posted July 15, 2019 12:30 AM            

I was reading a thread elsewhere that was asking why Saturn is a ruler of Aquarius (my ASC). I was surprised no one brought up the fact that Saturn is misunderstood, which to me is the whole Aquarius schtick. This thread also made me ponder the stereotype of Saturn. "Saturn sucks." "Ugh Saturn I hate you. You're so cold and resistant to change. I wish a black hole would suck you out of the solar system!" "OMG my Saturn Return is coming, sis. What am I gonna do? *crying emoji*" Saturn's "oppression" never leaves you, true, and you will definitely feel it. However, it's not oppression at all. My guy Saturn is just trying to help you realize what you NEED to realize. Hard pills and whatnot. A lot of y'all are too hard on Saturnbro. Saturn means VERY well and delivers, if you give him the chance to.

posted July 15, 2019 02:02 PM            

I always preferred being more like Saturn in my childhood. Growing up, my brother always seemed to get more of the stereotypical Jupiter "luck" so I wanted to develop the skills to not even need luck to be successful. As things got harder, my ability to function normally decreased and the hardship was getting to me when I was learning about Saturn and the other planets. Around the end of Saturn transiting through my 1st house, my personal identity was more stable and defined and I feel like my stare is more intense than it used to be.

I'm not sure I hate any planet anymore. I try to understand what each transit is about and not expect extremes. Not all transits are easy, but the hardships and struggles Saturn tend to bring are worth it. It pays off in the end if you work with Saturn instead of against it. This is why having Saturn in 3rd house doesn't bother me. In the end, this placement could be what contributes to my success as a writer.

posted July 15, 2019 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by mercmercy99:
Yay or nay?

I was reading a thread elsewhere that was asking why Saturn is a ruler of Aquarius (my ASC). I was surprised no one brought up the fact that Saturn is misunderstood, which to me is the whole Aquarius schtick. This thread also made me ponder the stereotype of Saturn. "Saturn sucks." "Ugh Saturn I hate you. You're so cold and resistant to change. I wish a black hole would suck you out of the solar system!" "OMG my Saturn Return is coming, sis. What am I gonna do? *crying emoji*" Saturn's "oppression" never leaves you, true, and you will definitely feel it. However, it's not oppression at all. My guy Saturn is just trying to help you realize what you NEED to realize. Hard pills and whatnot. A lot of y'all are too hard on Saturnbro. Saturn means VERY well and delivers, if you give him the chance to.

I liken Saturn to the spooky old guy neighbor in Home Alone. Kevin was scared sh!tless of that guy because he just LOOKED scary. Then when Kevin finally got to know him, they became friends.

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posted July 18, 2019 05:04 PM            

I've noticed that many mistake realism for pessimism, and will even say, for example, that Sag is "weak" for remaining positive rather than constantly whining about how bad it is despite that it takes strength to maintain a positive attitude when things get bad. It's not pessimists who gets stuff done, it's the optimists.

Another misconception I've come across frequently is that optimism requires gullibility. BS! Heck, I consider myself cynical but also recognize the great potential that exists in us all. I don't ever expect perfection, but what would be the point of that anyway? The path is far more important than the goal.

I do a lot of volunteer work. Because it's needed. If I really believed in God or the Lords of Karma or the Law of Attraction as popularly explained then I wouldn't, because what would be the point? I would instead think it's being taken care of and everything is as it's supposed to be which I can't really change as a result. (As it is I believe that people who says "I will pray for them" and do nothing else, and also those who tweet about it passionately but never leave their chair to do anything, especially if it's condemning something trivial like someone dressing as a hobo for Halloween but refusing to volunteer at a homeless shelter, are just trying to make themselves feel better for doing nothing.)

But as I DON'T believe in a just universe, then it's necessary. (I once stood guard over a little boy--a child myself, though older than him--to keep him safe as best I could because I did NOT believe as he did that God would protect him, but if you want to say that made me an angelic instrument of God even though I'm not much of a believer, then feel free. ) And I've seen people overcome their circumstances with a little help, just as I have myself, and I've seen many other reasons for optimism. I believe I can make a difference, and so I do, but I do NOT think the world is a fair place, and it's because I believe it's harsh that action is important, which pessimism would prevent.

And by overcoming fears and hardships we become stronger. Thanks to Saturn. That is growth, and if there is a purpose to our existence beyond some sheer accident of chance, then I'd say that's what it's about, growth, and we won't grow if we're comfortable, a child constantly sheltered by a loving universe that wouldn't let anything bad happen to us.

I was just saying to someone earlier today that I regret not getting to spend more time with my grandmother before she died, and that I think I know how I could've gotten to live with her as a child had I done something different. And yet if I had, as wonderful as it would've been (but there would still be tests and trials to overcome thanks to Saturn), I would not have gained the strength I have today (if maybe a little madness, though I can't help but think we're all a little mad here, at least we surely can't see reality clearly). I also would not have protected that boy and who knows what may have happened to him? And I very likely would not have been making the positive differences I've had elsewhere as my experiences showed me the importance of action, and yet it takes optimism, not pessimism, to carry on.

posted July 18, 2019 06:45 PM            

Saturn is an easy target and he's big enough and ugly enough to take it.

Really though, I call him the personal trainer. He yells and screams and makes life hard if you resist growth.

If you're in track he'll give you a gruff nod and let you on your way.

I have Venus square Saturn natally and yep my lovelife hasn't really worked well in the last. Because I was repeating the same painful patterns and ignoring the red flags.

posted July 18, 2019 07:35 PM            

i know in my country when you are like 7 you helping your mom cook meals, serve guests, clean, if ur living on a farm u probably have a whole bunch of responsibilities...

i didn't grow up there tho, so i wonder how people in more 'maturer' or at least 'saturnien' or conservative countries handle saturn...does it break them, do they just accept it, or does it possibly manifest positivly for them