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mercmercy99
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posted August 07, 2019 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercmercy99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering what you guys think about this. Are you someone who lets astrology dictate all the happenings in your life, or are you more like me in that you treat astrology as nothing more than fun pop psychology mixed with a bit of mythology and geometry and sugar and spice and everything nice and whatnot and whatever? Do you see it as a significant spiritual outlet that plays a big part in your life and how you handle it?

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posted August 07, 2019 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good questions. Astrology as an obsession is just as unhealthy as any other obsession. Astrology as a belief system is just as prone to mis-belief as any other set of beliefs.

It is most helpful to approach it as a way of learning that can extend personal growth beyond personality, beyond the bookends of birth and death. It is most helpful to open the mind wider than transient concerns with luck and money or mere career and love life.

We are all in a process of experience and development that can be informed by astrology as we need it, but there are many people who live their daily lives and lifetimes without it and life goes on. They still love, grow, and develop without it.

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posted August 07, 2019 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I stopped paying attention to astrology for a long time, because everything sounded like a nightmare, and I was already dealing with enough.

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posted August 07, 2019 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent question.

I grew up with it as a family member was an astrologer during my childhood so it was given to me as religion is to some I guess.
I never really questioned the core of it, it feels as real to me as trees or writing (don't know if that makes sense) and growing up it was always a source of comfort, the symbols, the stories, they reassured me because they evoked in me a sense of fairness, of wholeness, a world of balanced grey.

I was taught that it was an analytical tool and that you were supposed to take anything from it that made you tick, whether in a good or bad way and use that for self examination and personal growth. That it was a map to help you, but only you could make the path.

I would tend to say, this is healthy and good and how I see it and "use" it (I'm really not advanced, I'd say the superficial level of my knowledge reflects the weight I grant it on my life. As for decision making, I'd say it weighs close to zero, outside real life things usually weighing more, for example I choose jobs more based on my chronic illness allows me to do than on pleasing my mars sign).

That said, the astrologer who raised me was a traditionalist and believed charts over people.

As far as my subjective perception goes, she was someone I admired and loved deeply but also led me to an abusive relationship within our family, now we've lost touch.

I've recently asked for opinions on a synastry/composite/natals here about someone who managed to get my romantic attention (something that rarely happens with me)and I was painted one of the darkest pictures ever. It started with "great attraction but darkness and a cold aspect underneath" and now we're at I'm an abuse victim who cannot recognise abuse in relationships and the description of his natal looks like the DSM IV for sociopath.

In a nutshell, I don't believe astrology is complete. I believe nature AND nurture, I believe unpredictable life events, contexts, social environment.... AND astrological charts can help explain a person but won't capture their essence unless they put themselves in a position to be summed up by only one of their circumstances.
Yet, that reading affects me and I couldn't tell you if it's because deep down inside I believe in astrology way more than I realise, or because I lack confidence and tend to believe negative things other people tell me about me (especially if they have an expertise to show up for) more than anything else.

I have no idea if that answers your question, I'm sorry

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posted August 07, 2019 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see astrology as a tool of self-discovery. I'm really not interested in the more predeterministic or fatalistic aspects of it. Nor do I treat it as a tool to tell me about why other people are as they are or do as they do.

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posted August 08, 2019 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nadja:
I see astrology as a tool of self-discovery. I'm really not interested in the more predeterministic or fatalistic aspects of it. Nor do I treat it as a tool to tell me about why other people are as they are or do as they do.

Every sentence you said, but the opposite - for me. I don't need it for self discovery, I use it to help me understand others, and I am interested in end-results/want to know the future so look to it as a divinatory tool.

I'm not putting you (the 'general you', not YOU, NADJA) down if you don't use it for divination, just answering the title question.

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Graham
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posted August 08, 2019 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Astrology is a useful tool for identifying (and understanding) one's own behavioural traits, and for assisting others that choose/desire to identify their own behavioural traits.

