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ChildofVenus
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posted September 02, 2019 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone who has Uranus, North Node, Neptune and Saturn in their 2nd house.
And they have Moon and Venus in the 10th house trine Saturn. But they do have Capricorn on the 2nd house cusps.

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posted September 02, 2019 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably because its reinforced by the Venus trine Saturn which also shows financial stability and comfort.

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posted September 02, 2019 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mourningfire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Noooooo
I have a 2nd house stellium involving sun, mercury, venus and saturn and that is NOT the case for me. I've always found the interpretation of the 2nd house to be very cookbook and superficial. I mean, I certainly do not relate to it. I'm not materialistic nor am I bound to my possessions, I don't think I'm any more stability-conscious as the next person, and my self-worth isn't shakier or more dependent on 2nd house matters than anyone else. It's for these reasons that I actually started exploring other house systems like whole signs which got rid of the stellium entirely and put Uranus in my second house. That seemed more accurate but still, it's so blatantly THERE with placidus, I've never been able to just ignore it.

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posted September 02, 2019 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Probably because its reinforced by the Venus trine Saturn which also shows financial stability and comfort.

They have Moon and Venus in the 10th house. And both are trine Saturn which is in the 2nd house.

They told me they have three sources of income this is the chart.

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posted September 03, 2019 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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I'm not materialistic nor am I bound to my possessions,

But ... are these qualities (in yourself) that you VALUE?

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posted September 03, 2019 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Themes of self esteem,hoarding, possessiveness, survival needs or constant fear of ""starving"-ie.being without or losing conveniences etc. become recurring themes in life.

There is tendency for the native to hold on too tightly or for too long to things that are valuable/ precious to them to a point of suffocating them. "Wealth" actually is also another form of hoarding.

My friend has the stellium in 2nd. He is not rich and used to be a compulsive smoker and drinker. The 2nd house emphasis also has a preoccupation with having a psychological "pacifier" or anything that is hand to mouth instant gratification ie. food,smoking,drinking, chewing something regularly etc.

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posted September 03, 2019 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The answer to the question is No. Same answer for Jupiter in 2nd.

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posted September 03, 2019 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mourningfire:
Noooooo
I have a 2nd house stellium involving sun, mercury, venus and saturn and that is NOT the case for me. I've always found the interpretation of the 2nd house to be very cookbook and superficial. I mean, I certainly do not relate to it. I'm not materialistic nor am I bound to my possessions, I don't think I'm any more stability-conscious as the next person, and my self-worth isn't shakier or more dependent on 2nd house matters than anyone else. It's for these reasons that I actually started exploring other house systems like whole signs which got rid of the stellium entirely and put Uranus in my second house. That seemed more accurate but still, it's so blatantly THERE with placidus, I've never been able to just ignore it.

Well Saturn there won't facilitate wealth.

As for the Whole Sign house system, it's baseless. No good reason to use it.

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posted September 03, 2019 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The answer to the question is No. Same answer for Jupiter in 2nd.


This person said they have three sources of income.

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posted September 04, 2019 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TeaBags     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you mean wealthy in terms of money then no 2nd house stellium does not always mean being wealthy. 2nd house is things we value and that is much more than just material things and money. Aspects to the planets in that house as well, the condition of the house ruler as the 8th house etc are important too.There would be many things to consider.

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posted September 04, 2019 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Originally posted by TeaBags:
If you mean wealthy in terms of money then no 2nd house stellium does not always mean being wealthy. 2nd house is things we value and that is much more than just material things and money. Aspects to the planets in that house as well, the condition of the house ruler as the 8th house etc are important too.There would be many things to consider.

So ... those that own nothing, and value their lack of attachment to material things, are "wealthy" - whilst those who own much, and value the possession of material wealth, are also "wealthy".

However ... both are "poor" if they despise the values of the other - or fail to recognise the right of the other to have values which differ from their own.

