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Leo-Cancer98
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posted August 17, 2019 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In your personal opinion, experience, or expertise

"Cancerian" as in a lady who has many planets in Cancer, in the 4th House, or is Moon-dominant, in some way, shape, or form.

Thank you!

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Cancer Rising
2nd House Leo Sun
3rd House Leo Mercury
6th House Sagittarius Moon & Pluto
1st House Cancer Venus & Mars
9th House Pisces Jupiter conjunct MC.

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posted August 17, 2019 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you consider moon conjunct sun in 1st house moon-dominant? I am attracted to Saturn/ Capricorn placements but also have Desc in Aqua (saturn traditional ruler) and Mars in 10th house.

Are you a cancer ASC? Where is your 7th house ruler?

I personally think all opposite signs are great for each other but might take more work. They balance each other out. Maybe Saturn/Capricorn has the stability that the moon/cancer needs. I also think Capricorn’s could be a bit more sensitive then led on, so that may help when relating with cancers emotion? Just taking a guess haha.

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posted August 17, 2019 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opposite signs attract each other because at the base level, they have a meeting point i.e same modal quality

I would imagine that a Cancer energy in both male and female would be attractive to Cap(both male and female). And this would go both ways.

By Cancer energy, I don't mean strictly Cancer Sun only.

Stellium in Cancer
Stellium in 4th house
Moon in Cancer
Moon in Leo
Moon in 4th
Ruler of 1st in 4th
Ruler of 4th in 1st
Moon in 1st
Mars in the 4th house
Sun in 4th
Leo Ic
Moon in 5th
5th house cusp in Cancer
Ruler of 5th in 4th
Ruler of 5th in Cancer

Cancer has nurturing energy that looks deeper into the austere & restrictive walls that Cap holds up. i

Cancer understands the deeply self protective stance Cap takes in love matters because they too take romance quite seriously.

So Cancer is able to coach out whatever tenderness there is and allows space for Cap to get in touch with their tender nature too.

This is of course an idelaistic POV. Some Cancers often have imbalanced emotions and temper tantrums that can border on drama. Cap can dislike these types immensely.

And some Caps can be so anxious and nervous around exposing their more tender side that they can personify the quintessential douche bag or "ice queen". Cancer is unlikely to be loving with these types and keep their distance.

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posted August 18, 2019 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Opposite signs attract each other because at the base level, they have a meeting point i.e same modal quality

I would imagine that a Cancer energy in both male and female would be attractive to Cap(both male and female). And this would go both ways.

By Cancer energy, I don't mean strictly Cancer Sun only.

Stellium in Cancer
Stellium in 4th house
Moon in Cancer
Moon in Leo
Moon in 4th
Ruler of 1st in 4th
Ruler of 4th in 1st
Moon in 1st
Mars in the 4th house
Sun in 4th
Leo Ic
Moon in 5th
5th house cusp in Cancer
Ruler of 5th in 4th
Ruler of 5th in Cancer

Cancer has nurturing energy that looks deeper into the austere & restrictive walls that Cap holds up. i

Cancer understands the deeply self protective stance Cap takes in love matters because they too take romance quite seriously.

So Cancer is able to coach out whatever tenderness there is and allows space for Cap to get in touch with their tender nature too.

This is of course an idelaistic POV. Some Cancers often have imbalanced emotions and temper tantrums that can border on drama. Cap can dislike these types immensely.

And some Caps can be so anxious and nervous around exposing their more tender side that they can personify the quintessential douche bag or "ice queen". Cancer is unlikely to be loving with these types and keep their distance.


Hi Aries! Just wanted to know why moon in Leo is considered cancer energy? I have that plus some others you listed.

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posted August 18, 2019 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there MMarie,

Moon rules the home and Leo is the creative life force. Moon in Leo is akin to Moon in 5th. In that the sensitive nature of the Moon finds creative expression in matters related to the 5th.

