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ParallelToucan
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posted July 16, 2019 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know what it is, but ever since I have moved from being a child and have grown into adolescence I developed a major problem with communication as well as being in the spot light. I have always been able to focus when I put my mind to things, but when it comes to talking with a large group of people, being put in a "spotlight," or just simply being comfortable in my own skin around other people; I have always had a problem since growing up. This isn't some early phase either, I'm 29 years old, and it is still a problem within my life. I don't know what it is, but I can't have an out of body experience, so I don't really know how to outline the problem at all. People around me tell me that they don't see any problem at all, so maybe it's just within my head? I don't know what to think though, but I do know that I don't like to fail at anything that I do, including having a conversation with people. Is there some kind of weird, intrinsic, meshed energies within my chart that are causing some kind of strange energies, mindsets within my mind? Why have I always struggled or felt like I have struggled when it comes to communication? Is it because I don't like communicating or something? I know that I love people, but for some reason I'm always uncomfortable when it comes to socializing. I consider myself a normal person, but I feel like I have to gear up to go into battle every time anything to do with socializing with other people becomes a possibility. Am I not intelligent enough to understand or grasp how to have a conversation with people or be comfortable in my own skin? Seriously, what's the deal? I can't surely be that unintelligent. I did learn English in school and I know the English language. I have sought out help in the past over the internet because I had I suppose what people deem as "social anxiety disorder." Which to me is just a name, just like any other "problem." I don't believe in most mental disorders but that's for another discussion, it doesn't matter, the problem is that I don't like to be afraid of anything, and that includes people. I'd like to take care of this issue once and for all. I don't want to be afraid of anything any longer and I'd like to outline the problem so I can see it up in front of me and destroy it once and for all.

Sorry about all of the compound conjunctions in sentences or whatever it is called. Grammar ****** me off a lot of times. My goal is to get my point across and hopefully I have done that. I also don't need some kind of psycho Virgo energy analyzing every single spec or spot on the used car lot either. I'm just looking for someone tell me how to defeat this problem once in for all. I'm sick and tired of having awkward family get togethers. I have tried to walk off into other rooms, take deep breaths, and really collect myself as a person, but for some reason the spot light always seems to get drawn to me somehow and I never know how to tackle/handle it in a good way. I don't like to be in the spot light, so if going to social gatherings always produces some kind of "putting me in the spotlight" type of situation then I think I'd rather just **** em out of existence entirely because I'm getting tired of this nonsense. I've even thought about just showing up for a few minutes during holidays, just to say "Hey, how's it going?" and then leave by saying, "I just wanted to say hi to everyone" and then leave. Of course though, every time I want to be honest it just creates an awkward moment/atmosphere. So I always feel guilty in leaving and end up staying because I don't want anyone to feel out of place.

Anyways, with all of these mumbo jumbo, useless, incoherent rambling on my part, is there some kind of fuckery going on within my chart that's causing all of this psychotic mess within my brain?

Thanks.

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ScandinavianCrab
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posted July 16, 2019 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScandinavianCrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes there is a way.

Start practicing meditation or yoga.

You will learn to aknowledge the specific thoughts that make you feel thoose things that youre describing.

When you have practice a while you will learn to do what ever you want with that anxiety - experience it or just let it go.

It aint easy and you wont get there from just a few days of practicing.
Look around your area and find a class or a retreat that will set you off.

If you want you can be the master of your own fate. But it will take some hard work in the beginning and only you can decide if its worth it.

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ParallelToucan
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posted July 16, 2019 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
Yes there is a way.

Start practicing meditation or yoga.

You will learn to aknowledge the specific thoughts that make you feel thoose things that youre describing.

When you have practice a while you will learn to do what ever you want with that anxiety - experience it or just let it go.

It aint easy and you wont get there from just a few days of practicing.
Look around your area and find a class or a retreat that will set you off.

If you want you can be the master of your own faith. But it will take some hard work in the beginning and only you can decide if its worth it.


Thanks for the help but I think it'd be best for someone to pinpoint the problem within my chart. Don't have time for a class anyways, got too much going on in my life at the moment.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted July 16, 2019 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm.. I smell 12th house progressions or Neptune transits. Post your chart.

I actually agree with the yoga advice. When you centre yourself, eveything starts from there. And you don't need a class, you can try to do it on your own in the morning. 10 minutes in breathing exercises each day.

The result will not be that you suddenly become extroverted. But you will be better able to pin point bottleneck areas.

My social anxiety was at its peak in 96/97 and started to lift slowly after that. At the time, transit Neptune was squaring Pluto in the 7th. I assumed that it was just growing pains.

I felt more awkward and out of place.It was very strange. I couldn't explain it either and add to that, I also felt that the spotlight was on me most times.

What helped tbh was focusing on things that I was good at and that created more great feelings.

I participated in long distance running as that is where I felt confident. I only focused on things I was good at i.e drama, athletics and school-work. I tried to steer clear of situations or people that made me feel uncomfortable.

I have to admit however that extended family members visiting and thereby coming into the personal spacee etc. didn't help matters.