Hence ... "holy" wars (in all their various guises) are invariably fought by those that believe themselves to be wealthy but are actually poor.

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posted September 04, 2019 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please let us know if he is materially wealthy, if/when you find out.

Based on the chart - those 4 are all pointers for being anti-wealthy IMO - I'd say no... BUT the house's ruler being domicile(strong) might negate the negative stuff.

Him putting a lot of effort into wealth makes sense regardless, though.

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posted September 04, 2019 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:
Please let us know if he is materially wealthy, if/when you find out.

Based on the chart - those 4 are all pointers for being anti-wealthy IMO - I'd say no... BUT the house's ruler being domicile(strong) might negate the negative stuff.

Him putting a lot of effort into wealth makes sense regardless, though.



He travels a lot and he told me he has three sources of income. I don't know if that would be considered wealthy.

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posted September 05, 2019 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Fortuna Point, Venus, Moon, NN and Mercury in 2nd House. I'm near 40. I'm right now poor and I was never rich in my life.

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posted September 05, 2019 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Somna7H:
I have Fortuna Point, Venus, Moon, NN and Mercury in 2nd House. I'm near 40. I'm right now poor and I was never rich in my life.


Why don't you kill yourself?

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posted September 05, 2019 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:
Why don't you kill yourself?

Please don’t say things like that you never know how a person is feeling.

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posted September 05, 2019 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:
Why don't you kill yourself?

May be if I kill you I will get huge money ? Then I will become rich ?

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posted September 05, 2019 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Somna7H:
May be if I kill you I will get huge money ? Then I will become rich ?

I was genuinely asking. All I see is you being mopey, so I wanted to know why you are still alive if life is as complete of a drag as it seems for you from your posts.

No offense meant, everyone. If a mod wants to delete these posts so the title topic can continue that's fine by me.

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posted September 05, 2019 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Themes of self esteem,hoarding, possessiveness, survival needs or constant fear of ""starving"-ie.being without or losing conveniences etc. become recurring themes in life.

There is tendency for the native to hold on too tightly or for too long to things that are valuable/ precious to them to a point of suffocating them. "Wealth" actually is also another form of hoarding.

My friend has the stellium in 2nd. He is not rich and used to be a compulsive smoker and drinker. The 2nd house emphasis also has a preoccupation with having a psychological "pacifier" or anything that is hand to mouth instant gratification ie. food,smoking,drinking, chewing something regularly etc.


This fits my husband! Granted, he “only” has Taurus Moon + Saturn in 2H and no stellium.

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posted September 05, 2019 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:
I was genuinely asking. All I see is you being mopey, so I wanted to know why you are still alive if life is as complete of a drag as it seems for you from your posts.

No offense meant, everyone. If a mod wants to delete these posts so the title topic can continue that's fine by me.



Actually I genuinely asked.
But I guess killing you will not make me rich. Now you lack Astrological knowledge so you can't read natal chart and so you will not find the answer why I'm still alive.

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posted September 05, 2019 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This fits my husband! Granted, he “only” has Taurus Moon + Saturn in 2H and no stellium.

The 2nd house emphasis stresses childhood survival needs or conditioned states of being and the motivation to have those needs met/sustained.

When Venus/Jupiter are in the 2nd, the native typically has an appreciative attitude towards the beauty of things and simplicity.

So life creates abundance around them because that is the vantage point from which they receive life. This whether they lived in a forest or "fountain crest" setup early on in life.

Its interesting to note that Bear Gryllis has Venus in Taurus. And his show features celebs "roughing it" in the wilderness and challenging terrains.And I strongly suspect that this "survival" focused show is a strong reflection of his childhood.

He learned how to climb & sail at an early age through his father.When he was a teenager he would skydive and he also obtained honours in learning karate.

With Venus in Taurus it is clear that there is an appreciation and optimistic view towards life. Seeing life as beautiful,generous and bountiful. And this perspective certainly helps his Gemini Sun curiosity thrive.

