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posted September 10, 2019 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverymoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What kind of woman does he want? I know one with this aspect. He has pisces venus conjunct lilith opposite his virgo moon. Generally, he is very kind,like really kind but also very serious and rather cold or distant.

What kind of woman would suitable for him? Will conjunction to both his venus and moon in synastry fulfilled him on both sides? Let say woman's ascendant in conjunction to his venus-lilith, and woman's eros in conjunction to his moon.

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posted September 10, 2019 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus /Moon hard aspects suggests decisions the native must make that may either alienate their immediate support structure(Moon) or limit their freedom of association outside of their immediate support structure(Venus).

The opposition between the two suggests an inability to merge the Venus and Moon in the natives psyche. So the coping mechanism is often to separate them or treat them as detached from each other i.e East is east and west is west.And never will the two meet.

So for Venus- friendships, associates, romantic partnerships , self-esteem etc. to be opposed to Moon-mental psyche, comfort, emotional security and support.

Venus-Moon opp suggests the lack of emotional support(Moon) for your preferences(Ven). Either you are forced to choose your support base(Moon) and reject your passion(Venus). Or you embrace your passion(Venus) but have to endure the rejection of your support base(Moon).

The woman he likes(Venus), his family may not approve of(Moon). Or he may conceal doing something that he enjoys(Venus) because it is not supported by those close to him(Moon).

Prince Harry has the inconjunct. He married a woman (Ven) that the British public disapproves of(Moon). And the fact that she is 'American', opposes his background that much more etc.

People often call this the "infidelity" aspect. In that the native may marry one person whom "fits" the family (Moon) but be inlove with someone who does not(Ven)

Its interesting to note that King Edward VIII had the wide square between Moon and Venus( and it works similar to the opposition as the themes are the same with the planet involved).

His family(Moon) did not approve of his lover and did not support the relationship. But he certainly loved her dearly(Venus). And the two worlds couldn't co-exist (square)

He had the throne to take care of and duties to his royal lineage. But that meant he needed to break off the relationship disapproved of by his family.

So given also his rebellious Aqua Asc with Neptune square Moon, he distanced himself from his family instead and chose his lover -thereby abdicating the throne.


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posted September 10, 2019 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have a moon/venus opposition (with moon on my descendant and venus on my ascendant) i don't really have a particular type i just care about whether or not i connect with someone

not big on monogamy though, and i'm bi and honestly prefer being with both a woman and a man at the same time

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posted September 10, 2019 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Venus /Moon hard aspects suggests decisions the native must make that may either alienate their immediate support structure(Moon) or limit their freedom of association outside of their immediate support structure(Venus).

The opposition between the two suggests an inability to merge the Venus and Moon in the natives psyche. So the coping mechanism is often to separate them or treat them as detached from each other i.e East is east and west is west.And never will the two meet.

So for Venus- friendships, associates, romantic partnerships , self-esteem etc. to be opposed to Moon-mental psyche, comfort, emotional security and support.

Venus-Moon opp suggests the lack of emotional support(Moon) for your preferences(Ven). Either you are forced to choose your support base(Moon) and reject your passion(Venus). Or you embrace your passion(Venus) but have to endure the rejection of your support base(Moon).

The woman he likes(Venus), his family may not approve of(Moon). Or he may conceal doing something that he enjoys(Venus) because it is not supported by those close to him(Moon).

Prince Harry has the inconjunct. He married a woman (Ven) that the British public disapproves of(Moon). And the fact that she is 'American', opposes his background that much more etc.

People often call this the "infidelity" aspect. In that the native may marry one person whom "fits" the family (Moon) but be inlove with someone who does not(Ven)

Its interesting to note that King Edward VIII had the wide square between Moon and Venus( and it works similar to the opposition as the themes are the same with the planet involved).

His family(Moon) did not approve of his lover and did not support the relationship. But he certainly loved her dearly(Venus). And the two worlds couldn't co-exist (square)

He had the throne to take care of and duties to his royal lineage. But that meant he needed to break off the relationship disapproved of by his family.

