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nomad-monad
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posted September 24, 2019 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am curious how you would read

Mars 29 degrees Libra
Mercury 00 degrees Sagittarius

No houses available at the moment.

I will make an attempt below by using Sabian, and shoot me down PLEASE if you find it beneficial for my growth-of-understanding
because this is the first time I ever try to decode anything through Sabian symbols.

We here change 'degree' from 29 to 30, and 00 to 01.

Libra 30 would be a wrapping up of the Scene of Reconstruction (Lib 16-30), which is the preparation for the Scene of Communion (Sco 01-15).

Sagittarius 00 would be the ingress into the Scene of Abstraction (Sag 1-15), after having wrapped up the Scene of Faith (Sco 16-30).

LIB 30: The native's Actional plane is focused on finishing the reconstruction of self-soul so as to move toward Communion with the world.
In other words shedding the 'personality' so as to reveal 'soul'.

SAG 01: The Mercurial ingress denote the native having 'extracted' (been in communion/communication with) the Faith in the world and now seek to Abstract the wisdom from this inherent Faith so as to bring it to the Scene of Transference (Sag 16-30) where this wisdom is shared.

Sun at 21 Sag seem to corroborate this, as this is where the Native is shining her light (in an increasing frequency of competence, as life goes on and energetic tasks are mastered).

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posted September 24, 2019 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My moon is at 29 libra and that discription fits very well for me. It's in my 6H and there has been a theme in my life of shedding my personality and bringing my soul into the everyday, mundane tasks we take for granted. Especially in my workplace. Reading that kind of surprised me with how accurate it was.

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posted September 25, 2019 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

For practice ... would you like to attempt an interpretation of my Uranus at Gemini30 (in 9th house and on MC at Gemini30)?

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posted September 25, 2019 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cthonicstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would the Sabian interpretations apply even when the planet is retrograded? Curious!

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posted September 25, 2019 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this kind of question is best answered in Personal Readings with your full chart (with planet position columns still attached). It isn't possible to give a reading of a single spot in a horoscope without reference to that planet's relationships (aspects) to other planets.

Regarding "Anaretic", I'm quoting here from the two entries in The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology (Fred Gettings) ...

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Anaretic Term derived from the Greek, meaning 'destroyer', and applied to the planet or degree which is for one reason or another regarded as the destroyer of life in a particular chart. The rules for determining which planet is the anareta, or in the anaretic place (sometimes called the 'killing place' by modern astrologers), are complex, and most astrologers warn of the difficulty of making predictions based on such rules. In some contexts the term is used of a planet which forms a difficult aspect to the *hyleg, though this does not necessarily mean that it is therefore the 'killer'. In other contexts, the term is also used of certain fixed stars which, by virtue of conjunctions in a natal chart, or by progression, pour their baneful and killing influence into that chart, and bring about the death of the native. The anaretic point, or place, is the degree occupied by such a planet or fixed star in a chart but see also ANARETIC PLACES.

*Hyleg: term used in Arabian astrology for a planet considered the 'giver or sustainer of life.'

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Anaretic places The anaretic places are often said to be the degrees in a horoscope figure occupied by the radical Mars or Saturn -- or by the radical Sun, Moon and Mercury, should these be badly aspected by Mars or Saturn. however, many different rules exist for determining the 'killing place', as the anareic place is sometimes called. Cornell simplifies a complex issue by speaking of the anaretic place as that occupied by an anaretic planet in the 4th, 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. The issue remains complex, however, for besides establishing the identity of the anaretic from such places, there is the problem of determining also not only how, but when, it will bring death.

The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred Gettings in my opinion is absolutely essential to the study and understanding of modern astrology as it documents through its A-Z entries much of astrology history through the terminology of past and present. I recommend anyone engaging in serious study get it and refer to it often. It'll answer a lot of questions and lead you to a better understanding of the lineage of terms and concepts that online users typically cannot give you.

So what do we learn from these entries about the anaretic?

1. The term comes from the ancient Greek and has been very corrupted from original use and intent.

2. The ancient context in which this term was derived was one in which the men, thus property owning benefactors of the family, would often not live past middle age. Thus death, its causes and timing were more important to the cohesion and continuity of families (writing of wills in a timely fashion) in an age of higher mortality rates.

