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Dons2angelss
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posted September 05, 2019 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not an organized religion kind of person. Even as a young child I felt they were lacking... I'm not sure what. I know a lot of devoutly religious people and I can't find a common theme. In my chart I have a 12H and 6H stellium with Mars through Neptune retrograde but I would think that would turn me towards something spiritual like religion offers but it doesn't. In fact I can't even bring myself to walk into a church without getting the heeby jeebies lol. What aspects would lean a person towards or against religions?

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posted September 05, 2019 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
9th house emphasis or 12th house emphasis
Sag or Pisces placements
Jupiter or Neptune prominent.

I am spiritual.When I was younger,I think I was more "religious".The difference being that the former is more a conscious awareness of my own divinity as a being. The latter being that the divine being is somewhere external and "out there" etc. and one has to "look" for it.

One thing i have noted:People who are still looking for God, have so much to say about God. But people who acknowledge that they have God in their heart, have nothing more to say about the subject.

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posted September 05, 2019 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm an atheist but also have animist beliefs. I don't believe that there is some god or higher being that has power over us, or that has created us. But I do believe in the concept of spirit/soul. I belive that the world and everything in it is something more than physical. But I see no reason to figure it out beyond that. I have no need to express my spirituality and I'm also rather anti organized religion. I don't have an aversion toward churches as such, but I definitely try to avoid church services and anything missionary. I also have a hard time coexisting with devoutly christian people of a particularly conservative bent...

Sun and Chiron in Gemini 9th house, Mars and Mercury in Cancer conjunct Midheaven from the 9th. Moon in Virgo 12th. Neptune conjunct IC. And asteroid Spirit exactly conjunct my Moon, always found that very fitting.

Might Jupiter/9th/Sag be more traditional organized religion, while Neptune/12th/Pisces is more alternative forms of spirituality?

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posted September 05, 2019 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
9th house emphasis or 12th house emphasis
Sag or Pisces placements
Jupiter or Neptune prominent.

I am spiritual.When I was younger,I think I was more "religious".The difference being that the former is more a conscious awareness of my own divinity as a being. The latter being that the divine being is somewhere external and "out there" etc. and one has to "look" for it.

One thing i have noted:People who are still looking for God, have so much to say about God. But people who acknowledge that they have God in their heart, have nothing more to say about the subject.


Do you mean those placements indicate someone “religious”? I agree. I have a 12th house stellium, Pisces stellium and Pluto in the 9th house and I believe in God. And I do agree with you about people who have God in their hearts don’t have much to say about god. Because I believe and love God but I don’t really talk about my beliefs with people. I don’t preach religion I just follow it with my intuition I guess? I don’t know how to describe it, but everyone has their own beliefs. I don’t follow the religion “by the book” I just believe Jesus Christ and I always talk to him either directly or indirectly when I have no one to talk to (which is most of the time) but of course I follow astrology so it’s kind of contradicting to religion but I hey lol I think God understands

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posted September 05, 2019 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know 2 men with stelliums in their 9H and one is 100% atheist and the other has a degree in religious studies and almost became a minister. I do agree with the 12H and 9H playing a role though. Like Aries mentioned, some speak loudly about their faith and others keep it to themselves and that's a perfect way to see the differences between the 9 and 12 houses. I don't talk about my beliefs and it's even hard for me to talk about astrology sometimes because it's pretty personal with me. My religious friend was very open and loved to talk about anything religion, like he was always trying to figure them out and I would steer clear of those conversations. His sun, venus, and mercury are in the 9H.
With the atheist's chart, he doesn't have any personal planets in the 9H and I think this makes a big difference. This house isn't personal to him and doesn't hold his focus. He did go to the top of his field in astronomy and travels quite a lot for work though lol.

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posted September 06, 2019 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Chiron in Gem 9th house.
I'm not afraid of questioning things even religion since i was young. I believe in God. But religious ppl in the middle east find me too open minded and liberal for them

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posted September 06, 2019 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not religious, but am not sure if I'm an atheist.