So given also his rebellious Aqua Asc with Neptune square Moon, he distanced himself from his family instead and chose his lover -thereby abdicating the throne.


my family got along with my ex fiancee and vice versa, i havent told them about anyone else i've been with though

even when they've met them they thought they were just friends and they obviously dont know about the threesomes and so on

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posted September 10, 2019 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rzgemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 11, 2019 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
my family got along with my ex fiancee and vice versa, i havent told them about anyone else i've been with though

even when they've met them they thought they were just friends and they obviously dont know about the threesomes and so on


I would love to read a book that you'd publish. I don't know if I could be that liberal sexually.I dream of being a porn star Can you believe it?

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have a moon/venus opposition (with moon on my descendant and venus on my ascendant) i don't really have a particular type i just care about whether or not i connect with someone

not big on monogamy though, and i'm bi and honestly prefer being with both a woman and a man at the same time


This right here is how I think it would manifest in your case. The mix of of the Moon and Venus opposition is symbolically represented by your dual needs.

With most people its difficult to express both desires without the fear of the spouse or friends rejecting the native. So they may hide one(typically Venus).

There is my colleague who married in his 20's.He declares that he loves his wife dearly and appreciates his life "as is".

But even as he says this,he has been having relationships with men for years. And the common thread with all these men is that he is attracted to is that they are all black.

During his days, it was taboo to date across colour lines let alone come out the closet and declare oneself as bisexual(one could even get ostracized and lose social benefits etc). He has Moon in Scorpio opp Venus in Taurus tight opposition.

With Moon/Venus difficult aspects there is always a choice or dilemma faced by the native.Infact I would go as far as to say that this is the common theme with ALL difficult aspects. In that the native WANTS to express both but their simultaneous expression is many times impossible or impractical.

If one could have both without reproach, one would. But typically that doesn't happen- so one separates one from the other-In an effort to be satisfied.

A woman with this aspect for instance,would feel drawn to one guy emotionally(feeling more secure).But then drawn to another physically(Venus). And perhaps the two guys are miles apart in both physical appearance and personality etc.

Or if we take that out of the context of relationships, she could find it difficult to distinguish her wants(Ven) from her needs(Moon). Perhaps seeing both as equally important and thus making questionable decisions with her finances etc.

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posted September 12, 2019 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aries23Degrees:


******* around with pictures and video can be a good time, you don't necessarily have to make money off it but that actually does surprise me

me writing about my life would be like some brett easton ellis, hubert selby jr, irvine welsh type **** honestly

i think in my case i can't hide that i'm bi so it was never really an option that i had the luxury of thinking about, even in elementary school peers always picked up on it

i've heard having the 8th house ruler conjunct ascendant can indicate very noticeable sexuality and my 8th is taurus and then libra venus conjunct libra ascendant could be part of it (im sure the 1st house pluto adds to it too)

also my north node being 7th house on my descendant probably adds emphasis to that part of my life along with venus/ascendant and moon/descendant being both part of a t-square with my cap mars and a kite with sag uranus and leo mercury all making that opposition in my chart extremely prominent

venus being my chart ruler too likely adds to it as well

it's a focal point in a lot of ways ultimately

that being said i was raised catholic and did have difficulty with it from family and so on as a result so i've dealt with the ostracism and all that

it's gotten better as i've gotten older and as a teenager i found crowds where it was a non issue but again when it's right out there in the open regardless of what you do that luxury of not dealing with the negatives isnt there

i'm very cut off from the majority of my family for many reasons, and that was one of the wedges

your friend's situation is why i'm upfront with people on my feelings about monogamy because while i can be extremely loyal that isn't something i can do

i don't think it's possible for one person to fit me like that without me ever wanting something else even if i spent my life with them but i also couldn't go behind someone's back like that and lie and put all that garbage in between me and someone i loved

lack of openness between you and a person you're with creates too much division ultimately and throws everything off balance in ways that are hard to come back from

you never get that full acceptance from them and they never get a real choice when it comes to being with you

too unfair for me

does he have uranus aspecting the opposition at all? i've had people point to that as a possible indicator for me along with my loose mars/neptune conjunction

outside of the context of sex i have a long history of trading financial security for drugs and fun, which has resulted in a lot of problems on its own and added more distance between family and i

lot of **** there really

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posted September 12, 2019 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@Aries23Degrees:

