posted August 05, 2019 06:05 PM            

You need to run away in time when you meet a psycho / narcissist / sociopath.

posted August 05, 2019 06:26 PM            

i don't know that she's necessarily a narcissist but she definitely had a lot in common with people who have cluster b personality disorders or it could've been comorbidity of other issues and such she would refuse to actually see anyone so there's no diagnosis

http://imgur.com/a/uIuw9NH

this is her chart though

a lot of tantrums, a lot of refusal take responsibility for things, a lot of self destructive behavior and outwardly destructive behavior as well just a **** ton of things really

extremely manipulative, roller coaster emotions, always right, issues with empathy, extremely selfish so on and so forth lots of fun ****

over the past couple of years she's gotten really bad ever since she had some health issue she refused to go to the doctor for (slight paralysis on one side of her face followed by drastic shift in personality and erratic behavior), but she always had severe issues it's just snowballed

posted August 05, 2019 11:21 PM            

Like if I meet the ****** he spends 5 hours talking about himself and after he has done and seen everything, then we actually get to the real convo. These days I just say "yeahh yeahhhh" when he is yakettyyaketting around and he noticed it finally last time . that said, he is pretty interesting tho, and I 90% of the time actually listen to his "talks".

My Taurus Moon bro also has Moon conjunct Nn but he aint that narcissistic( compared to me) SOooo Maybe its the aries moon thats responsible.

posted August 05, 2019 11:47 PM            

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psychopaths are more interesting tho I guess, but I also feel like it cant be pinned down in a chart or maybe thats just because we don't really wanna blame the chart for extra taboo **** much really. Perhaps it can be seen tho eh. I have a highly cold and airy chart in vedic, but I think I was born with compassion., but then again my chart in western can basically be called an ocean, my gemini moon likes to yo yo around it, perhaps that was neceassarry tho( the moon in air that is) just to save me a bit.

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opposite for me my vedic chart gives me no air aside from jupiter

12th house leo sun, 1st house virgo venus and ketu, 3rd house scorpio saturn, 4th house sag mars, 7th house pisces moon and rahu, 6th house aquarius jupiter, 11th house cancer mercury

my draconic chart is almost exactly the same as my vedic just off by 2 degrees, none of the signs change

posted August 05, 2019 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
There are shjt load of self-obsessed people these days tho, especially this obsession with one's image because of things such as facebook and such, so I don't know who really can be called a true narcissist tho.

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posted August 05, 2019 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
lack of empathy, delusions, extreme selfishness etc

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posted August 06, 2019 12:22 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I am yet to meet someone lacking empathy completely yet, unless we are talking about political creatures, but even they might possess it a bit, but I have seen people doing certain things "out of compassion" just to improve their image.

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i could introduce you to my ex then you can say you've met someone like that, no **** i've never heard anyone go on and on about how they didn't care about anyone else but themselves to such an extent (depending on her mood other times she'd insist she cared deeply, but behavior and words you know?)

as for the mars in cap thing, i have mixed feelings when it comes to relating to mars in cap

on one hand if i want something, or am in a position where i need something then it's mine and i don't care what it takes i'll get it

on the other i don't frequently give a **** about much and have very little drive

maybe all the intense transits i have going on will change how i feel, i'm not sure

posted August 06, 2019 01:43 AM            

i've always had a little trouble relating to my cap mars with tropical, the materialism aspect (i have second house saturn square sun though, Aries23Degrees thinks there will be a change at some point in my life with that given my chart) in particular

and when it comes to the lack of focus i feel like the vedic sag mars can make sense with that, just jumping around to different things then dropping them

i wouldn't call myself particularly ambitious, but if it comes down to it i'm capable of being ruthless it's just not my preference

i don't really care for crushing people, i just will if i have to but i don't know that i necessarily feel bad because i see it like "that's life" on some level if it comes down to it

if something gets me to that point though it's important

there's a point where even people who are listeners can't deal lol that's definitely her, she can go on and on about how bad she's had it but then if someone else has a problem she's the "well everyone has problems" type which is funny coming from someone who goes crazy over all of their own emotions

but she's also the sort who sort of props herself up on an invisible pedestal sometimes too where she thinks she's amazing and has all of this control over everyone and plots against people etc

she's heavy water even in vedic with a scorpio saturn, sun, mercury stellium (11th house)and a pisces moon/rahu (3rd house) her mars goes to aquarius with her jupiter (2nd) and her venus goes to libra (10th) with a 9th house virgo ketu and a cap ascendant

she actually has a kaal sarp yoga

do you have any aspects to your mars from something like your moon that would do that? make you feel bad for being ruthless? what would you attribute it to?

