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Dons2angelss
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posted August 08, 2019 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started using a different house system that now puts my once thought to be Neptune in the 8H into my 7H. After reading up on this placement, it makes perfect sense to me and is like getting a new piece of the puzzle I didn't even know I was missing. I've always had this problem of almost turning into whomever I was near, to the point of actually feeling drunk around drunk people even though I hadn't had a drop to drink. I've been studying the 8H for years now using the placidus system and I recently learned that that system isn't anywhere near accurate. Anyway, I feel like I'm late in the game with learning how this aspect affects the rest of my chart. How do you handle the blending energies with Neptune and uranus in your 7H?

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posted August 08, 2019 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don:
South Node(Ketu) is very similar to Neptune, in Vedic. Being in your 1st, and tightly conjunct the ASC to boot... well, look up "ketu in 1st", "ketu in lagna", etc. On top of that, Sun AND Mercury AND Venus 1in 12 is extremely psychically absorptive - you don't need Neptune-7. But if you want to fancy you do, be my guest.

I have Neptune-8 and all I can say is inheritances have been illusory for me (I got a car once, I know exactly how much I was told it was sold for, never got the $ somehow; also, personal effects of a grandparent were bequeathed to me but I was never given them and I'm sure now, decades later, have somehow vanished from the keeper's possession)... so if you've never had inheritance issues I can't differentiate it from 7 for you.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted August 08, 2019 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Placidus isn't accurate? Are you deducing this from your personal experience?

Well I looked at your chart using whole sign system. Your Neptune would move to the 8th and I believe the "getting drunk" feeling around others even when sober smells strongly of Neptune/12th house/Pisces to me.

Your Sun/Venus would be in the 12th house. The Venus in Taurus in 12th house would especially be very similar to Neptune in 7th/Pisces 7th or Venus in Pisces.

This is because Venus is the solar ruler of the 7th in the natural zodiac and governs all things related to partnerships/friendships and marriage etc.

Neptune in 8th may suggest confusion in matters of sexuality or sexual connection on one hand i.e what/whom really turns me on? what do I like? what's my sexual fetish? Do I even want to get sexually intimate?

On the other hand, it could suggest very high ideals that are likely not to be met or lived up to in terms of sexual gratification. This especially when we note that Venus(what we find arousing) is the ruler of your 5th house(sexual orientation) opposes Saturn(high standards).

Venus(ruler of the natal 5th) is in the 12th house of "illusions". So there is not much.clarity on what the standards really are nor what you like.

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posted August 08, 2019 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Placidus isn't accurate? Are you deducing this from your personal experience?

Well I looked at your chart using whole sign system. Your Neptune would move to the 8th and I believe the "getting drunk" feeling around others even when sober smells strongly of Neptune/12th house/Pisces to me.

Your Sun/Venus would be in the 12th house. The Venus in Taurus in 12th house would especially be very similar to Neptune in 7th/Pisces 7th or Venus in Pisces.

This is because Venus is the solar ruler of the 7th in the natural zodiac and governs all things related to partnerships/friendships and marriage etc.

Neptune in 8th may suggest confusion in matters of sexuality or sexual connection on one hand i.e what/whom really turns me on? what do I like? what's my sexual fetish? Do I even want to get sexually intimate?

On the other hand, it could suggest very high ideals that are likely not to be met or lived up to in terms of sexual gratification. This especially when we note that Venus(what we find arousing) is the ruler of your 5th house(sexual orientation) opposes Saturn(high standards).

Venus(ruler of the natal 5th) is in the 12th house of "illusions". So there is not much.clarity on what the standards really are nor what you like.


This is very true, that part about sexual unknowing I'm very aware of. I've just attributed most things to the stellium in the 12 but some things didn't make sense. Everyone knows me as the one who attracts addicts 😒. Every single person I've dated has been an addict, mostly heroin and I've actually set out to meet new people in new places from completely different backgrounds and I'll be damned if he didn't turn out to be on heroin too and I've never even touched a drug in my life. Only one male figure in my life hasn't been an addict and he is the father of my kids but there was heavy dissolution from my end of who he was. I put people on a pedastol and try not to see the bad until it's too late. In the relationship I'm in now I constantly find myself seeing him as who I think he is and over and over I'm disappointed when he turns out not to be who I've imagined. This is a problem I've dealt with for a long time. Constantly thinking not just the best of people, but just have a different idea altogether and reality is always there to smack me in the face.

It's not just with relationships either. I've been completely ghosted by employers as well. I've set up interviews and had the owner just not show up multiple times, business opportunities have been a slippery slope and not because I haven't put in the work or applied myself. This literally just happened to me last week at work. I met someone at work with connections to the business I want to be in (welding) and she set up an interview for me, it went great (or so I thought) and the next day, she didn't even speak to me that whole day. I brought it up and it was like it never even happened lol. No follow up on the interview, never heard back from anyone.