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ParallelToucan
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posted July 16, 2019 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hmmm.. I smell 12th house progressions or Neptune transits. Post your chart.

I actually agree with the yoga advice. When you centre yourself, eveything starts from there. And you don't need a class, you can try to do it on your own in the morning. 10 minutes in breathing exercises each day.

The result will not be that you suddenly become extroverted. But you will be better able to pin point bottleneck areas.

My social anxiety was at its peak in 96/97 and started to lift slowly after that. At the time, transit Neptune was squaring Pluto in the 7th. I assumed that it was just growing pains.

I felt more awkward and out of place.It was very strange. I couldn't explain it either and add to that, I also felt that the spotlight was on me most times.

What helped tbh was focusing on things that I was good at and that created more great feelings.

I participated in long distance running as that is where I felt confident. I only focused on things I was good at i.e drama, athletics and school-work. I tried to steer clear of situations or people that made me feel uncomfortable.

I have to admit however that extended family members visiting and thereby coming into the personal spacee etc. didn't help matters.



Lol, my bad. It completely crossed my mind that I didn't even post my chart as I was too engaged in getting my message across proficiently. Sorry about that.

Here is my chart below.
http://imgur.com/r4FDyLN

Thanks. http://imgur.com/r4FDyLN

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Dumuzi
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posted July 16, 2019 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm gonna be real with you, i skimmed through that, but you're talking about issues with communication and language yeah?

i'd blame your 3rd house

i have neptune and uranus there and i can trail off and have issues with being clear and all that **** , get distracted midsentence and whatnot

and in your case you have saturn there too, which makes communication that much more difficult for you usually post saturn return saturn **** is supposed to get better

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ParallelToucan
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posted July 16, 2019 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i'm gonna be real with you, i skimmed through that, but you're talking about issues with communication and language yeah?

i'd blame your 3rd house

i have neptune and uranus there and i can trail off and have issues with being clear and all that **** , get distracted midsentence and whatnot

and in your case you have saturn there too, which makes communication that much more difficult for you usually post saturn return saturn **** is supposed to get better


Ok, so what do I do about it then? If a person gives 1000% and still fails, what's the alternative? Give 2000%? I feel like someone is constantly shooting a laser beam into my mind when it comes to socializing with others and I feel like people can pick up on it too and read me like a book all thanks to my damn Sun in the 8th house. Maybe that's why I hate being in the spotlight so much. The Sun is basically illuminating the house of Scorpio when Scorpio typically likes to stay hidden. Am I correct on this evaluation?

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posted July 16, 2019 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ParallelToucan:
Ok, so what do I do about it then? If a person gives 1000% and still fails, what's the alternative? Give 2000%? I feel like someone is constantly shooting a laser beam into my mind when it comes to socializing with others and I feel like people can pick up on it too and read me like a book all thanks to my damn Sun in the 8th house. Maybe that's why I hate being in the spotlight so much. The Sun is basically illuminating the house of Scorpio when Scorpio typically likes to stay hidden. Am I correct on this evaluation?

if you give 1000% and you fail, then you try a new tactic because whatever you put 1000% of yourself into didn't work

sometimes more effort in the same direction does **** all and then you're beating a dead horse with 2000% of your energy

it's possible to try too hard, and saturn in the 3rd can sometimes do that in an effort to be exact you go too hard and still end up in the wrong place

relax and it might flow a little easier

i think people being able to read you well is more an aries moon thing, i have one too

when i feel something i can't hide it because it's intensely there and it's a knee jerk reaction for me to immediately react, which isn't bad really because it means that i'm being genuine, but i guess if i was into hiding **** for whatever reason (which you being an 8th house sun, scorpio ascendant might make you more inclined to do) i wouldn't care for it

the sun doesn't quite light up the 8th house in that way, in vedic in particular the 8th house is a bit like the 12th in that it's considered a bit of a loss to have a placement there

goes below the depths instead of being on the surface

edit: btw i'd equate the discomfort to your sun-moon square

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posted July 16, 2019 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having Uranus and Neptune in the 3rd house could mean you can develop extraordinary, inspirational communication. Having Saturn there may tell it may take time and patience.
By the way, the sun in a water house is not easily read by others. People with suns in these houses (4, 8 & 12) are harder to get to know. So, even if you feel anxious, it could be others are not guessing that...
Maybe you have trouble communicating because you feel inwardly different (Uranus), even if this feeling is unconscious. I understand you feel like at 29 you have to already tackle this issue. My idea is that you see a hypnotherapist who can help you discover what is in the root of your fear, and help release your inner abilities. I've heard hypnosis can do wonders.

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posted July 17, 2019 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the help, I streamed with some friends tonight. I think it helped a bit. I'm about to watch the video to see how I appear.