3. Anaretic has been applied by modern astrologers (last 100 years or so) to whatever is thought to be the most dangerous placements most likely to be faulted for death. This obsession with death and blame for it is a decidedly un-humanistic use of astrology. (Humanism values the agency of the individual and critical thinking and evidence over superstition and eager belief.) It is out of its historic cultural context and has lost much if not all of its relevance.

The term critical degrees has been used by many modern astrologers to replace anaretic, so that the death stare has been expunged from interpretation. Personally, I prefer the rather simple approach of seeing the last degree or two of a sign as an ending of a particular mode of expression (cuspy); a transition often accompanied by at least a subconscious anticipation of such change, thus stimulating uncertainty. I don't see 0-1° as having any such significance; movement has passed the cusp and if the body is wholly in the new sign that is its context. This must be qualified for the luminaries as they both have about half a degree of apparent diameter, meaning they can straddle the cusp of two adjacent signs briefly: Sun for about half a day each month; Moon for just minutes every couple days or so.

I don't use Sabian symbols. I think they're vague symbolic imagery is of the wrong kind of subjectivity (like tarot) to be truly useful in astrology.

As to my own rendering of your placements mentioned here, I will say people often try to extract too much specificity from such single factors. Mars at the end of Libra simply suggests to me an added tendency for indecision in the anticipation of a change to a mode of action involving greater feeling and immersion (Scorpio); a nearing end to surface level aesthetic considerations as a basis for action. However, as I said above, it is not possible to interpret any planet's placement without seeing its aspects to other planets/points.

Mercury at 0° Sagittarius is simply Mercury in Sagittarius, an expansive mindset willing to consider and absorb from a wide array of information and considerations, but prone to over-estimating the certainty of knowledge personally gained.

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posted September 25, 2019 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I think this kind of question is best answered in Personal Readings with your full chart (with planet position columns still attached). It isn't possible to give a reading of a single spot in a horoscope without reference to that planet's relationships (aspects) to other planets.

I think it is possible to determine a general reading of a single position based on it alone, whereas this 'general' is then affected in its movement of expression through aspect relationships.

That being said, I fully agree with you that for the purpose of serious client readings, one should never rely on single positions but always take the full chart in consideration.

It is not my chart. I am rather engaging with a process of discovery for my own understanding, and I see it as perfectly valid to investigate the validity of 'general' positions so as to in a further step apply the effect of aspect relations. Now it is digressing a bit to me investigating my own proficiency in reading Sabian Symbolism, which I appreciate as a curious challenge.


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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred Gettings in my opinion is absolutely essential to the study and understanding of modern astrology as it documents through its A-Z entries much of astrology history through the terminology of past and present.

Thanks for this, I really appreciate bringing this to light, as I fully agree that lineage is of utmost importance, and I am in need of such reading material.

On that note, I think it is important to take into consideration that there is a lineage of both mythological as well as mental consciousness, considered as structures of 'awareness of presence' that have guided the human 'phylum' cross ages. These lineages are complex and not to be taken lightly.

It is my understanding that a Mental Conciousness was qualified as an effect of the Quantification of the Mythological Consciousness to such a degree that it resulted in a psychic chaos that needed to be boiled down through the Qualification of Mental consciousness, which ultimately is about the maturation of the ego-self and its realization of crafting its own path - THINKING as a method of Psychological Navigation, in other words DISCOURSE - rather than remain confined within a Mythocratic Realm of Oppression.

Now, the reason I mention this, is that I consider Astrology as a Child of the Mythological Realm BEFORE it Quantified into inefficient expression.

It was then a Efficient Method of Recalling Universal Wisdom, derived from the Deep Awareness of/Connection with Nature that had been achieved throughout Humanity's engagement with Nature in its Hunting-Gathering Engagements. The Mythological Qualification was an efficient structure before it quantified its 'knowledge' into an absurd amount of Gods, Demons, Nymphs, etc. etc. that no longer provided beneficial aid in the Human task of Mastering Life. Equally, the Mental Discursive Thinking was efficient before it quantified its 'knowledge' into an absurd amount of formulas detached from the real arena of Life. The effect of this particular Quantification is seen today in the challenge of climate change as a result of our raping nature for our own benefit, an increased dis-ease within the psyche's of our youth, an absolutely absurd economic reward system that benefit the oppression of fellows, to name but a few issues flowering today like plagues born of greed and mechanistic manipulation.

The process, as far as I see it, is one where a Vital Wisdom (qualification of new consciousness/awareness) is carried to a stage of Possession (of quantified knowledge). This Possession OVERSHADOW the previous Vital Wisdom, rendering human awareness SEPARATED from the general LIFE of Cosmic Becoming.