However ... for those who can recognise (and make effective use of) valid feedback from others, astrology just provides a tool that is "surplus to requirements".

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posted August 08, 2019 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nadja:
I see astrology as a tool of self-discovery. I'm really not interested in the more predeterministic or fatalistic aspects of it. Nor do I treat it as a tool to tell me about why other people are as they are or do as they do.

I see it as the same. And a healthy level of skepticism about it can be good I think, especially when it comes to readings and such.

Honestly though, I see it as a sort of a map, one that CAN show where I want to reach and how I can get there, but one has to walk, maps are only good for showing the way, nothing more, nothing less, One has to Bloody Walk!!!.

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posted August 08, 2019 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I see it as the same. And a healthy level of skepticism about it can be good I think, especially when it comes to readings and such.

Honestly though, I see it as a sort of a map, one that CAN show where I want to reach and how I can get there, but one has to walk, maps are only good for showing the way, nothing more, nothing less, One has to Bloody Walk!!!.


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posted August 08, 2019 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nadja:
I see astrology as a tool of self-discovery. I'm really not interested in the more predeterministic or fatalistic aspects of it. Nor do I treat it as a tool to tell me about why other people are as they are or do as they do.

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posted August 13, 2019 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 13, 2019 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sleepthan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see astrology as a personal and interpersonal tool for discovery and development... More than people taking it too seriously I get annoyed when people take it too literally... Most annoying questions ever are like "omgg am I going to die"; "how much money will I make/will I get a huge inheritance"; "saturn is in my 7th house so am I going to be FOREVER ALONE/when will I meet my HUSBAND"; "I lost my car keys where are they based on my transits"...I'm so sorry but even if it is 100% accurate, astrology can't tell you any of those things. Lol.

Astrology can be detrimental when people take it too literally and seriously... Like if you meet someone, then the next day do a synastry chart you read as being unfavorable. So just from that, you decide not to be friends.
Using astrology, you can make assumptions about others...or sell yourself short.

Astrology cannot predict the future...it only shows feelings and energies that influence us. You can't change some things like who you are (even if you can grow and develop), but ultimately you control your own life. It's just that some people don't want to have that power.

It also annoys me when people classify certain placements, transits, etc. as "good" or "bad". The whole point of astrology (at least to me) is that nothing and nobody is better or worse than anything or anybody else. Just different. I like astrology because it shows how all people and things in the universe are different but each has their place and purpose. I think if you use astrology well, it can help you to understand other people.

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posted August 14, 2019 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sleepthan:
I see astrology as a personal and interpersonal tool for discovery and development... More than people taking it too seriously I get annoyed when people take it too literally... Most annoying questions ever are like "omgg am I going to die"; "how much money will I make/will I get a huge inheritance"; "saturn is in my 7th house so am I going to be FOREVER ALONE/when will I meet my HUSBAND"; "I lost my car keys where are they based on my transits"...I'm so sorry but even if it is 100% accurate, astrology can't tell you any of those things. Lol.

Astrology can be detrimental when people take it too literally and seriously... Like if you meet someone, then the next day do a synastry chart you read as being unfavorable. So just from that, you decide not to be friends.
Using astrology, you can make assumptions about others...or sell yourself short.

Astrology cannot predict the future...it only shows feelings and energies that influence us. You can't change some things like who you are (even if you can grow and develop), but ultimately you control your own life. It's just that some people don't want to have that power.

It also annoys me when people classify certain placements, transits, etc. as "good" or "bad". The whole point of astrology (at least to me) is that nothing and nobody is better or worse than anything or anybody else. Just different. I like astrology because it shows how all people and things in the universe are different but each has their place and purpose. I think if you use astrology well, it can help you to understand other people.



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posted August 14, 2019 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly, I do sometimes but I try not to it's hard though. Especially when it comes to synastry. When I see hard aspects with people in synastry I just assume it won't work. But there are people that I really like. And I don't care what the synastry says lol so it depends.

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posted August 15, 2019 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neither.

