posted August 08, 2019 08:25 AM            

Its not that these people don't necessarily "like" kids per se. But there is such HUGE momentum when it comes to child rearing etc. that it takes very little for things to go awry or for the child to be given so many high expectations, that the fall is spectacular.

Either the parents are too overbearing ,become interrogative parents or their child seeks ABSOLUTE freedom from them i.e the child runs off with a girlfriend as a teenager or becomes a prostitute/ stripper etc. in order to escape the "clutches" of the parent.

There are BIG lessons to be learned in as far as kids are concerned. And many of those lessons very dark. Child rearing definitely is not all "flowers and candy" for these folks. Pluto in 5th can even die during child-birth or the child can experience a "near death" encounter.

Like you, my sister has Pluto in 5th(whole sign astrology) and the way she talks about kids is as if she wants to create a "super-human" i.e she wants to home school her child,then she wants her kid to go to a good school, give her child freedom to be as creative as they want to be, then she wants to impress upom the child how important it is to develop a talent, shield the child from the ills of the world on one end and then have the child learn martial arts to defend against attack on the other.The list is endless.

Pluto in 5th house people take parenting very seriously and I find it ironic that charts with Sun in Leo in square/conj/opp aspect to Pluto,Sun in 8th or even Pluto in Leo (Draco) connections suffer the loss of a parent either literally or figuratively(estrangement).

Aaron Hernandez is another example of this with Sun/Pluto conj(very imposing physique). And he suffered the loss of a very influential/domineering father early in his life. And it changed him irrevocably to a point of precipitating his death.

He was always looking for the same paternal figure his father was to him and then thought he found it in a group(Moon in Aqua) that undermined his path(square Sun) and derailed it permanently(Pluto square).

Its almost like the universe takes the Pluto individual away from the child (either literally or through a relationship severing)in order to allow the child to find who they really are OUTSIDE of the domineering eyes of the parent.

I think Sat/Cap in 5th/Virgo 5th is another one who isn't wild about kids. Or may limit the number of kids they have.Saturn aspecting the 5th house ruler may also do the same.

The ruler of my 5th house is the Sun(Leo).And for people who have Leo in 5th house, Sun in Leo or Sun in aspect to 5th house ruler etc. children are seen as "extensions" of them. So they have to consciously work at seeing children as separate individuals with own ambitions

Just like Pluto, these people have a potential of being either domineering parents or parents that serve to be mentors for their children.

In my case, I have thought of adoption. But I can't be sure. I suspect that since Neptune and Jupiter conjunct my Sun(ruler of 5th) in Sag, I may not be a great Dad in the literal sense of the word. But a better Uncle.

Either that or I will have kids in a foreign land(Jupiter), through unclear circumstances(Neptune) or very suddenly/unexpectedly(Uranus). Also likely that the kid/kids are bi-racial(Sag).

posted August 08, 2019 08:49 AM            

can cause a lot of issues with kids and whatnot

i usually find really bratty kids with behavioral issues amusing personally (i think the quiet shy ones are boring), and they generally like me so i've never had an issue with them

most of the time it's a matter of them being bored and understimulated

the other day i was out with my family and my niece (who's 4) was getting bored in a store, so she started acting out a bit because she was restless and all it took to calm her down was playing with her and a shopping cart running around

instant change in demeanor and after a little while of that she was better behaved for the rest of the time

as for the ones who are spoiled, that's a matter of their parents not the kids so much they're just trained to not only get what they want when they want it frequently but also that poor behavior makes their parents cave

that being said if you dont like kids unless theyre timid and quiet you probably shouldnt have any because thats not most of them (and it's honestly not at all the best for kids to even be timid)

your average kid will leave your side at least once to explore, they'll act out if they're bored or tired, they'll do **** you can't control or predict etc and so on that's just normal

even the best behaved kid is going to have a day where they're like that at some point

posted August 08, 2019 08:58 AM            

Aquarius 5th house, empty. Uranus in Sagittarius, videly conjunct Saturn (7 degrees).

posted August 08, 2019 09:19 AM            

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I've never wanted children or liked being around children. I've never even looked at babies and thought they were cute... Kids can be really cruel and nasty indeed, I've certainly seen that side of them. Not that every child is like that, but I don't even like children who are well behaved. I don't hate them or anything, but they just don't ever awaken any feelings of affection or fondness in me. I prefer puppies and kittens!