This dispells the myth that Venus in Taurus is lazy, couch potatoe and lacks a thirst for adventure. Did I also mention that his Mars is in "wimpy" Cancer?

I have North node in Gemini in the 2nd house. And as I grow, I learn that "aping" the early environment I grew up under is also occurring in my case.For good or ill.

And with North node in Gemini there, I recall how we moved around a lot in my childhood.How communicative and social my surroundings were. And how that restless energy fueled my sense of security up to a point where I HAVE to constantly move/adapt and communicate.

I am on this very board to fulfill that need. My home fulfills that need and if I get married, my partner will have to be communicative.

With Saturn in 2nd, affection was likely also lacking or the early environment was austere.The native had to grow up quickly or the parents put a lot of responsibility on them etc.

So as they grow, the natives sense of security is tied to being responsible or else they attach the reward of affection to being responsible and acting "grown up".

This is also the baton he will pass on to his children. That they should "earn" love or affection. That they need to be more obedient or be able to follow rules etc. He is likely to be lean when it comes to expressing affection for them etc.

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posted September 05, 2019 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The 2nd house emphasis stresses childhood survival needs or conditioned states of being and the motivation to have those needs met/sustained.

When Venus/Jupiter are in the 2nd, the native typically has an appreciative attitude towards the beauty of things and simplicity.

So life creates abundance around them because that is the vantage point from which they receive life. This whether they lived in a forest or "fountain crest" setup early on in life.

Its interesting to note that Bear Gryllis has Venus in Taurus. And his show features celebs "roughing it" in the wilderness and challenging terrains.And I strongly suspect that this "survival" focused show is a strong reflection of his childhood.

He learned how to climb & sail at an early age through his father.When he was a teenager he would skydive and he also obtained honours in learning karate.

With Venus in Taurus it is clear that there is an appreciation and optimistic view towards life. Seeing life as beautiful,generous and bountiful. And this perspective certainly helps his Gemini Sun curiosity thrive.

This dispells the myth that Venus in Taurus is lazy, couch potatoe and lacks a thirst for adventure. Did I also mention that his Mars is in "wimpy" Cancer?

I have North node in Gemini in the 2nd house. And as I grow, I learn that "aping" the early environment I grew up under is also occurring in my case.For good or ill.

And with North node in Gemini there, I recall how we moved around a lot in my childhood.How communicative and social my surroundings were. And how that restless energy fueled my sense of security up to a point where I HAVE to constantly move/adapt and communicate.

I am on this very board to fulfill that need. My home fulfills that need and if I get married, my partner will have to be communicative.

With Saturn in 2nd, affection was likely also lacking or the early environment was austere.The native had to grow up quickly or the parents put a lot of responsibility on them etc.

So as they grow, the natives sense of security is tied to being responsible or else they attach the reward of affection to being responsible and acting "grown up".

This is also the baton he will pass on to his children. That they should "earn" love or affection. That they need to be more obedient or be able to follow rules etc. He is likely to be lean when it comes to expressing affection for them etc.



So Is your husband wealthy? The person with this chart said they have multiple sources of income.

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posted September 06, 2019 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[/QUOTE] So Is your husband wealthy? The person with this chart said they have multiple sources of income.

You should ask Charlie this. It was originally their post I answered.

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posted September 06, 2019 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
This fits my husband! Granted, he “only” has Taurus Moon + Saturn in 2H and no stellium.

Is your husband wealthy?

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posted September 06, 2019 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends on what the stellium consists of. I have a stellium in 2nd house in Libra composed of Saturn, Pluto and Mercury (chart ruler).
I am rather thrifty and cautious with money, I have worked towards financial stability slowly but consistently. I heard that people born with Saturn here can achieve sound financial stability and accumulate a lot of wealth later in life. It's never about luck, it's about planning, effort and persistance.

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