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Topic: Natal Pluto opposite Transit pluto = Death ?????
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itsmeyaz
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posted September 28, 2019 03:18 PM
  
I've analyszed the charts of few people that died somewhat a normal death *aging*, and I noticed they all had this aspect in common. Especially lately, with the Transit Pluto conjunct Saturn. After Jacques Chirac died on the 26th Sep, I noticed he had the transit Pluto opposite his Natal Pluto. So it made me wonder, if it's usually an indicator of death??? (or near death experience) IP: Logged |
itsmeyaz
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posted September 29, 2019 05:46 AM
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Somna7H
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posted September 29, 2019 07:28 AM
Currently Transiting Pluto Square to my Natal Pluto( in Libra 6th). I'm still Alive.IP: Logged |
itsmeyaz
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posted September 29, 2019 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Currently Transiting Pluto Square to my Natal Pluto( in Libra 6th). I'm still Alive.
Have you experienced near death experiences with this transit? IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted September 29, 2019 01:59 PM
Itsmeyaz 
Pluto takes 248 years to make one revolution around the Sun.Pluto Opp Pluto is a older 'elderly' person.. somewhere past ~85 years old? Pluto Square Pluto usually comes along with the beginning of the MidLife Transits.
Repeats in older age. e.o.70s/80s Pluto only moves 3-degrees a year (including retrogrades). Nice observation though! Pluto Opp Pluto involved around the time a person dies-- it's because they are older. Former USA President Jimmy Carter went through HIS tPluto Capricorn Opp Pluto at '13-degrees'. He has a natal Pluto Cancer 13+. He also had his Uranus Return at the same time of Pluto Opp Pluto. These longterm transits are age-indicators, especially when you know which zodiac sign they're in.
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Carter,_Jimmy
 Carter is having another JUPITER Return for his 95th birthday on October 1st. The person you mentioned within applying orb of his Plu opp Plu was 86 years old. R.I.P.
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Chirac,_Jacques Have a Nice Day.  IP: Logged |
HatshepsutDescartes
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posted September 29, 2019 02:19 PM
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itsmeyaz
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posted September 29, 2019 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by mirage29:
Itsmeyaz The person you mentioned within applying orb of his Plu opp Plu was 86 years old. R.I.P. Have a Nice Day.
Hello Mirage29! Thank you for reading my thread. I was curious about it. As I stated in the initial post, when there's a normal death (aging) I noticed it's usually when tPLuto is in opp with their natal Pluto. So it made me wonder. Thank you xx IP: Logged |
Somna7H
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posted September 29, 2019 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by itsmeyaz:
Have you experienced near death experiences with this transit?
I'm not sure if it's for Pluto Square Pluto or for Pluto Square Mars. I had a road accident on 5th September 2017. A reckless motorcyclist lost control and hit me when I was riding my cycle.
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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted September 30, 2019 03:14 AM
Nobody can predict death. IP: Logged |
itsmeyaz
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posted September 30, 2019 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Nobody can predict death.
I'm sure one can. IP: Logged |
TaurusVenusGirl
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posted September 30, 2019 07:18 AM
My friend has SR Pluto conjuncting her nSaturn in her 8H. She has had a death around her and perhaps another death is to come.IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted September 30, 2019 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by itsmeyaz:
I'm sure one can.
"Astrology has its own spy satellites in the sky, and it is a thought to savour that not even the combined efforts of the CIA, Mossad, and MI6 can silence what they have to tell."
~~ Astrologer Dennis Elwell - http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Elwell,_Dennis
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Aries23Degrees
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posted October 01, 2019 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Currently Transiting Pluto Square to my Natal Pluto( in Libra 6th). I'm still Alive.
I don't know why, but tbis made me giggle.  IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2
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posted October 01, 2019 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Nobody can predict death.
I've had my father's death predicted (through my natal chart) without even mentioning he was sick. I see how it was indeed obvious through my chart, but back then I didn't know. I predicted the death of a friend's mother (through my friend's chart) even though the doctors said she would die about 2-3 months earlier from the actual date of her death, they were sure she had a few days left. I knew though she was sick. I'm not able to do even what I would personally consider basic predictions but there are times that something seems extremely obvious to me. T. Pluto on Uranus is considered a classic death aspect, however the ones I know who have experienced it, lost someone important to them, they didn't die themselves. Key here is the few ones I know, have their natal Uranus in 4th or 7th H (or conjunting their cusp). Natal aspects to Uranus might be indicative of the relationship the native has with the deceased person. IP: Logged |
athenaia
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posted October 01, 2019 11:21 AM
Well transit Pluto is currently in Capricorn. So you would be talking about the Pluto in Cancer generation dying, since that would be the generation who is experiencing the opposition right now. The Pluto in Cancer Generation goes from 1913-1938. That would make the oldest of this generation 106 years old, the youngest of this generation being 81 years old. Since Pluto in Capricorn will continue until 2024.. Making the youngest of Pluto in Cancer 86 years old.. I mean it does seem like a natural harbringer of death, sure? The average global age that a person dies at is 67 years for males and 71.1 years for females. Meaning that it isn't necessarily common for someone to live past 86 even though it is possible.