Someone I reconnected with, became heavily religious over the last six/seven years. He's had Neptune transiting his Jupiter and now his Venus in Pisces, as well as squaring his natal Neptune in Sagittarius. It probably started with transiting Neptune sextile his Sun/Moon. He used to be an atheist. Told me that he listened to podcasts and everything. Now he's all about the bible.

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posted September 06, 2019 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Do you mean those placements indicate someone “religious”? I agree. I have a 12th house stellium, Pisces stellium and Pluto in the 9th house and I believe in God. And I do agree with you about people who have God in their hearts don’t have much to say about god. Because I believe and love God but I don’t really talk about my beliefs with people. I don’t preach religion I just follow it with my intuition I guess? I don’t know how to describe it, but everyone has their own beliefs. I don’t follow the religion “by the book” I just believe Jesus Christ and I always talk to him either directly or indirectly when I have no one to talk to (which is most of the time) but of course I follow astrology so it’s kind of contradicting to religion but I hey lol I think God understands

It is no contradiction at all. You do you.It doesn't have to make "sense" to anyone, it is your spiritual journey really. Personal and intimate.

I have Nep/Merc/Sun/Jup on the Sag cusp of the 9th. with Uranus/Sun/Neptune/Jup and South node all in Sag.

Jupiter rules the 9th and Neptune rules the 12th(also strong indicators). Neptune in 9th however does want me to mix spirituality into religious doctrine. My Sun forms aspects to both by conjunction.

It is inevitable for someone who has Sag/Pisces or affiliated positions ime to think of religion ,philosophy, politics, international relations etc. These are "big picture" things -which is both of these signs domain.

* I noticed that Gemini TD Jakes has Sag Saturn with Jupiter in Virgo square Sun.

* Joel Osteen has Sun in Pisces widely conjuct Jupiter in Pisces. Chiron in Pisces conj Sun and opposite Uranus (Joel's views may be too "eclectic" for some to understand"). He has Saturn,Mercury and Venus in Aqua too. His Draco Moon is also in Pisces.

* Esther Hicks a.k.a "Abraham Hicks" has Sun in Pisces square Moon in Sag. Moon in Sag is widely conjunct Jupiter in Sag and opposes Uranus in Gemini.

I notice also that T.D Jakes is less open-ended than Joel Osteen or Abraham Hicks. Pisces tends to want to be "all inclusive" -especially when Jupiter is in Aqua/ Pisces. Abraham Hicks has Uranus opp Jupiter(Aqua energy)

T.D is more stringent and scripture focused. That is to be expected with Jupiter in Virgo squaring his "detail oriented" Sun in Gemini.

I prefer Joel and Esther's more "open ended" approach personally. My Jupiter conj Neptune in Sag. I like an "all inclusive" religious basis. And since Uranus also parallels Neptune, I do agree with Joel and Esthers more unconventional style.

Esther has Venus conj my Asc and her Neptune conjuncts my Sun/Moon midpoint. Her Moon opposes my North node and North node is opposing my natal Venus.Wow!

I always screen a religious philosophy based on how welcoming it is to the so-called "rejects" of society. It could be that Neptune/Sun both in tight inconjunct aspect to Chiron is responsible for this.But I watch for this.

I also like intellectual insight. I don't prescribe to people who take things "as is" and don't question or reason(could be my Mercury in 9th here). Religious beliefs that are big on rituals and largely purist in approach don't interest me i.e Judaism,Islam or orthodox Christianity.

I want to understand and integrate slowly and not just blindly "believe".For me a relationship with one's spiritual self is personal and a lifelong revelation and NOT dependent on priests or "intermediaries".

Also, I don't think of JC like everyone does i.e my "Lord" and "savior" etc. I prefer the direct relationship with "Isness" and Source energy itself. I don't believe I am a "sinner" in need of "saving" at all. Never have.

