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Lalafortunaea
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posted July 27, 2019 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been thinking about this a bit, and was wondering if you all by chance have any experiences with this, or seen it happen.

I'm talking about like a drastic lifestyle change, a complete 180 that almost no one saw coming at all. Examples
that come to mind are some rags to riches stories.

And for reference, I think "The Princess Diaries" is also a nice example of this. A "nerdy nobody" who suddenly experiences a complete lifestyle makeover that is intense and the polar opposite of everything she knew, undergoing grueling experiences and habit changes to make a whole brand new person. It was all due to some fortuitous discovery.

I suppose IRL Megan Markle comes to mind. She was indeed already a famous actress - but then her whole life changed when she married a prince, and it was a pretty severe change, but, she did already experience fame so she wasn't exactly a stranger to such a lifestyle. But similar-ish enough to what I mean.

Mr. Andersone/Neo from the Matrix also comes to mind, if you've all seen the movie.


So, hopefully what I'm getting at is clear enough. So, what would you all say could potentially indicate such a drastic, massive lifestyle change?

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posted July 27, 2019 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have NN in 2nd in Vedic, and I have read about about it in its descriptions, basically rags to riches and riches to rags, not sure about frog to prince though lol, I think Saturnians turn into prince later or maybe some are born princes (ahemmm) but not quite sure about that honestly. Could have something to do with NN, atleast it does in Vedic, in Western, Pluto, and Uranus even, comes to mind, I ccan see certainly Mars going from Prince to frog, by doing something reckless like running though multiples glasses (not by accident even, Uranians would prolly do that, but not Mars), but ehh I THINk THE FAns of Mars would find even his scars sexy hehh loll.

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posted July 27, 2019 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't have swapped her previous lifestyle with what she currently is if I was Meghan though. Basically going from being a free bird to living in a golden cage with all the rest of the lovely little birds wearing golden suits, and once in a while every ************ in town comes to see u and wave their hands and pay you some "homage", but a free bird always longs for the sky, doesn't it? except some of the birds there who were born inside the cage I guess and have tasted a wee bit of sky sometimes .

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posted July 27, 2019 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto

If her Meghan Markle's Asc is indeed Cancer, she had Pluto transiting her 7th house when she married Harry.

The transit of Pluto in 7th is a life-perspective change(Pluto) typically brought on by some kind of partnership/contract/ friendship or marriage. The association lifts you up to prominence.

It could also mean an appearance before the public that is very significant(Pluto).

Jeremy Meeks had Pluto in Cap 11-13 square his Moon in Aries 11 -16 Deg (birthtime uncertain but I suspect Pisces Asc)when he became the "hot con" in 2014. And since then he went from relative obscurity to fame literally overnight.

Pluto changes things ABSOLUTELY & is (to me) a definitive "BEFORE" & "AFTER".

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posted July 27, 2019 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there's fixed stars that supposedly indicate **** like that, prominent regulus for example is a sudden rise to great heights

castor is another one, pretty sure pollux is too it's been a minute since i looked at fixed stars

i just remember those because i have sun conjunct regulus and my midheaven has castor and pollux conjunct (it's between them, it's also conjunct anubis and horus on either side which is interesting, another set of siblings and my ic has osiris conjunct)

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posted July 27, 2019 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Going by logic and a tiny bit of experience it's Pluto or Uranus transits.

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posted July 27, 2019 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter aspects with Pluto or Uranus, especially when paired with aspects of Moon to Mars, Pluto or other indicators of strong impulse drives.

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posted July 27, 2019 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Jupiter aspects with Pluto or Uranus, especially when paired with aspects of Moon to Mars, Pluto or other indicators of strong impulse drives.


You mean transit Jupiter?
I'm asking because I have Leo Venus conjunct Mars (1 orb) square natal Pluto in Scorpio (by 3 and 4 orbs). Also natal Jupiter in Leo square Pluto (3 orbs).
So when I had my Jupiter return T.Jupiter went through all of these and it was one of the most disappointing transits I had.
Generally Jupiter transits are very overrated. They usually bring nothing good and sometimes they bring some negative results.