Aquarius 5th house, empty. Uranus in Sagittarius, videly conjunct Saturn (7 degrees).

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babies are ugly, i'm pretty sure people just generally lie about that and i actually really dislike infants because they make no sense, but once they're a bit older they can be cool

i have a 5th house aquarius cusp too with uranus in sag (i have saturn in sag too but they're far apart, my uranus is sextile my ascendant/venus/south node, trine my moon/descendant/north noode and trines my mercury, square jupiter, opposite chiron) but if you use placidus i also have my pisces jupiter 5th house

i don't know that i'd make a decent parent on any level, i have way too many drug issues and **** for that probably, but my ex fiancee and i used to entertain the idea sometimes and i like my niece

also helped my ex raise her siblings when they were younger and had to watch them and all their friends etc while their mother went off with different guys after their father died, they were older for most of that though

kids usually like me though, for whatever reason i've just had random kids run up to me in stores and **** like that too or during holidays and whatnot with extended family and friends their kids usually end up talking to me

posted August 08, 2019 03:31 PM            

And perhaps it helps me cringe a lot less over my own childhood (and childhood actions), which I remember so much of (and it's not always a good thing), to see that hey, I wasn't that bad off for the most part (though in retrospect I'm still amazed I survived). (That said, some who said I'd understand when I was older were right, and in some of those cases I think even less of them now than I did back then.)

Also, mind boggling stupidity and lack of impulse control in kids annoys me a lot less than the same in adults. Kids have a valid excuse (doesn't mean they shouldn't be corrected over it) and reasonable hope of growing out of it (as much as anyone does).

I have a soft spot for them and enjoy working with them for the most part (I've had moments though...), but I fully understand why they're not for everyone, and those who don't want children or be around them should not subject themselves to it, both for themselves and the children.

(And should also try to find REAL info on what pregnancy and child rearing is really like since most of the information fed to us is to manipulate us rather than helping us make informed decisions, and plenty out there rightly feel betrayed by how they were lied to, or feel guilty because they think it's "just them" when the numbers of those who regret it for very understandable reasons are legion but too ashamed to say so. That is not only bad for themselves, but also the innocents now in their care, no matter how much they might try to spare them that.)

posted August 08, 2019 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
Is the ruler of your 5H negatively aspecting the ruler of your 12H? I've heard that can make someone not fond of kids, or having the ruler of the 5H in the 12H (which I have) and I've never liked them either (except my own)

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I have ruler of 5th in 12th house and I’ve never wanted kids. Not that I’ve 100% ruled it out, but since I was young I knew I wasn’t going to have them.

I also have Uranus in 5th/6th cusp and an Aqua desc. Not a traditional thinker when it comes to marriage/kids.

posted August 08, 2019 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I don’t like the tantrums, the tears, the angst, the manipulations to get things etc etc.

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posted August 08, 2019 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I like the IDEA of children. I like the IDEA of the unconditional love. But what I’ve realized with age is that I don’t like the tantrums, the tears, the angst, the manipulations to get things etc etc. Basically, I don’t think I like the idea of helping children become good adults. I also HATE when I come across parents that somehow “live through” their kids or make their entire life about their kids. I quite literally become claustrophobic when I witness this!!
It may or may not have something to do with the fact that I was extremely self efficient as a child/teen and needed very little guidance from my parents.