That being said, it is my impression that we should beware of also seemingly 'ancient' knowledge, since this may very well belong to a consciousness that is MENTALLY separating itself from the Vital Wisdom of Life, and thus belonging to the structure we are now Eating the rotten fruit of.

Keep in mind, the time of Mythological Consciousness span between BC 6000-500, at BC 500-600 the Mental Consciousness qualifies as a result of figures such as Pythagoras, Socrates, Thales. These individuals were very much more aware of Mythological Reality than later figures, when the Mental is further Separated from the achievements of Mythological Masters.

The most striking of these achievements is the method of POIESIS as a method of recalling universal wisdom. This is specifically the ability to tap into the MORPHOGENETIC fields of cosmic/planetary consciousness.

It is my impression that Elsie Wheeler, who was the channel for the Sabian Symbols, was able to tap into the morphogenetic fields of cosmic/planetary consciousness, which is the place where the 'core' information of archetypal energies are to be found.

Equally, the Egyptean Priests (= mytological consciousness) were also proficient in tapping in to these fields, and their work is the original source of the Tarot.

In other words. I think it is important to keep in mind that we should not be dealing with EITHER/OR choices, and polarize the achievements of our ancestors to the benefit of one structure of consciousness over the other, because it is not so simple.

We are in this day and age fully able to perceive the detrimental work of a mental-rational consciousness, which is SUPERSTITIOUS toward the Mythological Consciousness based on the MENTAL's inability to penetrate behind the stage of MYTHOLOGICAL's inefficient expression (behind this is the Efficient Expression).

The fault of Mental Consciousness lie in its inability to believe anything other than what it can SEE and MEASURE.
Yet what it can SEE and MEASURE is only utilizing the Perspectival Vision of its own Position.
Using Perspectival Vision, the 'Cone of Vision' become increasingly narrow the further 'out' it stretches.
Reality is quite definitely much vaster than this Cone allows us to perceive, and the superstitious reluctance to admit this is a classic case of the 'black swan' problem.
Keep in mind as well Gödel's notion that 'numbers are so flexible they can mimic human reasoning'. This is a very poignant point.


We should in my opinion beware of limiting ourselves to such narrow confinements as those imposed by mere humanistic rationality (the term Humanistic is an entire story in itself which I will not go into here). For further research into this I recommend a look into the field of 'Posthumanism' (which is an unfortunate term since it is really about 'postrationalism'). This is not the same as trans-humanism even if sometimes the academics bunch them all together.


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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't use Sabian symbols. I think they're vague symbolic imagery is of the wrong kind of subjectivity (like tarot) to be truly useful in astrology.

Which is perfectly fine, because I understand that you are very competent in your rational delineations, even if I am not sure how far they do reach in the end. Keep in mind though that the 'vagueness' may simply be your own inability to penetrate the symbols with your rationalist mindset when what is needed for this is something else entirely in my opinion.

Personally however, I would promote the ambition to integrate all efficient expressions of human consciousness and its true achievements throughout history, without succumbing to the issue of the supposed omnipotence of one particular structure over the other, which is an approach that ultimately result in the fall of each structure as it reaches its culmination point of efficient expression, and begin to degenerate into inefficiecy. The culmination point of mental consciousness is the renaissance (by way of Ancient Greece and the Scholstics), which is when we conquer space through perspectival approach (Columbus for Earths Space, Copernicus for Cosmic Space, Vesalius for the Body's Space, etc.). After we conquered it, we started to rape it, and low and behold, here WE are today, trying to guide our fellow human souls to reach their full potential.

Astrology for me is first and foremost an Art of Interpretation that successfully assist our consciousness to merge efficient archetypal-symbolical understanding (mythological) with the mental ability to delineate time-space relations (movement) so as to conceive a map of natal navigation potentialities within this incarnation.

Resorting to one without the other is to me to resort to a half-use of the potential contained in the system of astrology, which is the 'systems science of system sciences'. We cannot understand the 'system' without understanding all of its parts, and mythology is a truly essential part, in my opinion.

That is not to say that you cannot mis-use mythology, just as you can mis-use rationalist approach. But it is to say that you CAN use a mythological approach, just as you can use a rational one. Best effect, however, I think come from their integration.


Excuse the rant, but I find this point quite important.
I hope I have clarified my interest in Sabian Symbols to you.