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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 01, 2019 03:22 PM
It sounds like you need to look at Pluto's orbit again. January 1900 started with Pluto at 15° Gemini. It did not reach opposition to that position (10° Sagittarius) until 31 January 1999. That's 99 years, not the average lifespan (~70 worldwide), but well beyond it. And that is the 'short half' of Pluto's orbit.From middle Sag (15°) back around to middle Gemini (10°) will take nearly 138 years, until July 2137. So no, that transit does not normally happen in forming the window of death. It is preceded by numerous other transits that don't necessary depend on major aspects by Pluto to its natal position. Every chart is different and has its own metrics. Besides, Pluto can make various transits far more often in declination, making two contra-parallels to its natal position for every opposition that will occur near the extremes of declination (21-24°). ------------------
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itsmeyaz
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posted October 01, 2019 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It sounds like you need to look at Pluto's orbit again. January 1900 started with Pluto at 15° Gemini.
I think you did not understand my post. I've said, when a normal death occurs due to aging, I found that the person would die when tPluto would directly opposite his natal Pluto. THAT sentence in itself, suggests that the person is OLD. *hint the aging part*. So that is why it made me wonder, that even though the person is 86 years old or whatever, they would die when tPluto opp natal Pluto. This is what I noticed from many charts of people in my family and people I know of.
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itsmeyaz
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posted October 01, 2019 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by athenaia:
Making the youngest of Pluto in Cancer 86 years old.. I mean it does seem like a natural harbringer of death, sure? The average global age that a person dies at is 67 years for males and 71.1 years for females. Meaning that it isn't necessarily common for someone to live past 86 even though it is possible.
I would say the same thing I said in the above reply.
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hypatia238
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posted October 02, 2019 05:46 PM
Well my friend who is Capricorn died June 23 and my sister's mother in law who is a Capricorn died yesterday Morning October 1st so Maybe for some Capricorns with pluto hitting their sun death is showing up in a more literal way, there are many types of death.He has Sun in capricorn at 21 degrees. Tr Pluto was retro applying his Sun under 1 degree the day he died. IP: Logged |
DRVM614K
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posted October 05, 2019 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well my friend who is Capricorn died June 23 and my sister's mother in law who is a Capricorn died yesterday Morning October 1st so Maybe for some Capricorns with pluto hitting their sun death is showing up in a more literal way, there are many types of death.He has Sun in capricorn at 21 degrees. Tr Pluto was retro applying his Sun under 1 degree the day he died.
I mean Pluto and Saturn would be the planets that coorelate to literal death , its just not that every Pluto transit will result in death, of course. If ur pushing 80 and have these transiting personal placements I'd definitely keep an eye out IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted October 08, 2019 02:34 PM
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manymoones
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posted October 08, 2019 03:04 PM
I don’t have any experience to add for Pluto opp Pluto. But along similar lines I lost my father this year in a tragic accident when tPluto conjunct his Sun. Transiting Pluto was conjunct my natal Saturn and transiting Saturn sextile natal Pluto the day he died. Currently have transiting Pluto sextile natal Pluto. I am experiencing a rebirth... at least I keep telling myself that wish you all a lovely day IP: Logged |
cthonicstar
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posted October 08, 2019 03:17 PM
I don't mean to be THAT person (I'm fun at parties, I promise!) but I genuinely want to know how this works with Pluto's various lengths of stay in each sign. It stays in some signs for anywhere between 12 to 30 years. So for most on average it would mean anywhere from their 3rd to 9th transit. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted October 14, 2019 12:32 PM
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mirage29
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posted October 14, 2019 01:47 PM
Pluto is an extraordinary long transit.
Easy for people to place a heavy thumb on that scale of 'what' to blame the sky for?*~
Manymoones.. Condolences (and comfort-hugs) on the passing of your Father.  Psychologically, that's a difficult one.
I had been estranged from mine for multiple DECADES. When I saw the notice through grapevine (2007), it was VERY impacting.. Not possible to describe or really adequately prepare for the effects it can have inside. My father and I were never in close in relationship-- was 'absent' detached-dad. So, if you had a good relationship, I can just imagine the added pain that must have caused. Much Love to you, IP: Logged |
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