Having been using Astrology as a tool and map to reach a better perception and understanding, for guidance, all have been mostly accurate depending on our ability to learn and read, as well as the knowledge source we can access.

With all being quite accurate, I use it to see things better, but not to dictate what I ultimately choose to do with my life.
It is something that helps me see what is already there, just better. Like a map of symbols showing the inherent energies at play. Energies that already exists not because the chart says so. As above so bellow to me is more of showing what is already there than influencing what is there.

For example, my birth chart shows my inherent energy as a map of symbols. It helps me see myself better so I can find a way to improve myself.

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posted August 15, 2019 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neither.

Having been using Astrology as a tool and map to reach a better perception and understanding, for guidance, all have been mostly accurate depending on our ability to learn and read, as well as the knowledge source we can access.

With all being quite accurate, I use it to see things better, but not to dictate what I ultimately choose to do with my life.
It is something that helps me see what is already there, just better. Like a map of symbols showing the inherent energies at play. Energies that already exists not because the chart says so. As above so bellow to me is more of showing what is already there than influencing what is there.

For example, my birth chart shows my inherent energy as a map of symbols. It helps me see myself better so I can find a way to improve myself.

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posted August 15, 2019 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 15, 2019 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 19, 2019 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 20, 2019 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology for me is my life. Without it im nothing and can not live without its guidance and expertise. Its much better then any religion or belief because its universal truth. Its the one truth people who aren't qualified to know don't know.

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posted August 20, 2019 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Idk how recognition of results and following a formula that ultimately has potentials of increasing any investment is detrimental. To put it bluntly people use it for trivial things. Sounds like competence to me. If one does ise it to put oneself in a better postition financially, and it works, and your more productive with it, hows it an addiction, hinderance, or other wise negative... who really waits for transits before EVERY decision they make? This is an exaggeration and mcafee said anything in access is bad. The fact one needs anything outside ones self is bad, at the same time astrology is a pin point accurate tool to empowerment. The planets and their transits are concrete visible tangible occurnces and objects. Sorry but its not like tarot, religion or any other so metaphysical study.

Everytime the moon comes close enough to the earth the tide WILL change. When water reaches 100 degrees Celsius it WILL boil. Anytime saturn and pluto aspect eachother there WILL be major changes. Addiction and adherence to reality is called sanity.

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posted August 20, 2019 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People could use it to solve murders theres all sorts of different applications for it.

The rescssion hit as soon as pluto entered capricorn as well as pluto losing its STATUS as a planet by people who consider astrology superstition.. now with pluto exiting capricorn there debating changing it back to a planet.... idk whats else needs to be said.

By calculating the planets coordinates at the time of ones birth you can have an assessment of the habits the perosn person will develop as well as concrete solutions to any problems that may arise because of such habits, at the same time identifying the timeframes in which to carry out certain ventures.

Astrology gives the power straight to those who otherwise would lack the intuition of chrystal ball readers and the like. .

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posted August 20, 2019 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DRVM614K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The real conspiracy is when those who have the knowledge make it seem as though another is insane or has developed an addiction to such a thing that opens ones eyes as well as mind. The people who attempt to keep you sleep are those who are using it behind your back while asserting its irrelevance

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posted August 20, 2019 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DRVM614K:
The real conspiracy is when those who have the knowledge make it seem as though another is insane or has developed an addiction to such a thing the opens ones eyes as well as mind. The people who attempt to keep you sleep are those who are using it behind your back while asserting its irrelevance

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posted August 20, 2019 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Astrology for me is my life. Without it im nothing and can not live without its guidance and expertise. Its much better then any religion or belief because its universal truth. Its the one truth people who aren't qualified to know don't know.

I agree completely. I love God (His Name is Yahuah), but I dislike Christianity, and 95% of its associated (false) beliefs. People, who are not meant to comprehend, the precise details of the different aspects of Astrology, will not understand it. Resultant of their natal charts, their mind will not process its practical results and accuracy; irrespective of how much evidence one may present their eyes.

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