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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
As to my own rendering of your placements mentioned here, I will say people often try to extract too much specificity from such single factors. Mars at the end of Libra simply suggests to me an added tendency for indecision in the anticipation of a change to a mode of action involving greater feeling and immersion (Scorpio); a nearing end to surface level aesthetic considerations as a basis for action. However, as I said above, it is not possible to interpret any planet's placement without seeing its aspects to other planets/points.

Mercury at 0° Sagittarius is simply Mercury in Sagittarius, an expansive mindset willing to consider and absorb from a wide array of information and considerations, but prone to over-estimating the certainty of knowledge personally gained.


The Indecision of 30 degrees to me seem like an Indecision as to whether one should 'die or stay', so to say. In other words it does not really tap into the essential 'functionality' of the position, rather than the visible effect of the natal hovering indecisively on the border toward a new discovery in a psychological life-area, from the position of the area which has been mastered/is being mastered. Taking orb-effect into consideration, I think it is clear that a position at anaretic degree 'shines' and thus render visible for the native the following Sign/Scene/Psychospiritual Desire.

0 Sagittarius I think is not 'simply' Mercury in Sagittarius. Case in point would be if Mercury was at 30 Sagittarius, which is clearly different, since it would be the anaretic degree spoken of above. Degrees thus affect the expression, and even if the nuances are small, they do exist, as the polar extremes of 0 and 30 clearly demonstrate.

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posted September 25, 2019 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
For practice ... would you like to attempt an interpretation of my Uranus at Gemini30 (in 9th house and on MC at Gemini30)?


Yes!

I would first of all establish that I (currently) perceive Uranus as the 'Expression of Genius' in the sense of it as the place where your metabolic information processing (interaction of all planets before Uranus) comes to some kind of culmination-point. These inner planets feed your Uranus/Genius from one side (the side of your world-experience) whereas Neptune feed your Genius from the other side through 'dreams' and perception of 'extra-terrestrial' spirituality/life.
This 'feeding from two sides' is affected by aspect relationships.

Whether you have 'activated' your full Uranian capacities however would depend on how you have dealt with the gatekeeper Saturn throughout your own eventual trials and tribulations.

Being at 30 Gemini, it seems perhaps all your information-processing have reached/is reaching a point of culmination where your intellectual growth is at a stage of full virility, the 'show' of spring-growth/springing-forth of your 'information-seeds' expressing themselves in the Scenes of Differentiation and Exteriorization is being wrapped up and brought toward the Scene of Stabilization in the first degrees of Cancer.

Since Uranus is Generational and conjunct MC, I would guess you may be attracted to utilize your intellectual understanding/genius/higher learnings so as to aid the generations to Stabilize their own overall journey of Individuation. You would do this by being (potentially) proficient in guiding them through their own 'springing forth', as you understand well what this process entail.

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posted September 25, 2019 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
Would the Sabian interpretations apply even when the planet is retrograded? Curious!

I'd think the Symbol would still apply of course, since it is in fact at that position.
It would seem however that the natal within this incarnation is retracing steps previously taken in the overall scene, so as to 'reiterate' the learnings gained and further 'solidify' them in the soul structure.

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posted September 26, 2019 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nomad-monad:

Yes!

I would first of all establish that I (currently) perceive Uranus as the 'Expression of Genius' in the sense of it as the place where your metabolic information processing (interaction of all planets before Uranus) comes to some kind of culmination-point. These inner planets feed your Uranus/Genius from one side (the side of your world-experience) whereas Neptune feed your Genius from the other side through 'dreams' and perception of 'extra-terrestrial' spirituality/life.
This 'feeding from two sides' is affected by aspect relationships.

Whether you have 'activated' your full Uranian capacities however would depend on how you have dealt with the gatekeeper Saturn throughout your own eventual trials and tribulations.

Being at 30 Gemini, it seems perhaps all your information-processing have reached/is reaching a point of culmination where your intellectual growth is at a stage of full virility, the 'show' of spring-growth/springing-forth of your 'information-seeds' expressing themselves in the Scenes of Differentiation and Exteriorization is being wrapped up and brought toward the Scene of Stabilization in the first degrees of Cancer.

Since Uranus is Generational and conjunct MC, I would guess you may be attracted to utilize your intellectual understanding/genius/higher learnings so as to aid the generations to Stabilize their own overall journey of Individuation. You would do this by being (potentially) proficient in guiding them through their own 'springing forth', as you understand well what this process entail.