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posted July 17, 2019 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
if you give 1000% and you fail, then you try a new tactic because whatever you put 1000% of yourself into didn't work

sometimes more effort in the same direction does **** all and then you're beating a dead horse with 2000% of your energy

it's possible to try too hard, and saturn in the 3rd can sometimes do that in an effort to be exact you go too hard and still end up in the wrong place

relax and it might flow a little easier

i think people being able to read you well is more an aries moon thing, i have one too

when i feel something i can't hide it because it's intensely there and it's a knee jerk reaction for me to immediately react, which isn't bad really because it means that i'm being genuine, but i guess if i was into hiding **** for whatever reason (which you being an 8th house sun, scorpio ascendant might make you more inclined to do) i wouldn't care for it

the sun doesn't quite light up the 8th house in that way, in vedic in particular the 8th house is a bit like the 12th in that it's considered a bit of a loss to have a placement there

goes below the depths instead of being on the surface

edit: btw i'd equate the discomfort to your sun-moon square


I have no idea what a "Sun-moon square" is.

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posted July 17, 2019 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ParallelToucan:
I have no idea what a "Sun-moon square" is.

it means your sun and moon are roughly 90 degrees apart, creates an aspect called a square which is considered a hard aspect (it's that red line between your sun and moon in the chart, and on the grid well...it's that square; all those lines and **** show the relationship between those parts of yourself) because it creates tension between those two parts of yourself in a way that doesn't quite have any balance

your discomfort at being easily read comes from your self (sun) being at odds with the way your emotions (moon) are displayed, 8th house sun, mercury and scorpio ascendant all giving you a need for secrecy though i don't know any geminis who like all their **** to be on display either

aries moon though is like i said not the best at hiding immediate feelings

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posted July 17, 2019 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone with Saturn 3H and this person is IMPOSSIBLE to talk to, unless it’s somewhere between baby language and grown up language. Really uncomfortable speaking with other people. Won’t look in the eyes. Will say something really quietly and then when asked to repeat, will just simply say “nothing”.

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posted July 17, 2019 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
I know someone with Saturn 3H and this person is IMPOSSIBLE to talk to, unless it’s somewhere between baby language and grown up language. Really uncomfortable speaking with other people. Won’t look in the eyes. Will say something really quietly and then when asked to repeat, will just simply say “nothing”.

Honestly don't blame that person. I hate talking to people. I wish people could just understand everything without having to speak. Life would be so much more enjoyable. I don't like small talk is my thing. I don't generally like to sit around and talk about random subjects, which is basically what social gatherings usually consist of and it can be pretty damn annoying I'm not going to lie. The problem is that we feel that there is no point or no substance to it. It's like people have to talk just for the sheer fact that they're afraid if talking doesn't happen. I'm just being honest here. Especially at work, just keep it work related, let me do my job. Tell me what needs to be done so I can go home already. What you need to understand I guess about people like us is that we're doing this against our will. We only do it because we feel like we have to and you have to "talk" or "communicate" in order to communicate "stuff." Like me for example, I can't stand the sound of my own voice. I'd rather just people think that I'm kind of the cool, calm, collected, and silent type that talks when spoken to.

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posted July 17, 2019 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Due to poor eyesight, I cannot see the chart clearly - so please state whether or not the Signs of Gemini and Sagittarius are intercepted, and if those of Scorpio and Taurus are each on the cusp of two houses.

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posted July 17, 2019 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:

Due to poor eyesight, I cannot see the chart clearly - so please state whether or not the Signs of Gemini and Sagittarius are intercepted, and if those of Scorpio and Taurus are each on the cusp of two houses.

It allows you to zoom in, but I'm not sure what you're talking about as far as the aspects are concerned. Sorry.

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posted July 18, 2019 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Originally posted by ParallelToucan:
It allows you to zoom in, but I'm not sure what you're talking about as far as the aspects are concerned. Sorry.

When zoomed in, I still cannot see whether your 8th house cusp is in Taurus or Gemini*. ... So, please state which of those two signs it is actually in.

(*If it is in Taurus, the signs of Gemini and Sagittarius are intercepted - and Taurus/Scorpio are each on the cusp of two houses. ... But, if in Gemini, that is not the case.)

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posted July 18, 2019 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Graham

not 100% so don't take my word for it but it looks like they're at 0 degrees gemini and 0 degrees sag

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posted July 18, 2019 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@Graham

not 100% so don't take my word for it but it looks like they're at 0 degrees gemini and 0 degrees sag


Thank you, Dumuzi.

If that is indeed the case, there are no interceptions or duplicated houses in PT's natal chart.

However, if that 8th house cusp is actually in Taurus, PT might find it helpful to read what is written about intercepted signs and houses at https://shenjiva.com/p15.4-5.23-13_singletons-and-intercepted-signs-and-houses.php and at http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Intercepted_signs.htm

My own theory about this - based upon the work of Joanne Wickenburg and Virginia Meyer - is that a (childhood conditioning) problem in PT's first and 7th houses will be creating an issue in the 2nd and 8th houses that is now preventing her from making the best/most effective use of the positive qualities of Gemini and Sagittarius (+ any natal planets located within them).

So ... one would need to look carefully at what happened during the childhood/adolescence of PT that influenced her self-image (1st house) and self-worth (2nd house) in a way that now prevents her from being comfortable when expressing her thoughts to others (Gemini, Sun, Mercury intercepted in 8th house of other people's values).

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