******* around with pictures and video can be a good time, you don't necessarily have to make money off it but that actually does surprise me

me writing about my life would be like some brett easton ellis, hubert selby jr, irvine welsh type **** honestly

i think in my case i can't hide that i'm bi so it was never really an option that i had the luxury of thinking about, even in elementary school peers always picked up on it

i've heard having the 8th house ruler conjunct ascendant can indicate very noticeable sexuality and my 8th is taurus and then libra venus conjunct libra ascendant could be part of it (im sure the 1st house pluto adds to it too)

also my north node being 7th house on my descendant probably adds emphasis to that part of my life along with venus/ascendant and moon/descendant being both part of a t-square with my cap mars and a kite with sag uranus and leo mercury all making that opposition in my chart extremely prominent

venus being my chart ruler too likely adds to it as well

it's a focal point in a lot of ways ultimately

that being said i was raised catholic and did have difficulty with it from family and so on as a result so i've dealt with the ostracism and all that

it's gotten better as i've gotten older and as a teenager i found crowds where it was a non issue but again when it's right out there in the open regardless of what you do that luxury of not dealing with the negatives isnt there

i'm very cut off from the majority of my family for many reasons, and that was one of the wedges

your friend's situation is why i'm upfront with people on my feelings about monogamy because while i can be extremely loyal that isn't something i can do

i don't think it's possible for one person to fit me like that without me ever wanting something else even if i spent my life with them but i also couldn't go behind someone's back like that and lie and put all that garbage in between me and someone i loved

lack of openness between you and a person you're with creates too much division ultimately and throws everything off balance in ways that are hard to come back from

you never get that full acceptance from them and they never get a real choice when it comes to being with you

too unfair for me

does he have uranus aspecting the opposition at all? i've had people point to that as a possible indicator for me along with my loose mars/neptune conjunction

outside of the context of sex i have a long history of trading financial security for drugs and fun, which has resulted in a lot of problems on its own and added more distance between family and i

lot of **** there really


I didn't know that about the 8th house ruler in 1st? Hmmm, I thought it would be the 5th. Since its the 5th house that deals with sexual orientation.Or at least that's what I read.

Venus/Sun/Mars/Pluto/Uranus in 1st ime, tend to be promiment in people that come out early in their lives. Or those whom others "assume" are gay/bi/ straight.

Pluto/Uranus in 1st tend to "upset" others by being by being very upfront about it.This also includes Ven/Mars in aspect to Uranus/Pluto. Or Sun in aspect to Pluto or Uranus.

I agree that Ven in aspect to Uranus insists on freedom with regards to attraction. And I do like what you said about your Ven-Mo wanting to total "this is who I am " acceptance.

But I do think that Uranus in aspect to Venus/Moon may be the "I don't give a damn" insistence.This guy I speak of has "what will people say " Saturn on Moon/ Ven

In as far as arranging your priorities is concerned,it will come to you eventually. Its trial and error, eventually you will reach equilibrium.

The guy in question emphasizes te family/security and safety more. He got married young. And for him, he flet it necessary.

What is slowly coming to fruition now for him, is how deeply the desire to be with a man is. For so long his honored his Moon, that his Venus is extremely active to a point where I worry about how careless he can be.

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posted September 12, 2019 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I didn't know that about the 8th house ruler in 1st? Hmmm, I thought it would be the 5th. Since its the 5th house that deals with sexual orientation.Or at least that's what I read.

Venus/Sun/Mars/Pluto/Uranus in 1st ime, tend to be promiment in people that come out early in their lives. Or those whom others "assume" are gay/bi/ straight.