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posted September 06, 2019 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too need to understand and make sense of my beliefs. The whole blind following thing really puts me off and actually scares me, they're too easily manipulated. My personal planets are all in the 12H or aspecting Neptune and my jupiter is retrograde in the 8H, uranus in sag conjunct my south node and descendant. I was commenting on another post about my north node being exactly on my ascendant and it struck me that I've never followed anyone else my whole life and duh, that applies to religion as well. 12H and Neptune aside, I think my nn/ascendant conjunction set me on my path to find myself without the teachings of anything else. So now I'm paying more attention to everyone's nn and how it's playing a role in their charts when it comes to personal beliefs.

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posted September 06, 2019 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:


I always screen a religious philosophy based on how welcoming it is to the so-called "rejects" of society. It could be that Neptune/Sun both in tight inconjunct aspect to Chiron is responsible for this.But I watch for this.

I also like intellectual insight. I don't prescribe to people who take things "as is" and don't question or reason(could be my Mercury in 9th here). Religious beliefs that are big on rituals and largely purist in approach don't interest me i.e Judaism,Islam or orthodox Christianity.

I want to understand and integrate slowly and not just blindly "believe".For me a relationship with one's spiritual self is personal and a lifelong revelation and NOT dependent on priests or "intermediaries".


Interesting that you mention this, because I used to know an astrologer who was Jewish, and she would post about the rituals on her blog. I enjoyed those.

I don't follow anyone like Joel or Esther. I know of them, and read books, but I don't believe in the law of attraction either. All of them have their good sides, but they all have a "blame the victim" aspect, too. I remember someone talking about how the victim of a crime was "on the same wavelength emotionally" as the person who raped or killed them. That was just too much.

I have Mars in Pisces, and Jupiter trine Neptune, also trine MC. Saturn inconjunct Neptune. I'm open to things, but iffy on the rules set by people preaching them. I'm more of a believer in the kindness of strangers, but I have had a few strange experiences, so I can't completely go against the idea of *something* out there, connecting us.

I light candles for people, as a "just in case" thing, but also because I think they look pretty, it's relaxing. I love old churches.

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posted September 06, 2019 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
.......... I don't follow anyone like Joel or Esther. I know of them, and read books, but I don't believe in the law of attraction either. All of them have their good sides, but they all have a "blame the victim" aspect, too. I remember someone talking about how the victim of a crime was "on the same wavelength emotionally" as the person who raped or killed them. That was just too much.

I found this pill very hard to swallow tbh. But I think when I read Dr.Phil's "you can't own all of it if you deny part of it."

So as much as I can own the good things in life and say "this is as a result of me" or "I did that" etc. Do I then legitimately distance myself from others and say "I am a victim of cirumstance" or "this is someone else's creation and not my own"?

It is either one or the other. Either I am in control or a moss rolling in the wind. Its not half this nor half that. It is either ALL or NOTHING. And I don't like the idea that random things "happen" to me ; where I am "lucky" to be saved or alive etc.

There are too many coincidences and things that have occured to remove me from that frame of references. Some good and others very distressing.

I think I am afraid though tbh. Afraid to take full responsibility for myself-when it would be easier (and expected) to let an external entity be the blame for all that goes awry.

And to be honest, I do blame God for when things go sour. Even as I claim to be the creator of my own experience etc. God is still a convenient scapegoat!


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posted September 06, 2019 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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God is still a convenient scapegoat!

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posted September 06, 2019 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

And to be honest, I do blame God for when things go sour. Even as I claim to be the creator of my own experience etc. God is still a convenient scapegoat!



If I were in a worse mood, I could go into one of my rants about that. I was watching Joan of Arcadia, over the course of a couple of weeks, because that's as close as I get to religion: thinking it might be possible, but believing more in people. I don't like that God gets all of the credit when things go right, but when they go wrong, it isn't his/her fault, if someone dies, it was the person's time, and so on. I think if he/she gets the credit for good things, they can also get the credit for the bad.

