posted September 11, 2019 12:16 PM            

- http://www.astrogeographia.org/about_us/conception_epoch_chart/

I think, mention of the "epoch charts" refers to two styles of charts regarding the entrance of the soul of the individual. Then the author relates these to the natal chart.

hermetic astrology

etheric body
physical body

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To summarize:
the moment of the epoch is the time when the archetype of the physical body known as the spirit seed is sent down to unite with the fertilized egg in the mother's womb. At this moment the soul feels a great sense of loss, amounting to bereavement.
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The spiritual germ of the physical body has already descended to Earth, whereas we still dwell in the spiritual world. And now a vehement feeling of bereavement sets in.

We have lost the spiritual germ of the physical body. This has already arrived below and united itself with the last of those successive generations, which we have watched. We ourselves, however, are still above. The feeling of bereavement becomes violent. And now this feeling of bereavement draws out of the universe the needful ingredients of the world ether. Having sent the spiritual-germ of the physical body down to Earth and remained behind? we draw etheric substance out of the world ether and form our own etheric body.
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Out of this sense of loss begins the weaving of the etheric body from the cosmic ether, parallel to the formation of the physical body (embryo) in the mother's womb.

This is the key significance of the epoch chart:
it indicates the start of life,
the beginning of the formation of both the physical body (through the spirit seed) and the etheric body (in relation to the Moon's orbit of the 'sidereal' zodiac).

Against this background it can be understood why transits to the epoch chart might be significant at the moment of death, which is the moment the etheric body withdraws from the physical body.

In the course of further research into these hitherto hidden and mysterious connections, it became evident that the two epoch charts (hermetic and geocentric) relate to the physical and etheric bodies, respectively.

At conception the 'hermetic chart' - related to the level of the Sun - gives a picture of the spirit seed of the physical body,
and the 'geocentric chart' gives a picture of the primary impulse from the surrounding etheric cosmos on the building up of the etheric body.

Similarly the two birth charts (hermetic and geocentric) relate to the "I" and astral body of the human being.

At birth the hermetic chart,
which is connected with the level of the Sun, reveals the goal of the incarnating human being as an "I" coming into a new incarnation upon the Earth in order to fulfill a destiny.

And the geocentric chart at birth,
which is the traditional astrological chart,
has always been called the "map of the soul" -
this clearly relating to the level of the astral body,
which is the bearer of the soul (sometimes called the soul body).

posted September 11, 2019 03:16 PM            

The vocabulary used is rather unfamiliar to me, making it quite hard to parse (I guess I need to read up on theosophy?), but what I do understand at least confirms the potential importance of this chart.

"At conception the 'hermetic chart' - related to the level of the Sun - gives a picture of the spirit seed of the physical body,
and the 'geocentric chart' gives a picture of the primary impulse from the surrounding etheric cosmos on the building up of the etheric body."

^ This part is perhaps the most vital with regards to my question. Even though the exact meanings of 'hermetic chart', 'etheric body' etc. escape me... the words spirit seed on their own still paint a good enough picture about what this chart is about.

There are some parts of my conception chart that really resonate with me. For example, it has Jupiter in Pisces as the most elevated planet, possibly conjunct MC. The tightest aspect is Jupiter square Uranus. And Moon, Mercury and Sun are tightly conjunct in Virgo, most likely in the 3rd house. Those placements and aspects fit just as well as those in my natal chart... and feel kind of like a complementing viewpoint.

posted September 12, 2019 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Actual fertilization that biologically defines conception can occur days after the 'deed.' So I don't place any importance on any supposed exact timing of conception, especially not for astrological purposes. It doesn't define the birth chart and is a wild goose chase.

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posted September 12, 2019 09:31 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ How did you somehow slip up a topic to make your mom slip it up

*contemplates*

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posted September 12, 2019 09:53 AM            

I had been involved in Edgar Cayce's material for years, many decades ago. Dr. Gladys (Taylor) McGarey MD was an obstetrician at ARE Clinic. She and her midwife partner delivered many babies. There was a biographical book written about her philosophies and experiences.

From what I could glean of above? ..

The soul is drawn to a certain set of parents, and can fully occupy the body, the fetus, at any point. Some couldn't wait to experience life with chosen-set of parents and entered the body right away, in happy anticipation.

There were also other souls that waited, then choose NOT to claim its body after going through the process of being birthed.
(Hence e.g. SIDS? Sudden Infant Death Syndrome)

So. The soul can fully own the body at whatever point it chooses? It has options.

What I wonder is, in line with conception being a kind of own pre-experience, with the DNA designed FOR a particular soul-entity's experience-- that maybe, just having a "fetus-body" with which to hover and interact, can be a Life-experience, in itself?

(i.e. not every 'fertilization' makes it to secure-implantation in the uterus, and, some conceived-Beings don't stay around and grow to full term?)

Just adding above material as very loose thoughts and ideas.

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scripture--
Jeremiah 1:5 NLT New Living Translation
“I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.
Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.”