The creative expression could be through home decorations, the enjoyment of being a caretaker, creating an environment at home that is warm and inviting, the calling/life purpose to be a caregiver or involved with home/heritage/children/emotional creativity in some way significant.

With Moon in Leo/5th or ruler of 4th in 5th, this is conscious expression. This is the self expressive imprint of identity fulfillment. It is dymanic and externally focused in essence instead of internally concentrated and deeply subjective(Moon in Cancer/Ic)

This is the difference between Cancer Sun (also 5th house Moon/ Sun/Ic affiliation) i think.The Cancer Sun friend I know is concerned about legacy/children and the imprint of the ego self(Sun) on Cancer related things.

At home he is the patriarch(Sun) and is the centre of decisions made.His family is his pride and joy and all his life revolves around them.He adores home.

Cancer Moon is the 'search' for groundedness, home and belonging. This leads to influx and internal restlessness that makes the native more focused on the subjective experience rather than the "physical" essence.

In short,Cancer Sun aims to build a nest or create a home. To "centre" oneself around ideals of what 'home' means to you.

But Cancer Moon is the "looking" for a home.A wanting to be part of a community and constant emotional responses to subjective thoughts of belonging. Sometimes pulling away and other times 'towards' others.

That's why Moon in Cancer(save for Sun in Taurus, Leo, Scorpio,Aqua)seems so markedly "unstable" and moodier than Sun in Cancer. Sun gives the emotions more purpose whilst Moon encourages the native to experience the troughs and peaks unending.

That's why Cancer is strongly Cancer related. It makes sense because the Moon is SUPPOSED to be changeable. So Cancer Moons are supposed to go through the motions in ways alike to their ruler.

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posted August 18, 2019 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Aries! I’m still a bit confused haha but are you saying that moon in Leo is similar to sun in cancer because they are mixing moon/sun, 4th/5th elements? Moon in Leo is not similar to moon in Cancer though because of the difference of internal and external expression?

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posted August 18, 2019 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MMarie:
Thank you Aries! I’m still a bit confused haha but are you saying that moon in Leo is similar to sun in cancer because they are mixing moon/sun, 4th/5th elements? Moon in Leo is not similar to moon in Cancer though because of the difference of internal and external expression?

Moon in Leo is similar to Sun in Cancer. When the two occupy a chart, the two are said to be in mutual reception.In that they occupy each other's place of domicile.

Whichever way you spin it, Moon is the archetype energy for Cancer. Sun is the archetype energy for Leo.

What is Leo/Sun and 5th house jointly representative of?Expressive creative energy,the identity,the heart chakra &living from a vitality affirming place etc.

And the Moon/Cancer or the Ic pertain to the emotional well-being. In my way of understanding, Virgo/Cancer both rule the stomach.

One of the manifestations of Cancer ruling the stomach is the feeling of safety abd security-which adds ,to emotional well-being .Think of how better the world looks when you have had a good filling home cooked warm meal? Its like all is right and well with the world.

So now mix Sun with Moon. What can we think of? Creative ways(Sun) of attaining emotional well-being(Moon). Attaching ones goals in life(Sun) to emotional well-being(Moon).

Leo-Cancer, Sun/Moon, Leo Moon, Cancer Sun, Ic Leo, 5th Cancer, Moon-5th, Sun-Ic, 5th house ruler in Cancer, 4th house ruler in Leo, Ruler of 4th aspect Sun, Ruler of 5th aspect Moon etc. all deal with the creative attainment of security ideals.

Some do it through building a family, through building businesses, some through charity work and others through healing services etc..

Whatever it is, the energy is expressed externally into the world in a manner that centres the native(Sun) to make all of life emotionally fulfilling(Moon). That is the ultimate goal.

Cancer Moon is very similar but takes the hypersensitivity up a notch. Whether we are also referring to Moon in IC/Cancer on 4th house cusp etc. this double emphasis of Cardinal energy keeps Cancer at a crisis point of worrying if there will be enough?