Which/whose Sabian Symbols are you using n-m? Dane Rudhyar's?

Would your interpretation of my Uranus at Gemini30 be different if you were using the Linda Hill quote below :-

"GEMINI30

A PARADE OF BATHING BEAUTIES BEFORE LARGE BEACH CROWDS

This Symbol shows how society appreciates and acknowledges beauty and glamour. It is often important to put on your best face and apparel and to present your self with confidence. Be aware that some are getting a lot of attention and there is a potential audience. There may be a feeling of only being appreciated for one’s superficial attributes and values without appreciation of the deeper layers of one’s persona. Displays of beauty and physical fitness can bring joy and wonder, or jealousy and derision, so you may need to be careful of what's being revealed and who it is revealed to. Making superficial judgments. Being on show. Sheer attraction of beauty appreciated. Seeking praise. Bathing costumes and skimpy clothing. The mystery of glamour.

The Caution: Using superficialities to falsely win support. Giving importance to appearance and neglecting the "beauty within". Too much makeup. Flaunting one’s body.
http://sabiansymbols.com


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posted September 26, 2019 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I love these ones:- http://aquaorfire.net/astrology/inside_degrees/inside_degrees.html
written in a bloody fascinating ways, kinda like they make the thoughts swirl inside you, honestly I feel like a child when I read it, Hahh!!!..........

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posted September 26, 2019 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
Which/whose Sabian Symbols are you using n-m? Dane Rudhyar's?

Would your interpretation of my Uranus at Gemini30 be different if you were using the Linda Hill quote below


Yes, Dane's.

And no, I don't think it would be immediately different. I think Linda's interpretation describe a step within the process of 30 degrees but not the core function, which is to 'wrap up' the show so as to allow for stabilization.

Dane's is better imo (by which I mean it resonates better to me):

PHASE 90 (GEMINI 30°): A PARADE OF BATHING BEAUTIES BEFORE LARGE BEACH CROWDS.

KEYNOTE: The setting of social standards through personal excellence and competition.

In this very American scene we see a very ancient and basic process which can operate at several levels. Society sets certain collectively acceptable cultural standards, and recompenses by prestige and fame the persons who embody them, physically or mentally. This generates emulation and the desire to bring the social images to their most perfect and concrete manifestation. The archetypal image or canon of proportion is thus incarnated for all to behold and be fascinated by. The process of exteriorization is completed.

This is the last phase of the sixth scene. In the zodiac the spring season has come to a close. It is summer solstice. Fulfillment leads to new demands upon the individual human consciousness. The SHOW is over. Now comes the hour of decision.

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posted September 26, 2019 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Personally I love these ones:- http://aquaorfire.net/astrology/inside_degrees/inside_degrees.html
written in a bloody fascinating ways, kinda like they make the thoughts swirl inside you, honestly I feel like a child when I read it, Hahh!!!..........

I have seen those before but I just passed them by without much thought, at an earlier stage of my learning process.
I really like them, they are very resonant, so thank you for reminding me of them!

They seem very fitting to me.
And they do their work as you say in 'making you feel like a child',
because they activate your imaginative capacities so as to form a creative understanding of your position,
which is to be used for the benefit of orienting your development in accordance with your cosmic imprint,
which is set to help you harness the energies of your Soul desire.

Your Magical consciousness deal with Emotional (Shamanistic) capacities.
Your Mythological consciousness deal with Imaginative (Poietic) capacities.
Your Mental consciousness deal with Thinking (Philosophical) capacities.

These 'structures' are visible in both our individual growing-up, as well as in the growing-up of humanity at large. Yet even if the structures 'shift', they do not DISAPPEAR. At 'best', they can be REPRESSED.

We all have these 'consciousness'es' within us in more or less latent form,
but as we 'grow up' toward adulthood today, we are primed by a rationalist-based structure of society to dispose of our child-hood (emotional-imaginative) and function simply from a mode of Discursive Thinking that base everything on a rationalist dogma that consider itself omnipotent.
This is the same with 'Western Masculine's' patriarchally infused relation to his surrounding world, which to him seem 'primitive and superstitious'.
He is however only projecting his own superstition, and neglecting to perceive the primitiveness of his Mental Faculties, and the advanced achievemtnts of previous emotional-imaginary investigations and research: e.g. the stellar Feminine Intuition which he is not able to 'compute', but this seeming 'lack of logic' in the Feminine Intuition is simply his own 'logical capacities' lacking in finding the logical equation which stretch beyond the formulas perceived through his position. Note I am not speaking of gender, but of energy.