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Joel's wife's name is Victoria (not Esther).
Back in the 80s 90s, I used to like to listen to his dad and mom. Joel and Victoria, as a team, have done much towards presenting a positive gospel message of Hope and Grace. Positivity. Seeing the Beauty and the Help Available within in the battles of life.

I'd been watching his astro chart years ago when he went through some Chironic ordeals. He has a beautiful soul, and I appreciate his life, and his work.

TD and I have excellent synastry .
He is a Gemini, and an incredibly PRAGMATIC person when it comes to applying spirituality into your actual work-a-day life.
btw-- He is NOT in support of astrology.
Just want to make that clear.

You Learn. You Pray. You Listen. And you work.
God adds his blessings to the Work that you do.

Many (nonchristian) entrepreneurs flock to him for counsel and advice in the ways of Capitalism.

Observe asteroid 10895 Aynrand in entrepreneurial-based church leaders.

What I really like about the idea of 'church' is that it provides the (Saturn/Capricorn) skeleton, the bones, an organized established and proven working-model for Community.

It's the Cooperative Village idea. Important in providing safety-network for those involved, with satellite-villages for those villages, as a pod and place for one to Serve in an extended-family concept.

Partnership.
You yourself pledge as member to Give of what you have from your own talents resources and experience, and ideally, you can count on receiving from Others who freely give of their own time and talents to assist any areas with shortfalls, and to further strengthen and develop what IS working "already" for better use.

There is Strength in Numbers.
There is Health and Wisdom in a Multitude of Counselors.

No one should be alone--
as this places them at terrible disadvantage and prey, needing to handle solo-weights that are more than --(or an impossible expectation for)-- an individual to bear by themselves.

The church's ordered and organized system template was designed with compartmentalized functions, to Serve the whole body-- And, with parts of those also in systems with various specialized functions-- for the aggregate whole. The Equipping of the Saints-(members). For spiritual maturation and development (improves everyday individual lives).

Access to Many Hands, make work Burdens Light.

EACH person has a Purpose, and they are embraced and included-- given Welcome and are Utilized as a valued part of the 'Common-Unity'.

People become attracted to various spiritual styles--

For me?..
I'm a SUPER finicky-picky connoisseur when it comes to 'what/who' I choose to listen to-- in order to feed and grow my soul and spirit, and, to education myself.

Music is the FIRST consideration and a door-opener for me!!! haha. Then, the preaching-teaching HAS to be anointed. And I 'know' the difference. LOL

I'm 64yo, and have been on a Quest as a spiritual seeker (I'd say, even from my birth????).

Every congregation has its own personality and group signature, as well as (karmic) lessons to grow through.

{see delineations of types of these in Book of Revelation, last chapter of Bible}

I get so disgusted at some of what I hear in religious/philosophy circles. OFF-path, un-anointed, shallow, BORING??!! lol, and sometimes even pretty ~bizarre.
-- (Said from broad-span of everything I've ever had involvement with. My 'experience bank.')

Looking back on my life, I'd say that the MAIN DRIVING FORCE behind my entire life has Been a Search for God, and to KNOW God Better and Better. It's been THE underlying energy behind ALL that I've ever done. Everything.

It's truly refreshing and nurturing when I can tap into something that TRULY feeds me. And this in turn, enormously helps me to feed Others.

What appeals MOST to me is The Anointing.

When the delineation of the Word, and The Music is blessed/anointed, there is no struggle to digest what's going on.

When The Presence is there, The Holy Spirit opens the message out Within you. The Holy Spirit is the teacher/Teacher that speaks and Validates the truth of what you Hear inside you. You're in the Flow.. and bathed by Holy palpable sub-perceived effluvium substance. Astral humidity bath.

In my lifetime, I've spent quality time in an assortment of kinds of Christian churches.
Was even into eastern philosophy groups for some short whiles in sections of my life.
Had been involved in New Age study groups concurrently with other faith systems, during the time I was an earlier teen through to my 30s.
Spent time as a postulant in R.C. cloistered monastery {mystical}.
Spent a year within a Messianic Jewish congregation.