Equal and whole sign systems put my moon in the 5H, that does not fit me at all. I know a few people with that placement and it annoys me to no end.

Neptune in the 8H does fit to a degree but the money aspect that this placement represents has never fit. Jupiter is in my 8H and I've had quite a few inheritences, some out of the blue. I'm pretty responsible with money too and I'm not taken advantage of in that area either. I do give a lot, probably way too much but I definitely know how to cut it off when I know I'm being used.... About money, not when I'm being used in other ways unfortunately.

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Dons2angelss
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posted August 08, 2019 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:
Don:
South Node(Ketu) is very similar to Neptune, in Vedic. Being in your 1st, and tightly conjunct the ASC to boot... well, look up "ketu in 1st", "ketu in lagna", etc. On top of that, Sun AND Mercury AND Venus 1in 12 is extremely psychically absorptive - you don't need Neptune-7. But if you want to fancy you do, be my guest.

I have Neptune-8 and all I can say is inheritances have been illusory for me (I got a car once, I know exactly how much I was told it was sold for, never got the $ somehow; also, personal effects of a grandparent were bequeathed to me but I was never given them and I'm sure now, decades later, have somehow vanished from the keeper's possession)... so if you've never had inheritance issues I can't differentiate it from 7 for you.


That's the North node on my ascendant, is that what you meant?

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Aries23Degrees
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posted August 09, 2019 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
This is very true, that part about sexual unknowing I'm very aware of. I've just attributed most things to the stellium in the 12 but some things didn't make sense. Everyone knows me as the one who attracts addicts 😒. Every single person I've dated has been an addict, mostly heroin and I've actually set out to meet new people in new places from completely different backgrounds and I'll be damned if he didn't turn out to be on heroin too and I've never even touched a drug in my life. Only one male figure in my life hasn't been an addict and he is the father of my kids but there was heavy dissolution from my end of who he was. I put people on a pedastol and try not to see the bad until it's too late. In the relationship I'm in now I constantly find myself seeing him as who I think he is and over and over I'm disappointed when he turns out not to be who I've imagined. This is a problem I've dealt with for a long time. Constantly thinking not just the best of people, but just have a different idea altogether and reality is always there to smack me in the face.

It's not just with relationships either. I've been completely ghosted by employers as well. I've set up interviews and had the owner just not show up multiple times, business opportunities have been a slippery slope and not because I haven't put in the work or applied myself. This literally just happened to me last week at work. I met someone at work with connections to the business I want to be in (welding) and she set up an interview for me, it went great (or so I thought) and the next day, she didn't even speak to me that whole day. I brought it up and it was like it never even happened lol. No follow up on the interview, never heard back from anyone.

Equal and whole sign systems put my moon in the 5H, that does not fit me at all. I know a few people with that placement and it annoys me to no end.

Neptune in the 8H does fit to a degree but the money aspect that this placement represents has never fit. Jupiter is in my 8H and I've had quite a few inheritences, some out of the blue. I'm pretty responsible with money too and I'm not taken advantage of in that area either. I do give a lot, probably way too much but I definitely know how to cut it off when I know I'm being used.... About money, not when I'm being used in other ways unfortunately.


I hear you. The way I think of is like this:

The Asc is the route and planets therein add to it.So the planets on the Asc are very important as they set the tone.

Ime Gemini is not a particularly sexual energy. It has an interest in sex...yes. But its interest in sex can border more on curiosity than pure lust.

Gemini tends to be cut off from the physical and explores more the mental. This unless certain sexual planets contradict what is said here, the sexual energy of the sign is geared more towards "mental" endeavors than physical ones. More towards intellectual discernment and detachment than obsession really.

So lets look at the empty Gem Asc-using whole sign system to test this theory.

Gemini asc- 1 st house associated with sexual Aries. The energy here is geared towards a strongly mental outlook. These people assess the world with pure logic. They dont get easily worked up about anything.

Scorpio 6th house is affiliated with mental work(Virgo). The mental energy of Gemini is steep and can be detrimental health-wise if not given the proper expression.

So for Gemini,having a purpose or work etc. is how they burn the aggressive energy coming from this steep mental ocean. If not given this outlet, an idle mind cam create chaos.Gemini is no exception here and can end up using their mind for crime related things or activities of a shady kind.

8th house associated with Scorpio is in Cap. Cap is delays, restriction and rational faculties etc. So when applied to the area of sex and sexuality, you have someone who explores the said subject more "academically" like a scientist would then getting all invested in it.

Gemini Asc tend to come to an understanding of what they like sexuality-wise, much later on in life(Cap). When in that frame of mind, they can be surprisingly sensual and "thorough". Often times seeming more " experinced" sexually than would otherwise really.be the case

#sidenote. I suspect people who stay Virgins for the most part of their lives have Saturn in 8th, Saturn in 5th or Cap in 5th or Cap in 8th.