Pluto/Uranus in 1st tend to "upset" others by being by being very upfront about it.This also includes Ven/Mars in aspect to Uranus/Pluto. Or Sun in aspect to Pluto or Uranus.

I agree that Ven in aspect to Uranus insists on freedom with regards to attraction. And I do like what you said about your Ven-Mo wanting to total "this is who I am " acceptance.

But I do think that Uranus in aspect to Venus/Moon may be the "I don't give a damn" insistence.This guy I speak of has "what will people say " Saturn on Moon/ Ven

In as far as arranging your priorities is concerned,it will come to you eventually. Its trial and error, eventually you will reach equilibrium.

The guy in question emphasizes te family/security and safety more. He got married young. And for him, he flet it necessary.

What is slowly coming to fruition now for him, is how deeply the desire to be with a man is. For so long his honored his Moon, that his Venus is extremely active to a point where I worry about how careless he can be.


in placidus mine is technically in the 12th just conjunct the ascendant, but yeah ive heard 8th due to the 8th association with sex

though my 5th house ruler (uranus) sextiles my ascendant/venus anyway

i'm not really vocal in your face or anything im just myself and that's usually all it takes

and that makes sense when you put one before the other to that extent it'll hit a point where you **** up

i think given the kite and libra energy it's different for me though i do have some level of desire to just settle which would come at a price at this point in my life

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posted September 13, 2019 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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in placidus mine is technically in the 12th just conjunct the ascendant, but yeah ive heard 8th due to the 8th association with sex

though my 5th house ruler (uranus) sextiles my ascendant/venus anyway

i'm not really vocal in your face or anything im just myself and that's usually all it takes

and that makes sense when you put one before the other to that extent it'll hit a point where you **** up

i think given the kite and libra energy it's different for me though i do have some level of desire to just settle which would come at a price at this point in my life


I always feel like when we are ready to settle, we tend to feel it from a fundamental level as to change progressively BEFORE meeting the party with whom we are do the settling.

I met someone that I really feel so deeply for(despite my efforts to get away from him) and I feel like I have no control on whether or not we are going to come together. Ever! But the feelings linger on.

On his side, they do too. He has confirmed this many times by asking "who are wasting your time on this time?" Arrogantly suggesting that I am only supposed to be with him etc. Lol.

I think tthe world is full of colourful people and there is someone even for the "weirdest" among us. I met a couple in "throuple"( 2 guys and one girl).And they seem quite stable and content.

So people everywhere are defining happiness for themselves Its only a matter of attracting someone like-minded I guess which is tricky really.


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posted September 13, 2019 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aries23Degrees:

i'm not sure if it's a desire to be with one person or just feeling like finding someone with a more stable personality will come with that and being willing to settle more if that's the case at this current point in my life

ultimately my ex is very unstable with constant emotional extremes and being with her was like spending almost 15 years on a rollercoaster that started speeding up and getting more intense with every passing year

being single for the first time in forever (since hs) and choosing to spend time alone instead of jumping into something new (admittedly a really bad date/one night stand with this guy when retrograde saturn was exact squaring my venus helped me want that isolation) made me realize that there's a definite desire for something that's calmer and more stable with someone things are more balanced with

because the thing with her was this complete unwillingness to self reflect and improve on a meaningful level and seek help for her issues etc, me even suggesting she had any was a huge source of friction and she had a tendency to blame me for her actions, feelings etc and so on and also for ways her job and other people made her feel

i think a perfect moment that sums up her personality in that regard was her once dropping something off a plate turning to me and saying the plate was stupid and "made" her drop food on the floor (not as a joke, but completely serious and annoyed with the plate)

i care about her obviously, and i hope what she's going through currently (because i know it's a mess she's talked too much about it and that's in spite of her attempts to cover issues up once ive acknowledged she's having them) eventually puts her in a place where she's pushed to reflect because she wont be able to scapegoat me (if she doesnt kill herself with hard drugs and stupid **** before then because she's binging and on/off talking suicide etc) get help etc because i ultimately want what's best for her

