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Dons2angelss
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posted September 08, 2019 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My cousin had her baby about an hour ago,here is her chart. Heavy Earth with moon/pluto/saturn/sn in the 1st house. Any thoughts?

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posted September 08, 2019 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 08, 2019 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 17, 2019 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 29, 2019 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HatshepsutDescartes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That isn't a great indicator for a good mother, imo. Even though the childhood & home environment looks as if it'll be very pleasant... So, who knows...

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posted September 29, 2019 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
Thank you ♡

OK. Now that that is out of the way. I am looking at that Moon-Saturn conjunction in the 1st house & that sounds to me like this baby is going to be a "little adult"

How is the relationship of the cousin with her daugher? Sat/Moon conj in Cap suggests that affection is lacking or not sufficient.Add to that Ura in 4th house. Yikes!

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posted September 29, 2019 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cthonicstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congrats!!

I see a serious child with the Grand Earth trine, and a stubborn streak! It's possible this child will grow to be an all work and no play type of person if not encouraged to relax more often.

Hobbies, hobbies, hobbies are a must to balance out that Virgo stellium! The good news is I believe the Virgo stellium will soften the Capricorn 1st House. Try to encourage the sensitive, caring side.

As long as this kid has space to express themself and is given the tools to create balance in their life, they'll be fine. This kid has been blessed with many gifts!

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posted September 29, 2019 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
OK. Now that that is out of the way. I am looking at that Moon-Saturn conjunction in the 1st house & that sounds to me like this baby is going to be a "little adult"

How is the relationship of the cousin with her daugher? Sat/Moon conj in Cap suggests that affection is lacking or not sufficient.Add to that Ura in 4th house. Yikes!


She's very young. 20 years old but seems to be doing very well. I had a bad feeling when I first found out she was pregnant but so far, things are looking good. I don't see the father sticking around and they're really poor. They live a few states away so I haven't seen with my own eyes but my cousins home life isn't ideal. I worry for the baby.

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posted September 29, 2019 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
Congrats!!

I see a serious child with the Grand Earth trine, and a stubborn streak! It's possible this child will grow to be an all work and no play type of person if not encouraged to relax more often.

Hobbies, hobbies, hobbies are a must to balance out that Virgo stellium! The good news is I believe the Virgo stellium will soften the Capricorn 1st House. Try to encourage the sensitive, caring side.

As long as this kid has space to express themself and is given the tools to create balance in their life, they'll be fine. This kid has been blessed with many gifts!


I'll definitely pass that on! Thank you.

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posted September 30, 2019 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
She's very young. 20 years old but seems to be doing very well. I had a bad feeling when I first found out she was pregnant but so far, things are looking good. I don't see the father sticking around and they're really poor. They live a few states away so I haven't seen with my own eyes but my cousins home life isn't ideal. I worry for the baby.

Hmmm, its interesting that you mention the father not sticking around.His symbolic "absence" or lack of assertive presence is suggested by Sun(solar 5th house ruler) as well as Venus(natal 5th house ruler) in opposition to Neptune.

Could it also be possible the father doubted /doubts paternity? Neptune is also about being unsure or feeling "blindsided".Or at least feeling a sense of "wipeout" in the areas it touches.

The poor conditions you describe are in keeping with austere Saturn in natal 1st conj Moon & square Ic.There is a sense of feeling like a "burden",the environment being less than affectionate towards the child or them having to learn to "grow up" quickly etc.

I agree with sentiment that the Asc is the "role" one is conditioned into because of familiar family patterns or the domestic environment.

Even if in this instance they were "rich" etc, she(the child)would still feel the might or pressure of Saturn -perhaps not necessarily through money but through having to uphold the family reputation i.e being an over-achiever or behaving well in public etc.

Saturn in house 1 children often feel like they have to "earn" their keep(this especially when Saturn aspects Moon and/or Ic as is the case here). They tend to take care of their parents in some way or are forced to bypass the "child" role by reserving their own wants/ feelings/need or "childish" impulses for parental attention in order to help "unburden" everyone else & be the dependable child etc.

So they start to learn that they are "congratulated" for being "mature", "wise", "responsible","emotionally independent" etc. they assume this role and make it another's responsibility(typically their "enemy" /partner) to be the "needy","babylike" and emotionally "demanding " one etc.(7th/Dsc is in Cancer).

Capricorn tends to dislike people who are emotionally "demanding" or self involved i.e
"I want..." ,"How about how I feel?" etc.And that could be because these people represent their shadow nature that they have been told to suppress and not let be seen by others.

And so when others behave like this in public, to Capricorn it's "embarrassing" or "cringe-worthy".They absolutely feel uncomfortable around such people at first blush.

But over time, the repulsion evolves to attraction-as these people may fulfill hidden needs/wants they never knew or forgotten that they have.

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posted September 30, 2019 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can see her mother having more children and her having to help raise them. That would fit in with the having to grow up fast aspects of Saturn in the 1H. That uranus in the 4H can be a hard one to deal with. I've seen it in other charts where the home life was very hectic. My youngest son has uranus exactly on his IC and his life is split between his father's house and mine but without all of the chaos. It's what he's known since he was born and his Aquarius moon handles it extremely well, I actually think he prefers it this way but, with such a heavy moon in the 1H, I don't see this child handling such a chaotic home. A lack of air could cause a very narrow point of view.... My own chart lol.

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posted October 01, 2019 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I can see her mother having more children and her having to help raise them. That would fit in with the having to grow up fast aspects of Saturn in the 1H. That uranus in the 4H can be a hard one to deal with. I've seen it in other charts where the home life was very hectic.