Just as our individual task is to integrate the above mentioned capacities within us, so it is our collective task to integrate the achievements of the macro-structures of human consciousness being contained in various 'intensities' in the 'pockets' of ancient wisdom, and living 'separated' today in the many segments of cultural pockets on our globe.
These capacities then are EXACTLY like the limbs of Osiris!
And our task is to RE-MEMBER this global consciousness with our present state of becoming.

The best description I have ever heard of 'Culture' is by the German Sociologist/Systems Thinker Niklas Luhmann, who said 'Culture is one of the most detrimental concepts of our society. It is nothing but SELF-DESCRIPTION".

This 'self-description' should NOT be contained, but INTEGRATED with all other 'self-descriptions' so as to enable our PLANETARY consciousness to become truly transparent to each and everyone.


Anyway...


Graham, I find below checks out with my description.

The question is, can you find 'agreement' with below and my description?


GEMINI 30
Many glass animals on a shelf.

Microworlds and macroworlds reflect each other's light. There are those for whom the microworld becomes the entire focus, reflecting the light of the macrocosm within tiny jewelled moments and personal tie-ins. This results in each and every little thing lighting up with striking significance. But it is far more magical than that. For as you enter completely inside of these special moments and sparkling reflections, there arises a mode of experience that is stunning. The most basic and elemental things turn into the instantaneous invocation of the miracle of existence. And so it becomes the surface and the common layers that are packed with the infinite splendor. Daily life as pure celebration engaged in both rapturously and just as the way it is.

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For the sake of further clarification below are my Pisces placements, where ingressing Jupiter is 'propelling the boat(s)' so to speak: my expansive optimism is definitely 'propelling' my becoming, and my MERCURY is definetely 'guiding' it as the 'Scout' and Chart Ruler as I have a 9/10 Gem ASC.

The efficient communication between 'propeller/scout' depend on the 'making transparent' of the bodies inbetween (Sun/Venus): I had to wrench free from tumultous external energies so as to center my self-sun, and I needed to let the light of that sun 'shine through' the negative perceptions of those expressions of contemporary humanity that my Venus find really problematic, so as to perceive the larger picture.

Only then can I really activate the true power of my Mercury (let my Jupiter affect it through the chain of Planetary energy: making me OPTIMISTIC about my communication faculties), and this I figure is what I am in the process of working with right now.

JUPITER-SUN-VENUS are working in the Scene of FEDERATION,
with MERCURY scouting the Scene PERPETUATION.

I think this is further corroborated by Mercury SQUARING Uranus at Sag 22 (symbol below). It is the Scene of TRANSFERENCE, and as far as I can perceive today, this is indeed where my 'achievements' of below SUN-VENUS-MERCURY culminate into my own 'expression of genius'. The SQUARE depicting the 'tension' of the dynamics building up, and when RELEASED allowing the vibrations to travel so as to fulfill their 'Revolutionary Function'. The other players (Mars/Neptune/Pluto) are of course also a part of the equation, but I think I can make my point without going into further detail, even if the description then indeed would be 'more detailed'.


JUPITER / PISCES 1
A field of dandelions.

Teeming with mass consciousness. You feel yourself to be as anonymous and undifferentiated as you can possibly be. Hiding in this identification is comfortable, cozy, and safe, and it can be prolonged indefinitely. While you wait here with individuality suspended and all of life being right at hand, the most remarkable discoveries can take place. In particular, you are welcomed and invited to know the ancestors, to know the collective, to know the sweep of evolution intimately and compulsively, to be swept along on the tides of time, to stay bonded and rooted in the dream plant state. It is a rapture and an abandon. Eventually it satiates itself. And then you are sprung very fresh and very new, to be free in the world, and to make the ultimate discovery of the vast difference between casting your fate to the winds and being vitally present in the moment's dawning with a celebratory fervor.

SUN / PISCES 3
An eye gazing out of the top of a pyramid.