as far as finding someone goes i have a really easy time with finding hook ups and casual **** , but it's very rare for me to feel deeper than that though im sure there's someone

it's not something im worried about or in a rush for at this point because i accept that my current situation is what it needs to be for a reason and i'll see it when i'm at a further point though i already acknowledge some of the shifts that have been positive

i've been through enough in life that's taught me that what's meant to happen will and that people and moments etc turn up when the time is right

but yeah through this i'm learning more of what i need from another person and myself and that's something i lost touch with for a long time because i was always focused on my ex and her issues and trying to hold **** together etc

why are you running from your feelings instead of giving the guy a real shot? is it because you feel like it could be deeper? im curious because i actually turned my ex down when she first asked me out because i knew beforehand that it would be extremely serious between us and that seemed intense right then

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posted September 18, 2019 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 18, 2019 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard men with this are usually cheaters.

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posted September 18, 2019 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Aries23Degrees:

i'm not sure if it's a desire to be with one person or just feeling like finding someone with a more stable personality will come with that and being willing to settle more if that's the case at this current point in my life

ultimately my ex is very unstable with constant emotional extremes and being with her was like spending almost 15 years on a rollercoaster that started speeding up and getting more intense with every passing year

being single for the first time in forever (since hs) and choosing to spend time alone instead of jumping into something new (admittedly a really bad date/one night stand with this guy when retrograde saturn was exact squaring my venus helped me want that isolation) made me realize that there's a definite desire for something that's calmer and more stable with someone things are more balanced with

because the thing with her was this complete unwillingness to self reflect and improve on a meaningful level and seek help for her issues etc, me even suggesting she had any was a huge source of friction and she had a tendency to blame me for her actions, feelings etc and so on and also for ways her job and other people made her feel

i think a perfect moment that sums up her personality in that regard was her once dropping something off a plate turning to me and saying the plate was stupid and "made" her drop food on the floor (not as a joke, but completely serious and annoyed with the plate)

i care about her obviously, and i hope what she's going through currently (because i know it's a mess she's talked too much about it and that's in spite of her attempts to cover issues up once ive acknowledged she's having them) eventually puts her in a place where she's pushed to reflect because she wont be able to scapegoat me (if she doesnt kill herself with hard drugs and stupid **** before then because she's binging and on/off talking suicide etc) get help etc because i ultimately want what's best for her

as far as finding someone goes i have a really easy time with finding hook ups and casual **** , but it's very rare for me to feel deeper than that though im sure there's someone

it's not something im worried about or in a rush for at this point because i accept that my current situation is what it needs to be for a reason and i'll see it when i'm at a further point though i already acknowledge some of the shifts that have been positive

i've been through enough in life that's taught me that what's meant to happen will and that people and moments etc turn up when the time is right

but yeah through this i'm learning more of what i need from another person and myself and that's something i lost touch with for a long time because i was always focused on my ex and her issues and trying to hold **** together etc

why are you running from your feelings instead of giving the guy a real shot? is it because you feel like it could be deeper? im curious because i actually turned my ex down when she first asked me out because i knew beforehand that it would be extremely serious between us and that seemed intense right then


One thing I learned personally is to never have a "casual" rendezvous when Saturn is on Sun/Moon or Venus. I am waaay too needy in those periods. It never ends well.

In as far as the guy is concerned, our story stretches for years.Since 2005 actually.And we knew straight up, that we will not be able to separate from each other again.

Its been difficult. He says I hold walls up. I say he is doing the same. I said "I love you" to him, he responded with "I am not sure". My heart a little weary, I pulled back. And he complained that I am building fences up again.

Its a rollercoaster ride really.And one I just want to get off on. Am not interested to see where it goes tbh. I think we dragged it out for too long with very little satisfaction.

Is it love gone bad? Can't say. I still feel so much for him but I am not sure if we will ever make our two worlds one.And perhaps I don't want to. They could just be way too different.

