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posted September 03, 2019 08:55 AM            

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ASC/DC axis and IC/MC axis. I have:

- Virgo ASC/Pisces DC 7’
- Sagittarius IC/Gemini MC 4’

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posted September 03, 2019 09:00 AM            

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Technically ...no. I think that it pertains to planets only.

I have a T-square completed by my Asc in Aries. But I wouldn't consider it a grand cross. There has to be a natal planet completing it in the place of the Asc. Atleast that is my understanding of it.

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posted September 03, 2019 09:00 AM            

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posted September 03, 2019 09:00 AM            

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Oh yes.I wanted to add that I think by "planets", this excludes asteroids.

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posted September 03, 2019 10:46 AM            

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I have Asc at 29Virgo57 and MC at 29Gemini45.

Hence, the four points through which I see (and am seen by) others are all in mutable signs. This gives the camera through which I relate to the world/others a single lens (of mutability), rather than the two lenses which would otherwise be available ... and only one shutter speed (i.e.. the anaretic degree), rather than two (complementary Sabian Symbols).

Astrologically though, there is a reason for this last-chance-saloon emphasis on mutability ... a Chiron-wounded-Sun in Scorpio/3rd which - in the current lifetime - is learning to discern between people (that can and cannot be trusted).

So ... the four squares and two oppositions made by my natal chart angles do not manifest as a Mutable Cross ... but they do seem to there for a reason/purpose.

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