This is the recurring fear of worrying where this emotional well-being will come from? Cancer Moons worry a lot and an get into a loop/ frenzy of possibly not having their emotional needs met.

This state of flux is what causes both the mind to be unstable and because the mind is unstable and not well rested, the home front(Ic) with Moon is one of continual flux and change.

Here there is no so much a conscious creative expression then there is an emotional reaction from the environment. The energy(barring aspects to the Moon) being more passive and reflective (Moon)than creative and assertive(Sun)

Moon is more emotionally subjective and easily influenced than the Sun. The differences being most evident for instance in how the two interact with the immediate environment.

Moon in Cancer(barring aspects from Jupiter or Mars) often engages with others very slowly. They don't trust new company and tend to stick with those they already know.

Moon in Leo however tends to be more open(barring aspects from Pluto/Saturn), walking up to people in a more open manner and asserting themselves to the environment more etc.

Both however tend towards loyalty, want tons of attention and sulk when they don't get it. Mom tends to matter to both and both like to be the centre of attention in the home front.

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posted August 18, 2019 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Moon in Leo is similar to Sun in Cancer. When the two occupy a chart, the two are said to be in mutual reception.In that they occupy each other's place of domicile.

Whichever way you spin it, Moon is the archetype energy for Cancer. Sun is the archetype energy for Leo.

What is Leo/Sun and 5th house jointly representative of?Expressive creative energy,the identity,the heart chakra &living from a vitality affirming place etc.

And the Moon/Cancer or the Ic pertain to the emotional well-being. In my way of understanding, Virgo/Cancer both rule the stomach.

One of the manifestations of Cancer ruling the stomach is the feeling of safety abd security-which adds ,to emotional well-being .Think of how better the world looks when you have had a good filling home cooked warm meal? Its like all is right and well with the world.

So now mix Sun with Moon. What can we think of? Creative ways(Sun) of attaining emotional well-being(Moon). Attaching ones goals in life(Sun) to emotional well-being(Moon).

Leo-Cancer, Sun/Moon, Leo Moon, Cancer Sun, Ic Leo, 5th Cancer, Moon-5th, Sun-Ic, 5th house ruler in Cancer, 4th house ruler in Leo, Ruler of 4th aspect Sun, Ruler of 5th aspect Moon etc. all deal with the creative attainment of security ideals.

Some do it through building a family, through building businesses, some through charity work and others through healing services etc..

Whatever it is, the energy is expressed externally into the world in a manner that centres the native(Sun) to make all of life emotionally fulfilling(Moon). That is the ultimate goal.

Cancer Moon is very similar but takes the hypersensitivity up a notch. Whether we are also referring to Moon in IC/Cancer on 4th house cusp etc. this double emphasis of Cardinal energy keeps Cancer at a crisis point of worrying if there will be enough?

This is the recurring fear of worrying where this emotional well-being will come from? Cancer Moons worry a lot and an get into a loop/ frenzy of possibly not having their emotional needs met.

This state of flux is what causes both the mind to be unstable and because the mind is unstable and not well rested, the home front(Ic) with Moon is one of continual flux and change.

Here there is no so much a conscious creative expression then there is an emotional reaction from the environment. The energy(barring aspects to the Moon) being more passive and reflective (Moon)than creative and assertive(Sun)

Moon is more emotionally subjective and easily influenced than the Sun. The differences being most evident for instance in how the two interact with the immediate environment.

Moon in Cancer(barring aspects from Jupiter or Mars) often engages with others very slowly. They don't trust new company and tend to stick with those they already know.

Moon in Leo however tends to be more open(barring aspects from Pluto/Saturn), walking up to people in a more open manner and asserting themselves to the environment more etc.

Both however tend towards loyalty, want tons of attention and sulk when they don't get it. Mom tends to matter to both and both like to be the centre of attention in the home front.


Wow, really great information. Now I understand. And can totally relate to the last paragraph. Thank you again!

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