WHAT a gorgeous experience when (like a phlebotomist, or a mosquito), you are able to Tap-into the Flow of The Spiritual Cosmic Nectar.. and River.

haha.
I guess that also makes me a spiritual addict? You can find/sense God's Presence in sooo many things.

You can come Aware to perceive the GodPixels, like the illuminated pegs on a light-board..
like the individual stars speckled through the night sky.

One of my attractions to astrology {and the Cosmos} had BEEN that it increased my Love for God, and the Majesty He displays through His Works. It enhanced my Worship experience, Glorifying God the Creator, through His Marvelous GENIUS in Ordering the intricate SkyClock.

He gave us (children) a Toy, that has practical applications.
But-- why stop there?
The Toy implies there's a Cosmic Toy&Clock-Maker!!!

Seek the Heart of The Maker-and-Creator of all things that were manifested.

I don't and cannot "worship" the actual rock-planets and the stars as god. These are only a Product of His Creativity.

I Worship 'The Beautiful One' who MADE them.

I can appreciate very much delving into the "mythical archetypes" with stories and traits to be found apparent in modern day human behaviors and personality. Very relevant!!!! (and love the asteroids!!) But (for me) I study not in order to 'worship' these mythic greek roman gods and goddesses, but to explore the incredible synchronicities that are present.

These are only images and ideas, that POINT to the Author of them. Myths, Archetypes-- are Part of God's Artistry and Unique Expressions. INFINITE boundless weave of Beauty.

Again, these are only the various PIXELS and Hints at revealing Who He is--

Oh--- I call God 'He' only because that was my training and orientation for 64 years.

God embraces BOTH the feminine and masculine energetic levels together! God is 'There' as Needed--
{I AM that I-Am .. however you need me to BE in your life}.

God in the Feminine is called the "Well-Breasted One"-- El Shaddai.

God is. And God is a Never-Changing backdrop like the black cloth of Space, that encloses and encompasses Everything!, and is ALWAYS interesting.

He is Detailed, like a spark that glints off the face of a fiery jewel-- always interesting, new, and fresh, never ever boring.

The God who Changes Not, reveals aspects of who he is within me. What is outwardly perceived through the Eyes of my Imagination, is Inwardly there, and Projected.
What is withIN, is recognized withOUT in all I see.

Maybe its hard to describe?

Some say that God is "only" within you..?
But more...

If you think about a Human Being on Earth.
The Human is on the earth,
breathing-in this atmosphere.
Without Atmosphere, ALL is naught.

God Inside and Out--


Without the invisible Air and Atmosphere over us, providing the needed Oxygen, we would NOT exist inside a Human Body.

God is as much a Part of Us as Oxygen.

In Him.. We Live, and Move, and Have our Beingness.
{scripture}

God Within, -- Present IN and OUTSIDE of us --,
is as the marvel of Oxygen-exchanges occurring in the process of Biological Respiration. God is BOTH In my Cells, and In the Air around me.

I Breathe Him. He is in my Cells.
I can feel His Wind.
I am sensitive to the Changes of Personality in His Various Expressions.
It's a TOTALLY Intimate life-giving, life-exchanging Relationship.

When Plugged In,
it's like having an antenna on a TV.
With no antenna Connection?--
life-itself can be bland and ugly.

GOD is the Beauty I find in Living Things--
in the People I see every day {whom He Created}.

When I walk the sidewalks in town, it's such a Joy to Meet-Eyes (spiritually) with Others who are ALSO Plugged in.

They can come from ALL various religious expressions--
(I call eastern a 'religion' too; it's an organized system of beliefs).

When a person has Plugged into an Expression of God, there is a palpable sense-Difference in that person.