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I heard men with this are usually cheaters.

i've never cheated though i've done grey area things some might consider cheating and i've been the other person

@Aries23Degrees

the issue in my case was that he was too intense, needy, pushy, clingy etc and it was more than i felt like dealing with

he wanted a relationship and me to stay forever (told me he wanted me to be his and **** too) etc and so on and **** that so it was different in that way

everything was fine until after the first time we had sex and then he immediately became offputting to me with how clingy he got and insecure etc

as for your situation with that guy it sounds rough and intense

rollercoaster **** is a lot, my ex was constantly on one and she was draining frequently to the point where the break up has been a relief in a lot of ways

i thought one of us would have to die for me to get out of the promises i made to her lol

with everything though whatever's meant to be will happen and the present and past don't necessarily provide a clear picture of the future

people connect, disconnect, and reconnect when they're meant to so who knows?

maybe by the time you're both old as **** things will be different and that's something you'll both feel until it happens

i get staying guarded though

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posted September 20, 2019 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Aries23Degrees

the issue in my case was that he was too intense, needy, pushy, clingy etc and it was more than i felt like dealing with

he wanted a relationship and me to stay forever (told me he wanted me to be his and **** too) etc and so on and **** that so it was different in that way

everything was fine until after the first time we had sex and then he immediately became offputting to me with how clingy he got and insecure etc

as for your situation with that guy it sounds rough and intense

rollercoaster **** is a lot, my ex was constantly on one and she was draining frequently to the point where the break up has been a relief in a lot of ways

i thought one of us would have to die for me to get out of the promises i made to her lol

with everything though whatever's meant to be will happen and the present and past don't necessarily provide a clear picture of the future

people connect, disconnect, and reconnect when they're meant to so who knows?

maybe by the time you're both old as **** things will be different and that's something you'll both feel until it happens

i get staying guarded though


I am not always sold on the idea that sex changes things for the better tbh. And your example is a clear case of when sex doesn't.It could just make things worse.

It actually reminds me of a regrettable rendezvous I had with a "straight", "never been with a guy before" dude waay back when.

Overnight, I was accused of being a "lay mat" for smiling at a male waiter(ok granted, the waiter was gorgeous).

But the interaction wasn't going towards that direction and he started imagining all sorts of things that lead to weird jealous episodes.

I am really more of the stay "indoors" type of guy etc. But that didn't stop the interrogations from happening And so I will never againdate similar "first time" types. No thank you.

I like what you said about reconnecting with people at a later stage. That. could be true.

Perhaps we will meet up again when we are both too old to keep our walls up? Lol. Funny thing is I told him I might leave the country.And he sounded really sad and abruptly ended the conversation because he "had to" go somewhere urgently.

He is Aqua Sun/Virgo Asc and Moon in Virgo.And perhaps dealing with feelings is tricky for him? Can't say. All in all,he is very odd.

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posted September 20, 2019 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

@Aries23Degrees

the issue in my case was that he was too intense, needy, pushy, clingy etc and it was more than i felt like dealing with

he wanted a relationship and me to stay forever (told me he wanted me to be his and **** too) etc and so on and **** that so it was different in that way

everything was fine until after the first time we had sex and then he immediately became offputting to me with how clingy he got and insecure etc

as for your situation with that guy it sounds rough and intense

rollercoaster **** is a lot, my ex was constantly on one and she was draining frequently to the point where the break up has been a relief in a lot of ways

i thought one of us would have to die for me to get out of the promises i made to her lol

with everything though whatever's meant to be will happen and the present and past don't necessarily provide a clear picture of the future

people connect, disconnect, and reconnect when they're meant to so who knows?

maybe by the time you're both old as **** things will be different and that's something you'll both feel until it happens

i get staying guarded though


I am not always sold on the idea that sex changes things for the better tbh. And your example is a clear case of when sex doesn't.It could just make things worse.

It actually reminds me of a regrettable rendezvous I had with a "straight", "never been with a guy before" dude waay back when.

Overnight, I was accused of being a "lay mat" for smiling at a male waiter(ok granted, the waiter was gorgeous).

But the interaction wasn't going towards that direction and he started imagining all sorts of things that lead to weird jealous episodes.