I have a Cap Moon 5H op. sq Pluto

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posted August 08, 2019 07:35 PM            

I honestly feel more attachment to animals and they stir up deeper affection in me than kids. I don’t know why... Im way more bound to think an animal is cute than a kid... maybe I was an animal in my last life lol
Because animals tend to like me more than kids anyway
I just love animals 🙂

My plutos in the 9th house btw

posted August 08, 2019 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
I have ruler of 5th in 12th house and I’ve never wanted kids. Not that I’ve 100% ruled it out, but since I was young I knew I wasn’t going to have them.

I also have Uranus in 5th/6th cusp and an Aqua desc. Not a traditional thinker when it comes to marriage/kids.

Plus my Leo stellium I think makes me a bit selfish haha.

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I don’t think it’s selfish to not want kids. In fact I think it’s the opposite. You’re bringing in a person into this world withour knowing what kind of life they’ll have. I think about that often. I don’t want them to be unhappy in this awful world. I wouldnt want to bring them into it. It’s hard when I have these thoughts, I think I don’t want to be responsible for someone being unhappy. It’s scary to me. And people think that’s selfish but I feel it’s the opposite. Even if you don’t want kids for other reasons, even if you think it’s too much trouble.. I don’t think it’s selfish...

posted August 08, 2019 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I don’t think it’s selfish to not want kids. In fact I think it’s the opposite. You’re bringing in a person into this world withour knowing what kind of life they’ll have. I think about that often. I don’t want them to be unhappy in this awful world. I wouldnt want to bring them into it. It’s hard when I have these thoughts, I think I don’t want to be responsible for someone being unhappy. It’s scary to me. And people think that’s selfish but I feel it’s the opposite. Even if you don’t want kids for other reasons, even if you think it’s too much trouble.. I don’t think it’s selfish...

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posted August 08, 2019 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
I have ruler of 5th in 12th house and I’ve never wanted kids. Not that I’ve 100% ruled it out, but since I was young I knew I wasn’t going to have them.

I also have Uranus in 5th/6th cusp and an Aqua desc. Not a traditional thinker when it comes to marriage/kids.

Plus my Leo stellium I think makes me a bit selfish haha.

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posted August 08, 2019 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I never really wanted kids either. I had my 1st son at 24, then waited 8 years to have my 2nd lol. I like my kids but I don't like anyone else's lol.

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posted August 09, 2019 01:47 AM            

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I've never wanted children or liked being around children. I've never even looked at babies and thought they were cute... Kids can be really cruel and nasty indeed, I've certainly seen that side of them. Not that every child is like that, but I don't even like children who are well behaved. I don't hate them or anything, but they just don't ever awaken any feelings of affection or fondness in me. I prefer puppies and kittens!

Aquarius 5th house, empty. Uranus in Sagittarius, videly conjunct Saturn (7 degrees).

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I would look at that Sun/Sat opp as contributing factor.The Sun is the "go to" planet for one's attitude towards "little adults"

The Sun rules the solar 5th in the "natural" zodiac and governs Leo activities i.e authority figures,creative expression, children etc. together with the themes of that specific chart.

So when Sun is in aspect to Saturn or Pluto, it tends towards being serious when it comes to solar themes. One tends to not take them lightly.

Uranus/Jupiter prefer their kids to be independent very quickly. Whilst Neptune can be the parent who is very mysterious to their kids. Women with Neptune influencing the 5th house also may have paternity issues.

Either they didn't know they got pregnant and the father is nowhere to be found. Or they can't recall the father during the time of conception-especially if they were "generous" at that point in time.

Neptune/12th house is confusion and so it makes sense for the ruler of the 5th in 12th to signify "undoing" on one hand as the role of being a parent may have been something you imagine more than something real that is here in flesh and blood.So there is a sense of being overwhelmed by the experience.

On the other hand, it is can also indicate high ideals.Seeing the child in unrealistic ways and spoiling them to a point of allowing them to feel entitled to things etc.