Timeless soul faculties wrench free from tumultuous times and places to gaze upon the innermost with tranquil and sage otherworldliness. Drawn inside very far, into the unconscious and superconscious levels. On the surface--nothing happening, a blank. But deep inside--astounding things going on; worlds ending and beginning; tragedies, heartaches, tremendous overcomings. Yet all of this is so far inside that it can get twisted in knots and cut off from the center. And therefore, you must over and again wander in search of your lost self and the lost self of the world, and journey through the most fantastic scenarios in order to reclaim at every major juncture the poignant, shattered, and self-regenerating lost soul. The lost soul whose pathos and triumph of navigation through every possible hiding place through the sheer inward intent of your subtle faculties, cannot be discouraged, cannot be denied.

VENUS / PISCES 11
A high, crumbling wall. It is part of a ruin and covered with ivy.

Power is stored in the Earth at primal, quickening points. Often, in these places, humanity erects monuments to its own folly. Eventually these merge into the landscape and everything comments upon everything else. Being held between the Earth's wise presence and humanity's dim apprehension of what is really involved here. One side of the feeling nature is so intuitive and psychically astute that you are harboring advanced gifts that can serve Earth evolution in staggering ways. Another side of the feeling nature is contorted with reactions, judgments and condemnations of the collective trends of humanity and of the weakness of the human flesh. These objections and rejections of the human scene rebound upon the self and poison the psychic faculties. It is only when you heal and forgive and renounce the minor key irritable voice, inside and out, that the floodtide of burgeoning awareness of what is arising in this Earth, with all its ripples, can wipe away the false structures and foster the new birth--the tuned-in and blessings-focused outlook and inlook.

MERCURY / PISCES 19
Palm trees laden with dates.

Soul faculties. Precious jewels carried from before held intact and inwardly rooted within. Absolutely saturated with psychic faculties, inward understandings, and special feelings for the whole of existence. All of this is held under and accessed when most deeply needed. To bear such wonders within your core nature is to be complete and whole. It is to want for nothing. It is to have so much to offer that the supply can never be exhausted. It is to be a source, an oasis in yourself, and to remain at peace in communion with what you have always known, which is so very timeless that its relevance and uses are entirely the same as ever and always will be in any world.

SAGITTARIUS 22
Blackbirds flying out of a pie.

Darkness seeks release by the right vessel, at the right time, in the right place. You must be able to contain the darkness and to form it into an exquisitely sculpted-out seething chaos, and then discover your willingness and ability to reverse field, to give over the very thing you took as your own. This comes the hard way, by enduring the ravages of living in a volatile chaos almost as victim and then seizing command of your own vessel. Until you do it, the darkness leaks out around the edges and fosters the worst all around. Usually, triggering so much subtle destruction and indulgence in the negative brings you up short, and triggers the final reckoning and the huge release, sending darkness on its way and opening a space for light to flood through and start a new cycle, where the old had seemed to be decadent and established for the duration.

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posted September 26, 2019 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Graham, I find below checks out with my description.

The question is, can you find 'agreement' with below and my description?


GEMINI 30
Many glass animals on a shelf.
Microworlds and macroworlds reflect each other's light. There are those for whom the microworld becomes the entire focus, reflecting the light of the macrocosm within tiny jewelled moments and personal tie-ins. This results in each and every little thing lighting up with striking significance. But it is far more magical than that. For as you enter completely inside of these special moments and sparkling reflections, there arises a mode of experience that is stunning. The most basic and elemental things turn into the instantaneous invocation of the miracle of existence. And so it becomes the surface and the common layers that are packed with the infinite splendor. Daily life as pure celebration engaged in both rapturously and just as the way it is.



I can indeed find agreement ... in that my Uranus "awakens" me by drawing attention to details which others might not notice, or pay attention to.


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I would first of all establish that I (currently) perceive Uranus as the 'Expression of Genius' in the sense of it as the place where your metabolic information processing (interaction of all planets before Uranus) comes to some kind of culmination-point. These inner planets feed your Uranus/Genius from one side (the side of your world-experience) whereas Neptune feed your Genius from the other side through 'dreams' and perception of 'extra-terrestrial' spirituality/life.


My "awakening" began around age 28, when I had two out-of-body experiences ... and a "past-life" dream which resolved a shooting-pain issue that I had (by then) been experiencing periodically for about a month or so. ... I have never had an oob since - perhaps because their purpose was just to awaken me to the realisation that some part of us can indeed exist outside of the physical body.


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This 'feeding from two sides' is affected by aspect relationships.

I have a lot of natal 8th harmonic/"persistence" aspects involving Uranus.