I am really more of the stay "indoors" type of guy etc. But that didn't stop the interrogations from happening And so I will never againdate similar "first time" types. No thank you.

I like what you said about reconnecting with people at a later stage. That. could be true.

Perhaps we will meet up again when we are both too old to keep our walls up? Lol. Funny thing is I told him I might leave the country.And he sounded really sad and abruptly ended the conversation because he "had to" go somewhere urgently.

He is Aqua Sun/Virgo Asc and Moon in Virgo.And perhaps dealing with feelings is tricky for him? Can't say. All in all,he is very odd.

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posted September 20, 2019 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I have Uranus conjunct ascendant, from the 12th house, and I'm not gay. I've never been attracted to a woman, but I have platonic girl crushes, like Carla Gugino. The, "I want to be her when I grow up" kind of thing.

I have had people assume that I was gay, in the past, because I wasn't boy-crazy. It didn't matter that I'd had mad crushes on specific boys - I wasn't putting myself out there, or panicking about not being asked out on dates, losing my virginity, etc. I was agoraphobic for years, and felt that I had time for all of that. I was absorbed in my art, loved being around my family and any friends we had. I also didn't want to become involved with anyone when I was that badly off anxiety-wise - I knew girls who were meeting a man, and rushing to marry them. Agoraphobic/social phobic girls I knew online (and my sister became one of them). I worried that anyone meeting me like that, would like the fact that I was home all the time, not around that many people, etc - that they might be abusive, or wouldn't like it when I eventually got over it all, and started to live more out in the world. I was suspicious of their motives. I also grew up watching people fall in whatever it was, because it didn't seem like love to me. They'd be happy for a while, then there would be problems. With one guy, a sociopath, he caused trouble. He, I think, is the main reason that I'm so careful, aside from the guy who strangled me, and almost killed me. I used to have nightmares about the sociopath, until I was around the age of nineteen. One guy and his mother semi-stalked me. I told my mother that I would not repeat certain patterns I'd grown up around. Like putting up with a brother-in-law hitting on me, or letting any man come between me and the people in my life.

Uranus/ascendant is inconjunct my Moon/Venus/SN, trine my Mars in Pisces, widely opposed my Ceres/Chiron/Sun. Moon/Venus is widely trine Pluto, and sextile Jupiter, as well as square Mars. I do wonder what I would have been like, if I hadn't dealt with so much fear.

People make so many assumptions about Gemini Venus, and I don't live up to any of it. Then when S told me that I was going to hell, I pointed out that I hadn't done that good of a job of sinning...


I realised after posting that that I actually meant to say ;

"Pluto/Mars/Uranus in 1st or in strong aspect to Sun/5th are likely to come out very early on in life. This including Mars in Scorpio/Aries or Aqua.

But its the Nep/Ven in 1st,Nep/Venus in aspect with Sun/Mars or Sun/Mars in Pisces/Libra which leave people wondering and assuming."

And this is because the latter energies are very "open-ended". In that your Uranus conj Asc from the 12th can create that mixed phenomenon of being both "weird" and "indefinable"

Now add to that your Mars in Pisces and the notion is amplified-as I always think that it is both Aqua and Pisces that leave people with a question mark.

Aqua comez across more assertive about it i.e "I meant to do this" whilst Pisces is more like "you mean to say that I do this?"

Neptune on the Asc or 12th house influences on Mars/Sun etc. can often give the overall impression of a "meek" or "passive" individual in both males and females.

And since society often associates sexuality "uncertainty" with being awkward or indifferent(also Neptune/Uranus influenced), they jump the gun and label it as "gay" etc.

***Sidenote:Why would some idiot of a person tell you you are going to hell? People are so full of spite and fear out there. Hell is where THEY are at when they choose to utter such words. Mxm..

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posted September 20, 2019 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
could a Moon opp Venus in a shared composite
account for one of them trying to bring the other to a nudey beach and push their boundaries to get them on their level to balance out extreme differences in likes and dislikes / taste ?

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