When i hear people say "my child was my lifeline" or "I had to learn to live for my child" etc. i think of what a huge role the adult puts on the child. Seeing the child as "saviour"? My goodness.

And then I wonder what Neptune is doing in the chart of that native? Coz all that idealism is strongly Neptune centred.

Sun in Libra/Sun in 7th tend to also treat kids as "obstacles" in their lives. They may "outsource" child rearing responsibilities ecause they feel the child interferes too much with their own self expression or romantic endevors.

posted August 09, 2019 02:50 AM            

Saturn on either can limit "tolerance" reserves for dependency or affection. And chidlren tend to insist on both.

The result is that children feel they have to "earn" (Saturn) affection(Venus/Moon) through what the said parent deems as " appropriate" behavior etc.

posted August 09, 2019 11:06 AM            

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you just described my ex fiancee **** maybe i could deal with children

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posted August 09, 2019 01:03 PM            

I don't think Pluto ruling my 5th H and in the 5th H is enough by itself.
I have the whole package with Cap DSC conjunct Uranus, Neptune and NN.

Do you have Uranus/Neptune in 7th H too?

I don't want children myself I would choose to commit suicide anytime. If I was a man I would have children because I wouldn't have to do much and go through the disgusting (for me) phase of pregnacy, I would help once in a while and I would be a good dad.

I don't hate children I like some but once they stop being cute and fluffy I find them repulsive with few exceptions that are the mature ones.

I can't find an absolute answer to that but taking into consideration my mother and her relatives (heavy Aries/Aqua chart especially Moon) they suck as parents (they're violent at least orally) and all the 5th H Pluto with Uranus in 7th H people I know do not want children although it's not like they hate them.

Highly Uranian people are very indepedent and feel suffocated when someone depends one them. Imagine a child who's going to depend on you 24/7 for two decades.
Highly Martian people tend to be childish and selfish themselves lucking patient.

What I'm going to say may sound ugly but because of me being open about not wanting kids I have lots of women (both young and older ones) telling me that if they knew beforehand they would have never given birth to a child. I am mostly surprised by women in their late 50s, 60s and 70s for telling me smth like that.

Marriage and children are highly romantisized as an idea but their reality is quite ugly. At this point after so many things I've heard I don't know someone who didn't regret having children (of course they won't say it out loud to everyone)

Usually people who had to take care of others' children are the ones who don't want to have their owns.

I find selfish having kids because that's what society says, because you want to have someone to take care of you when you're older, because you want to have company or you're bored with your life/relationship and you believe a child is going to fix everything, because you're delyded and you have no idea howndifficult it is to raise a kid.

If you feel like you're not ready/good for that then you actually save a child.
So I personally don't find it selfish.

posted August 10, 2019 04:41 AM            

Before having my child I was neutral about kids. But somehow avoided them because I wonder if they’d start crying when looking at me and that’d feel embarassing! I’m not good with them and definitely not going awww when seeing them lol. Somehow I also didn’t find them cute, other babies from the animal kingdom are much cuter! Why are ours not like them??

Then my kid was born. He is my cutest baby, maybe it’s the hormones. But maybe it’s the Libra AC. XD
But geez, motherhood has been super hard. Sleep deprivation, loneliness, and repression and society expectations I never thought it existed. My relationship with my husband was also rocky. Transit Pluto, Saturn and Uranus haven’t been nice, and a few things showed what energy I’ve been feeling. I became someone I never thought I could be in the worst moments.

It changed how I see children thought. Mine is full of energy, maybe it’s the Vertex conjunct Mars! But I love his energy. His energy, stubborness to try out things and explore, curiosity... Then he is also sweet, his hugs and smiles...
I just don’t know how to describe. Maybe fellow parents knows. But he really is a miracle, that grew from one cell against all the odds of nature, and became this little individual.
I’m not the best mom. My child may eat a bit of junk food like potato fries, may watch youtube videos and so on. I may be tired and not so willing to have engaging, educative activities. I may also not know well how to educate as I grew up in an abusive environment and now have to relearn.
But I just want him to grow and have a chance to enjoy life, along with the better or the less good stuffs. He will be who he will be, that’s not mine to control. But I can at least be here to guide him whenever needed, until then or more.