{everyone SOUL has a Purpose for being made, before they even have a BODY to inhabit}

Psalm 139:13-16 NIV New International Version
13 For you created my inmost being; {astral soul?}
you knit me together in my mother's womb. {astral body merging with physical body?}
14 I praise You because I am fearfully and Wonderfully made!; Your Works are Wonderful, I know that FULL well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in the 'secret place'.
When I was woven-together in the depths of the earth,
16 Your Eyes saw 'my unformed body'.
ALL days ordained for me were written in your book
before 'one of them' came to be.
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John 3:4
Nicodemus said to Him,
"How can a man be born when he is old?
He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb
and be born, can he?"
- ref spiritual/astral-level transformation
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We've all heard about caterpillars turning into butterflies?

Last week, while I was researching asteroid 875 Nymphe for someone, I chanced-upon some videos showing Cicadas molting.

Found watching the MOLTING of a wingless younger Cicada nymphe, into a WINGED creature... to be an incredible Visual Metaphor of a spiritual awakening. It comes from Within!

{If you don't like close-ups of insects, this might seem shocking, and potentially gross you out!!--- but it's sooo realistically stark and its Process, Revealing. LOL}

What a Symbolic parallel to awakening and growing-- a new nature emerges from the old, and with an added capability in its next-level developed maturity!!!

Same bug internally {astral soul}
… different and new body experience that came OUT of the same physical!!

poetically----- {scriptural refs}
Light.. from light
True.. coming-out from true
re-Made.. same Image and Likeness
Old wine.. with new wineskin

A Different new level of Consciousness.

posted September 12, 2019 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
Lol! I talk about everything with my mum. EVERYTHING. I even know when and where and with who she lost her virginity... I've pretty much always known that I was the result of a bad condom, but this was the first time my mum mentioned the time and date.

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Hahahaha! That's hilariously sad!

Thats actually a line I use to insult other gamers in multiplayers games rofll.

posted September 13, 2019 10:03 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Hahahaha! That's hilariously sad!

Thats actually a line I use to insult other gamers in multiplayers games rofll.

I wonder about meself now.

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posted September 14, 2019 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ I've read that time of conception is more important than even birth because that is the actual moment the soul enters the womb. Funny, if that actually is the case, we'd all be needing a chart rectification, hahh($$$).

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I'd say that's a misunderstanding of the metaphysics, incarnation, related to birth horoscopes. It is the incarnation moment, like death in reverse (read the details of NDEs from people who've had them) that sets the birth horoscope. In other words, the decision moment. Whatever a soul or souls may do visiting with the mother or fetus in the 9 months prior, it is not the critical decision moment which takes place within about a 5-hour time frame around time of delivery {4.5 hours ... |delivery| 1/2 hour}.

Edgar Cayce did describe this rather loosely, but didn't make it very clear as it pertains to birth charts. It takes a lot of careful reading and cross comparisons before the picture starts to clarify even a bit. I have two articles about it:
Astrology in the Edgar Cayce Readings
The Incarnation Process

The 5-hour incarnation window is taken from John Willner and I've found it to be reliable.

Focusing on conception ignores that a fetus could have any of a number of different inhabitants once born, depending on a rather wide array of possibilities with the souls involved. Although it is very often the case that there is one particular soul who is already hovering energetically with one or both parents and determined to be born next.

posted September 30, 2019 04:53 AM            

I trust conception charts and funny enough am able to guess folks conception sun/moon/rising better than i guess their natal

How this started is my transits stopped working basically, with my natal chart. So i started tracking them manually trying to elucidate what's going on and I was getting like 'Aries' transits... then when I did my conception chart I realised in that chart I'm an Aries sun! so those astrologers who didn't like my chart cause they couldn't perfectly explain the last few years and were hmmm and ahhh about it, hey with my conception chart that Uranus in 1st house transit cook book definition was exactly it. The cookbook definitions can be right if you're using the right chart.

Funny enough my conception chart is identical to all 4 of my best friends growing up, my sister and my current close friend.

So my theory at the moment, from looking at clients charts and also from all the old folks around me, is that we are born as our conception chart into our natal chart situation. We are told to be and moulded to be our natal chart. Our inner rebellion is because we know our 'soul' wants to be expressed. So we struggle with our inner selves/souls not matching up to our natal chart. We also attract people like our conception chart and draconic charts, and resonate with them on a level that we 'shouldn't' to help us through our journey in life. Our journey through life is this journey from being our natal chart, to conception chart and then to be our draconic chart (this is where looking at old folks charts (70+ yo) show me that they are nothing like their natal charts but personify their draconic charts perfectly).

It also helps shed light on 'omg why did that virgo do that?!' or 'omg but that scorpio.. like you'd never guess!?' and I see astrologers trying to bend myth, claim this and that about the signs and bend the definitions to justify why that virgo or scorpio did something out of character, and out of transit... but that thing they did was completely in line with what their conception chart says they would do. I guess dude was further along out of his programming than you.

The tricky thing is that it's a range of dates, and so you have 2-3 moon signs to go off of. So you need to be 'woke' out of the natal chart programming enough to be able to look at yourself and know how your emotional nature is more like.

posted September 30, 2019 03:54 PM            

And with you?? hey, you couldn't wait to jump in-- FIRST Chance you got.

Anony.. made a funny comment. LOL

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posted September 30, 2019 05:53 PM            

mirage29 - I'm so sorry you had to go through that! Every child deserves to be wanted and loved!