Some teachers preachers fail when they see their OWN self as being god. They FORGET that they are here to be Servants and Channels. It's NOT about *them*.. God strives to get Messages THROUGH them. It's about being a vessel. It's about The People they are assigned to Serve.

{That was the edge of mistake and downfall of 1930 Lucifer. We EACH have this indicated in our charts. It stands as an impediment sometimes, until you 'Get' what you're supposed to be and do, with what you are assigned to carry forth into the world.}

Some exalt their own self. Their own name.
They do things 'by' their own arm (unconsciously), and call it "Of God."

_____________

So. I say all those things, being a Life-Long religious INSIDER.

Until you've been IN the "swimming pool" and have experienced 'Wet', then you're an outside-observer and really can't imagine (or judge) the whole experience. Observers can only go by the crispy shallow things they have heard of.

This applies to every kind of Belief System.
Unless you've Walked FAR into the immersion-experience of whatever journey, you're still a tourist reading its brochures and pamphlets?! LOL

You have to have a Direct experience for your own self. I'm not talking church, or rules and doctrines. I'm speaking of the "One-on-One Available".. to tap into-- like the Air you Breathe.

Don't intellectualize it and hold it 'apart' from you, and claim that you Know.


Yeah. There's a LOT OF CRAP found impersonating itself as Belonging to The Christ.

Be a Fruit-Watcher. Know them By The Spirit.

For yourself, YOU have to jump in with Both Feet. Not just on a shallow intellectual Sunday-Christian type of level-- but bring a living breathing expression of "The Christ" in you, into the Week, on your job, and into your EveryDay world.

Everyone was born with a "God Seed" inside them, in their Heart. Everyone has a soul and spirit, and because THIS belongs to Source, it functions and acts as a Tag or Homing-Device installed.

This Device has to be "activated".

That's the Holy Spirit's job {The Awakening Spirit}.
People are sensing it..
The Spirit takes you into a Sense-HighDefinition with ONLINE capabilities.

When you Connect-In,
and with time develop your spirit muscles,
the Spirit's World opens vistas.

metaphorically again.....
You can look at a House from your yard inspecting the outside.
But once you Enter and Explore the house (spirituality), then it becomes another world available to you.

Some people don't know there's an Attic with an elaborate HVAC blowing Oxygenated Air through each of the rooms in the House.

Some remain stilted and in the 'box' of a plain 4 wall room, not knowing that they are a part of a very elaborate Mansion.

There are a lot of parts of Christianity that people have 'heard' of and react to, without thorough understanding. (Again, the "pool" analogy.. you have to listen to Context, BY someone who Understands it.)

Not every teacher or preacher does..
Just because they wear the outfit, the vestments, the label-- doesn't mean they Know. Awake.

It takes The Spirit to OPEN the Eyes of The Understanding. God chooses.

*~
(music) E'en So, Lord Jesus, Quickly Come (Paul Manz, perf by Kansas City Chorale) [2:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCut48BRwEs

(music) God Be in My Head (John Rutter and Cambridge Singers) [1:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGMcFt61yjo
*~

In News--
MANY of the sicknesses and PERVERSIONS still being revealed in the religion churches these past decades, do NOT portray Christ and his message. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater? These are HURTING The People, the Victimized, and Christ's reputation.

God is Cleaning House right now, concerning these.


GOD... as Living Oxygen !!!!

(music) Breathe (Michael W. Smith, lyrics) [6:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-0EgzOWkvc

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I personally don't believe, but I've had experiences. I've also read different ideas as to what one of those experiences might have been. When I thought I saw an angel, when I was three, I've always thought that might be a good thing, but the neighbour who was over that night, made a sign of the cross on her chest, and told my mother to call her; said that she would leave the phone off the hook once she did - she saw it as a very bad sign. One of the books I read on past lives, said experiences like that weren't angels, but spirits visiting. I don't know that I believe that either. I'm open to things, but that's it.

Until I get any direct proof, I'll keep appreciating the kindness of strangers, and the people in my life.

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