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posted July 29, 2019 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 31, 2019 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sample charts

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Lifestyle_:_Financial_:_Rags_to_riches

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posted August 07, 2019 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 07, 2019 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’d agree with the above and say Pluto is a big factor in the “rags to riches” themes that I have seen and experienced.

Also feel like in some circumstances Saturn can also be a prominent influence, especially with the early beginnings being very difficult and lacking Materially/physically/emotionally, over time or I should specifically say by the Saturn return, that turn of direction really starts to show itself. So other planet factors I think need to be involved as well. Like Jupiter for luck and Uranus for those sudden and very brilliant flashes of insight and experiences

I’ve read a chart for someone I found to be very interesting and turned into a friend who is incredibly talented, I found her story to be super fascinating and seeing how it played out in her chart. She is a Capricorn, with her sun square Pluto/Saturn conjunction, with her moon conjunct mars in Pisces, cancer ASC, with parallels to her Uranus/Jupiter conjunction in sag 5H . Already it can be seen with her aspect patterns that her parents (sun/moon) and her upbringing/family ancestry emphases with her cancer asc/moon prominence is focal and with the planets involved, shows just how severe and harsh Pluto, Saturn and mars can be at its worst manifestation. She went through severe neglect and abuse as a child that almost sounds like it could come from a movie. She was kept caged with her siblings in unsanitary conditions, with boarded up windows and essentially hoarders. Her mother was seen as incredibly violent, dominating, competitive and just overall mean and self centered, the lowest form of mars, conjuncting her moon (mother, childhood) and 9H placement making her very independent and gone adventuring around so to speak. Fortunate relatives believed in her and would save her periodically, which I think shows with her Uranus/Jupiter 5H that ties into her placements positively and in parallel. It didn’t take until her Saturn return to really turn things around and not feel so lost with her Pisces MC and really embraced the artistic inspiration of Neptune and started her brand, which now is very successful and has an inspiring/cult following and impact on her community. Her creations have a lot of historical influence from her military ancestry (cancer ASC +moon/mars) and are timeless works of art. She is a great example imo of a chart going from “rags to riches”. She’s a very self aware individual, and to me an older soul who’s done a great job taking on an incredibly difficult karmic life early on and turned it around for herself in the most ideal way.

I have more examples of “rags to riches” charts but I’m not able to go into it as specifically due to unknown birth times. My mom and that side of the family very much have a story of struggle and a lot of violence and abuse, Scorpio/Pluto and Aries/mars are big time planet/sign patterns with most family members, especially most immediate. The typical Pluto themes of crime and the more taboo side of society is pretty obvious in my family and my entire upbringing considering I am also a mars/Plutonian, but despite all the adversity, my mom, and both of my uncles have done amazing for themselves, especially coming from Africa as immigrants and having nothing and using their passion, drive and talents to make their way to the top.
Both my mom and one of my uncles are Scorpios with Aries moons, my moms sun is conjunct Neptune and she has prominent Pluto/Uranus/mars conj her ascendant I think and My other uncle is Taurus with Aries moon, he has prominent Saturn, Jupiter and Uranus in his chart, he’s the hardest working person I know and keeps the entire family stable.

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posted August 07, 2019 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was an actress who was working class, growing up. A few years ago, she got engaged to a multi-millionaire, and was living the good life - partying on yachts, spending a different weekend in a new, beautiful place. Ten days over New Year's, on an island reserved for the insanely rich. You get the idea.

They split up the following year, and I think she dated another rich guy. Then started dating a man more like herself, at the end of the year. She also landed a hit TV show, got pregnant, and seems to be friendly with more "well to do" people, rich influencers, etc. She's happy with her baby and fiance.

She's a Scorpio with, I think, a Taurus Moon. I can't remember, it's been a few years since I checked it out.


Pluto may have been trine her moon, and it was square her Libra Venus at the time. Jupiter crossed it, too.
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Janet_Montgomery

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posted August 09, 2019 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kirki     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Id say jupiter pluto aspects too...giannis antetokounmpo,a basketball player has the conjuction...he was living here in Greece ,really poor, and now he earns millions.

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