posted August 06, 2019 06:01 AM            

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Does anyone want to share the birth charts of people who they personally knew were narcissist/sociopaths/psychopaths

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hmmmmm see, I could give you the natal of a tortured young man I knew who identified as a manipulator and exhibited traits commonly associated with sociopathy such as rapid boredom, especially in relationships, superficial charm and attachments, big physical risk taker (car crashes, suicide attempt, heavy drug use... but when it comes to me, even though I hurt from aspects our relationship, it wasn't because he abused me. He did lie but mostly by omission and his manipulation attempts were gross, as if he wanted me to see them.
He was in pain and afraid, he fancied himself some cold calculating shark but really I think he was just a sensitive soul who didn't own to what he really wanted/needed. In the end his cowardice facing his own feelings and emotions and deliberate choice to be mean because he thought that was strong turned me off and as I have low self-esteem and felt he wasn't in love with me anyway, I naturally stopped responding when all of a sudden the charm and warmth were back.
I had to push extra hard, borderline hassle, for closure, but I ended up having it and I was walking away anyway. Given how young I was and my history abuse, I would think that considering how I felt about him, a true -path would have properly destroyed me.

My point is, unless you're asking therapists to share astrological charts, chances to see anything very relevant are pretty slim. We are in personal relationships with people, so what we bring to the table matters a lot, how we read them... not to mention no chart shows a pure psychopath, we're talking about personality disorders, some studied even say it's literally brain damage, a chart couldn't show a genetic malfunction nor could it predict the exact circumstances of someone's life. You can probably find charts for famous psychopaths but honestly I find that even Ted Bundy's quite underwhelming. I met a bloke once with a similar 4th house stellium and lots of Sag and Scorpio too including some Pluto aspects, he didn't feel like someone I could ever love but I liked him a lot and he was quite polarising in general, I don't think he'd be very good at being a socio/psychopath because he was too open to fool enough people to get away with a lot.
Besides, even Ted Bundy was known to have always acted under the influence and while the savagery of his crimes is proven, some of the darkest aspects like the necrophilia were never really proven and part of his confessions on the eve of his death. I think Ted Bundy is mostly fascinating for having literally made himself a legend; the most impressive aspects of his personality to me isn't the violence of his murders, but his stubbornness in pleading innocent and defending himself in court and offensively going for charm when it was obvious to all he was a monster. That way what part of the chart would link to his psychopathy the most? The violent impulse or some excessively sized dream of grandeur linked to no grasp on reality? Or does it have to be both? The parameters are multiple and it would take a really objective assessment to be able to associate the chart with the behaviour, so precisely not someone who knew the person, but someone having access to such knowledge while not being personally affected themselves.

People say Capricorn moon hard aspect to Saturn indicates cold and I have that and while I'm done loving when I am done, I also take ages to be done because I love so deeply and so wholly.

People say Ted Bundy's hard Venus Pluto aspect is key... I think it shows tensions in expressing emotions, but it doesn't make the emotions absent or good or bad, it just means that the expression is afflicted.
I guess Jupiter aspects would be closer in terms of they could show some resistance to good omens and fortune, someone crafting their own demise which is very often the case for such criminals as regardless of what they believe their murders to be about, I don't think I've ever heard of a serial who went "I'll just kill and not even try to escape justice".
Like this law professor who self-diagnosed as a psychopath and published her book anonymously then went on tv with a wig, the next day her real identity was all over the internet, people had crossed reference her jaw bone structure with the ID picture of the university she taught at, plus the biographical elements from her book and a whole chunk of the psychology community said everything she said, including so-called evidence of her sociopathy were matter for a clear diagnosis of a narcissist, not a sociopath. She lost her teaching position. She expressed such pride in hiding in plain sight and having such a strong social cover and there she was: outed and it was all her doing, but boy did she get attention.