My youngest son has uranus exactly on his IC and his life is split between his father's house and mine but without all of the chaos. It's what he's known since he was born and his Aquarius moon handles it extremely well, I actually think he prefers it this way.

With such a heavy moon in the 1H, I don't see this child handling such a chaotic home. A lack of air could cause a very narrow point of view.... My own chart lol.


If we are introduced to a certain way of life when young (no matter how "dysfunctional") it becomes our point of familiarity and what we think is "safe".

Your son has Aqua moon.I have Aqua Ceres. We are similar in that we both see an open and changing environment as nurturing.

The "chaos" u speak of is not "chaos" to the other person who grew up not knowing any different. It's life.

The Uranus in 4th house is the "your safety is not guaranteed at home" aspect too-either emotional or physical safety.

So the question always is :Will the lights be switched off tonight? We can't say. Will there be something to eat tomorrow? Maybe.Will I be warm tonight?Who knows.

The native learns to live in a constant state of survival mode (if extreme).The idea is to just keep improvising or making contingency plans for "just in case" in life,but not being able to be at a point of being emotionally stable enough to make long-term plans or relax. Cap Asc find it hard to relax and can become worried and anxious a lot.

I see in the chart, the 2nd house cusp is Aqua and the 2nd house cusp ruler is in the 4th house.So what seems to be of paramount importance to the native in terms of emotional
security (Ic) are survival needs (2nd house ruler in 4th).

The Gallaghers on "Shameless" have a Uranus home-life inspired by a deadbeat strongly afflicted Jupiter father (Frank) and totaĺly irresponsible Neptune mother(Monica).

Fiona (the eldest daughter)imo has Saturn in 1st with Moon in 3rd house/Ic in Gem.If not the latter then atleast Saturn/Uranus in aspect with Sun/Moon.As she takes on the mother/father role for her siblings and develops a "meddling " complex which annoys Lip (2nd eldest) and progressively Liam (3rd)
too.

Their homelife is very chaotic to people outside looking in but it's normal to them. In fact,it seems they can never fully "escape" from it no matter how high up the ladder they may temporarily climb.

If the mother has more kids, there may not be enough love to go around. So others learn to go without. I see this Saturn/Moon in 1st or 4th also present in kids who have a sibling with special needs ie. The parents are so "spent" caring for that sibling that there is nothing left over for the other Saturn child

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posted October 01, 2019 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for breaking down this chart. We've been focusing on the moon/saturn in the first, but what about Pluto and south node being thrown in the mix? I can see how a conjunction would play out but I get lost when we have 3 or more in a bunch, especially if they're with the south node.

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posted October 02, 2019 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe my focus on it is largely because it sets the tone for the chart.

Sun/Mars in 8th suggests an individual that is very layered.Sun/Moon in 8th would certainly suggest a native whom is complex and requires more emotional closeness than most people (in fact Sun/Moon in 4th/12th are this way too)

Since the Sun and Mars are in Virgo,this intimacy is craved 1st from a fundamentally mental level before the physical. And the native will likely be very PICKY in love too-Venus(ruler of the 5th) is in Virgo.

But the needs are deeply hidden as there are fears of those needs not being met and so one keeps them hidden. And this ties into Saturn energy of restrictions in the 1st house.

The South Node in 1st is the emphasis of cutting oneself off from being dependent emotionally on others(Cap).So this is the default mode(SN)

But what will be necessary for her is to form alliances with others(7th)based on emotional receptivity and closeness (Cancer N.Node).

This will be tough since there is so much momentum on making it on one's own (Pluto in 1st opposes North node).


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posted October 02, 2019 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hierophantom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, congrats!


I've taken a look at the chart and see the north node in cancer in 7. This means in her south node is in capricorn in 1. In her previous life she focussed on being selfsufficient and provided for her self. She learned how to stand on her own en to provide.
In this lifetime she has chosen the path to develop her nurturing side and to function in a marital relationship. This will help her soul grow. She knows how to provide for herself so now she may learn to share herself. This will feel uncomfortable at first, because her comfortzone is standing on her own, in her own safety. She could have an urge to find true love and having a fairytale marriage. Happily ever after.

Her virgo stellium could be balanced out by her pisces Nepune. This means music will be her outlet for any emotions. She could really be moved by music and let her escape from all the daily stress.
However, Neptune is the planet of escapism, of dreamrealities and Neptune in pisces could be very prone to use drugs as an escape from everyday reality. Also the bad side effects would be extra bad for her. So music would be the more healthy approach for escaping.
I would suggest early music lessons so she can really lose herself into the instrument.

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posted October 02, 2019 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congrats!

quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I am looking at that Moon-Saturn conjunction in the 1st house & that sounds to me like this baby is going to be a "little adult"

Sat/Moon conj in Cap suggests that affection is lacking or not sufficient.Add to that Ura in 4th house. Yikes!


Exactly. this is the first thing I saw.
Saturn conjunct Moon in Cap might indicate that the natove has to take care of a sibling. I've seen this in cases where the native has to take care of their sick mother or have to take care of younger relatives (brothers/cousins etc).

Then the North Node in 7th H with all those oppositions..

No good 2nd/6th/10th H placements for money, but at least it's a super earthy chart so the native will probably be someone who works hard.

I might be wrong but Jupiter in 12th H feels like a wasted placement for Jupiter. It would be better pretty much anywhere else although 10th or 8th H are the best imo.

The last thing I saw are his/her Neptune hard aspects. If we're talking about a baby boy.. Mars in hard aspect to Neptune indicates a father who is absent literally or not. Or a father who makes the native feel "less of a man". I don't know women with this aspect but I suspect it's not as bad.

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posted October 02, 2019 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for all of your knowledge aries 😊

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