Anyways....Aries is in the 11 th house-The 11th house is associated with Aqua. Gemini Asc can be combative and passionate (Aries) when involved in groups(11th/Aqua). Another reason is that Gemini sees groups as a " chosen" reference point and thus are more personally identifying(Aries) with these associations as a part of who they are mentaly(remember 1st house associated with Aries is in mental Gemini).

Now for the typical Gemini Asc, issues with sexual orientation i.e where do I fall? Questions on whether they are even sexual at all etc. will arise because of what is discussed above.

What can change things? Well, if there is a strong Mars/ Pluto. Both of these planets tend towards physical gratification. This Gemini Asc will behave more "passionately" than is typical.

Also a possible game changer is Venus, which can heighten sensual appetites and dull the Mercury (Gemini ruler)intellect.

In the former case, Mercury is no friend of Mars or Pluto. Both of these planets raise Mercury's heat. Mercury cannot be in anger or passion mode(both extreme emotions) to remain detached and objective. Which is what Mercury wants to maintain above all else.

In the latter, Mercury is also distracted by Venus. Venus sensitises Mercury to being a "people pleaser", fulfilling carnal pleasures and accumulating "haves"(materialism).

Mercury must remain pure and untouched(Vir) from such influences in order to think and reason in a manner that is unbiased and free from prejudice. Again, this is what Mercury ultimately desires.

In your case, Chiron in Gemini in 1st(whole sign) sets the tone. Chiron is psychological "wound/hurt" and the need to "heal" oneself through others(therein lies the rub).

It is essentially not so much restorative energy as it is practiced alignment and acceptance of "what is". The awareness of "imperfections" and stiil keeping the love of those so-called "imperfections" going anyways.

There is a reason I think that Chiron is so close in word order to "Chronic". It means that that sense of feeling the "imperfection" will not go away. It is through practiced alignment with the love within that can "manage" it every single day in each moment to moment mode.

Now with Chiron in 1st, the general aura you greet the world with is "calmness", a state of "peace" and an acute sensitivity to the load that others carry.

Now Uranus is in 7th. This is planet that attracts all sorts of "weird" and "rejected" outcasts to you. Why? Because Chiron is how you greet the world(1st).

To illustrate: The Christian Jesus attracted lepers to him(and not to say that whom you always attract is a "leper" but just stick with me here).

This was not to necessarily "destabilize" him but because the lepers wanted to centre themselves and receive "healing"(self love and self acceptance to see themselves as whole and not " wounded") through being in the same vicinity as his steady and consistent vibration.

These people(Uranus) are attracted to you not because they want you to "save" them. But because they enjoy embalming themselves in the centred energy you exude. Just like we would be drawn to a warm fire in winter.

Neptune now goes to the 8th with Jupiter also there. This increases open-mindedness about all sorts of demons(8th) others might be struggling to surface i.e sexual abuse, rape, enslavement, victimization etc. Heavy stuff that made their world dark(8th).

Are you likely to attract these people too? Yes. The 8th house is also associated with intimacy and sexual longings. So these people will also be drawn to you and will want to get to know you more "intimately". And likewise you them.

You are not essentially a judgemental person.This goes part in parcel with Venus/Sun in 12th. You accept people " as is" because you want others to accept you as you are.

Consider also that having Moon in 5th serves this theme of " calm" energy starting at your 1st. Your mode of self expression (5th) is to nurture, to feel, to comfort and to love(Moon).

The achilles heel or difficulties may come with the 6th house. In that Mars/Saturn are conjunct there. This means that you can easily develop a "savior" complex (Mars) that eventually also starts to feel like a burden (Saturn)to you.

You may feel responsible for other's issues and problems and empathize so much, that it starts to tax your health etc. and this could be the motivating tool to work on detachment(Saturn) and disassociation(Mars)

Mercury in 11th would be interactiveness with groups and a tendency to be associated with people of all sorts of differing mentalities. You can be sensitive to group telepathy or mentality i.e the "hive mind".

But Mercury also insists on mental space, redefinition and not identifying too much with certain groups /people- in case it closes you off to others. Especially groups or headspace that put you off balance with too much negativity.

I am of the opinion that Chiron people are very much like teachers(and many Chiron strong people tend to be drawn to that profession).

In that it does not benefit Chiron people to have favourites, to judge or discriminate. Their role is to empower.

And just like teaching is more a "calling" and arguably one of the worst paying jobs in the world. Being Chiron strong person can feel like what you do or how you live your life is more a "calling" than it is about money or whether you "love" it or not.

You don't expect to always get a pat on the back. But you are who you are regardless of whom is a fan and whom is not


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Aries23Degrees
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posted August 09, 2019 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes.And did you notice that even in your Draco chart the Sun/Venus and Asc are in Pisces?

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posted August 09, 2019 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Don, what system are you using in the natal chart you posted?

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