Ultimately the difference between a psychopath and potentially anyone of us is action. Charts may show you a likeliness that people would feel intensely enough to be blinded by their own emotions and be too selfish for it, or that they would really struggle expressing them or even have a tendency to reject them, but only life circumstances can make the emotions appear in the first place, if someone is never exposed to love they may never find out how they react to it.

posted August 06, 2019 07:31 AM            

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@anonymidarkness

i've always had a little trouble relating to my cap mars with tropical, the materialism aspect (i have second house saturn square sun though, Aries23Degrees thinks there will be a change at some point in my life with that given my chart) in particular

and when it comes to the lack of focus i feel like the vedic sag mars can make sense with that, just jumping around to different things then dropping them

i wouldn't call myself particularly ambitious, but if it comes down to it i'm capable of being ruthless it's just not my preference

i don't really care for crushing people, i just will if i have to but i don't know that i necessarily feel bad because i see it like "that's life" on some level if it comes down to it

if something gets me to that point though it's important

there's a point where even people who are listeners can't deal lol that's definitely her, she can go on and on about how bad she's had it but then if someone else has a problem she's the "well everyone has problems" type which is funny coming from someone who goes crazy over all of their own emotions

but she's also the sort who sort of props herself up on an invisible pedestal sometimes too where she thinks she's amazing and has all of this control over everyone and plots against people etc

she's heavy water even in vedic with a scorpio saturn, sun, mercury stellium (11th house)and a pisces moon/rahu (3rd house) her mars goes to aquarius with her jupiter (2nd) and her venus goes to libra (10th) with a 9th house virgo ketu and a cap ascendant

she actually has a kaal sarp yoga

do you have any aspects to your mars from something like your moon that would do that? make you feel bad for being ruthless? what would you attribute it to?

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I don't feel bad for being ruthless, its more of how they feel I'd say and I can feel how they feel, especially if the person is close to me, for example your friend playing from opponent's team, and you literally crush his esteem downright to pieces, if he takes it seriously that is, and most people do I guess.

I do have Mars trine Moon, I feel it makes it feel comfortable when shlt gets downright aggressive and chaotic, I love fighting, Mars in 4th lol.

I for one in particular can relate to vedic navamsa when it comes to my techniques for meditation, its kundalini-related and I consider Rahu's nature resembling that of Kundalini energy in particular, and I have Mars and Rahu together in navamsa in Vedic, with Mars also being the atmakaraka planet( and I read somewhere the nature of the planet that rules atmakaraka might determine which kind of spiritual practices fit you) and it fits me very well in my experience.

posted August 06, 2019 08:29 AM            

From what I have googled, a sociopath is less severe than a psychopath.

A sociopath may feel no empathy for strangers for instance.But is able to form close bonds or relations with others. Many times not aware of how their actions negatively impact their relations because they respond impulsively or act without due consideration of their impact..

Sociopaths can be counseled to reduce their anti-social behavior by having them acknowledge intrinsically how their actions will affect others.

A sociopath may for instance kill students at a school in a fit of rage and then act "indifferent" on the surface. The result is that they'll be termed "cold"/ "monstrous' An example of this being that guy who shot people in a theatre during the premier of "The Dark Knight".

A psychopath on the other hand "mimics" socially acceptable behavior but does not necessarily integrate that behavior as part of their default psyche. Its all a mask or pretension.

Psychopaths don't form deep bonds, have superficial charm and are not outside of using people for their own ends. The brain dissociates empathetic feelings between them and others.

This whether it be bonds with family, friendship, love or humanity. They can put a "performancee" that is very convincing. But do not really feel much remorse or pain for causing another grief.

A psychopath can cry very convincingly for instance to having "accidentally" killed their mother for instance.But in the same breath, the grief does not enjoy longevity and is not sustained beyond an "audience".

The emotions tend to not be deep,they are "conjured" up. Actors tend to display psychopathic traits for instance when acting. Because acting is what psychopaths do BEST.

It is very hard(if not impossible) to rehabilitate a psychopatht back into society. Typically there is an essential physical neurological connection that is missing.

Allegedly 93% of people in prison are "psychopaths". I don't agree with that as I think there are more socoipaths(people frustrated by interpersonal and social relations) than psychopaths. These are termed "violent criminals"

Psychopaths imo are not easily found as they evade capture due to displaying socially "desirable" traits ie. charm, kindness, sophistication etc. Most are actually quite good-looking.