Now maybe it’s the hormones, but childreen seem cuter to me. XD They are still so tiresome and I do like quiet times, but they are also amazing. My little child tires me and drains all my energy as I’m an introvert. But his little personality, it’s amazing to watch and appreciate. It’s a whole universe inside developing.

posted August 13, 2019 06:42 PM            

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Sun in Scorpio/Sun in 8th/Pluto ruling the 5th/Pluto in 5th/ Pluto in tight aspect with ruler of the 5th typically suffer some form of "darkness" when it comes to kids. The universe blesses them with very WILLFUL kids.

Its not that these people don't necessarily "like" kids per se. But there is such HUGE momentum when it comes to child rearing etc. that it takes very little for things to go awry or for the child to be given so many high expectations, that the fall is spectacular.

Either the parents are too overbearing ,become interrogative parents or their child seeks ABSOLUTE freedom from them i.e the child runs off with a girlfriend as a teenager or becomes a prostitute/ stripper etc. in order to escape the "clutches" of the parent.

There are BIG lessons to be learned in as far as kids are concerned. And many of those lessons very dark. Child rearing definitely is not all "flowers and candy" for these folks. Pluto in 5th can even die during child-birth or the child can experience a "near death" encounter.

Like you, my sister has Pluto in 5th(whole sign astrology) and the way she talks about kids is as if she wants to create a "super-human" i.e she wants to home school her child,then she wants her kid to go to a good school, give her child freedom to be as creative as they want to be, then she wants to impress upom the child how important it is to develop a talent, shield the child from the ills of the world on one end and then have the child learn martial arts to defend against attack on the other.The list is endless.

Pluto in 5th house people take parenting very seriously and I find it ironic that charts with Sun in Leo in square/conj/opp aspect to Pluto,Sun in 8th or even Pluto in Leo (Draco) connections suffer the loss of a parent either literally or figuratively(estrangement).

Aaron Hernandez is another example of this with Sun/Pluto conj(very imposing physique). And he suffered the loss of a very influential/domineering father early in his life. And it changed him irrevocably to a point of precipitating his death.

He was always looking for the same paternal figure his father was to him and then thought he found it in a group(Moon in Aqua) that undermined his path(square Sun) and derailed it permanently(Pluto square).

Its almost like the universe takes the Pluto individual away from the child (either literally or through a relationship severing)in order to allow the child to find who they really are OUTSIDE of the domineering eyes of the parent.

I think Sat/Cap in 5th/Virgo 5th is another one who isn't wild about kids. Or may limit the number of kids they have.Saturn aspecting the 5th house ruler may also do the same.

The ruler of my 5th house is the Sun(Leo).And for people who have Leo in 5th house, Sun in Leo or Sun in aspect to 5th house ruler etc. children are seen as "extensions" of them. So they have to consciously work at seeing children as separate individuals with own ambitions

Just like Pluto, these people have a potential of being either domineering parents or parents that serve to be mentors for their children.

In my case, I have thought of adoption. But I can't be sure. I suspect that since Neptune and Jupiter conjunct my Sun(ruler of 5th) in Sag, I may not be a great Dad in the literal sense of the word. But a better Uncle.

Either that or I will have kids in a foreign land(Jupiter), through unclear circumstances(Neptune) or very suddenly/unexpectedly(Uranus). Also likely that the kid/kids are bi-racial(Sag).

I am not sure about the kid thing tbh.So I choose to just leave it hanging as a question mark.

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Hi Aries, is there anyway you can interpret my chart as well?