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Whether you have 'activated' your full Uranian capacities however would depend on how you have dealt with the gatekeeper Saturn throughout your own eventual trials and tribulations.

I was 43 years old before the death of my father enabled me to finally recognise (and move past) the Saturn conditioning of my childhood. ... But that event resulted in a very clear and distinct passing of the baton from Saturn to Uranus.

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Being at 30 Gemini, it seems perhaps all your information-processing have reached/is reaching a point of culmination where your intellectual growth is at a stage of full virility, the 'show' of spring-growth/springing-forth of your 'information-seeds' expressing themselves in the Scenes of Differentiation and Exteriorization is being wrapped up and brought toward the Scene of Stabilization in the first degrees of Cancer.

After Uranus began running with the baton (back in 1992), I have been actively "learning about myself, and letting go of that which I now know/believe my soul has incarnated to let go of". In effect, my soul is in the process of returning home.


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Since Uranus is Generational and conjunct MC, I would guess you may be attracted to utilize your intellectual understanding/genius/higher learnings so as to aid the generations to Stabilize their own overall journey of Individuation. You would do this by being (potentially) proficient in guiding them through their own 'springing forth', as you understand well what this process entail.

My natal Uranus makes a lot of 8th harmonic aspects - so is inclined to persist with things beyond the point which others would let them go.

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posted September 26, 2019 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I can indeed find agreement ... in that my Uranus "awakens" me by drawing attention to details which others might not notice, or pay attention to.

So, do you find I have missed any details that you feel I should pay attention to, so that I in effect can Stabilize?

I find the imaginative capacities triggered by the symbols not so much seek to 'delineate facts' as they seek to 'in-spire' the native based on the zodiacal (psychological/psychospiritual) position.

In terms of 'anaretic degrees' I find they are simply the ingress/egress poles of the psychospiritual desire contained in the sign:
0/1 is eager to start, thus also facing the problem of 'birthing oneself'.
30 is eager to leave, thus also facing the problem of 'overcoming the fear of death'.

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I like Kozminsky Symbols: Click!

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Originally posted by nomad-monad:
So, do you find I have missed any details that you feel I should pay attention to, so that I in effect can Stabilize?

I find the imaginative capacities triggered by the symbols not so much seek to 'delineate facts' as they seek to 'in-spire' the native based on the zodiacal (psychological/psychospiritual) position.

In terms of 'anaretic degrees' I find they are simply the ingress/egress poles of the psychospiritual desire contained in the sign:
0/1 is eager to start, thus also facing the problem of 'birthing oneself'.
30 is eager to leave, thus also facing the problem of 'overcoming the fear of death'.


I have expanded my above comment, whilst you were posting this.

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posted September 26, 2019 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:

I have expanded my above comment, whilst you were posting this.


Great, thank you for the elaboration.
Sounds like a very interesting/fruitful journey indeed.

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The anaretic degrees sound fatalistic, especially with Kozminsky's descriptions. Are these to be taken as hurdles to overcome or a recurring theme in life? I'd like to apply the symbols as hurdles rather than a, for lack of a better word, curse. Can it be simplified that way?

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posted September 27, 2019 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
The anaretic degrees sound fatalistic, especially with Kozminsky's descriptions. Are these to be taken as hurdles to overcome or a recurring theme in life? I'd like to apply the symbols as hurdles rather than a, for lack of a better word, curse. Can it be simplified that way?

An entire chart 'sounds' fatalistic.
Is it a curse, or a hurdle to overcome?

My view:

You are a (psycho)spiritual vibratory system.
Your natal chart is a reflection of the starting point of your system.
As you begin exploring your system, you vibrate at a lower frequency.
You start at a lower frequency, so that you can make choices in life so as to raise your frequency.
At lower frequency, the 'parts' of your psychology seem separate.
The Zodiac seems separate.

As you raise the frequency of your vibrancy,
the parts 'blend' into larger parts, until they become a whole.
The Zodiacal sky, the Cosmos, is a whole, is 'One'.

The starting points remain, in this life, but you expand from them.

Is the Sun only at the point of its 'physical' body?
I say the Sun is everywhere its light reach.
Your consciousness is everywhere its awareness reach.


Late/Early degrees are merely the indication that your are about to 'blend' with what you are 'entering/exiting'.
Is it a hurdle? It depends if you are ripe to move on, or not.

Raise your vibrancy, and you will simply blend into it.
Avoid it, and it may seem like death is at the next step ahead.

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