posted October 06, 2019 11:51 AM            

I think the desire could be to work independently either as a contractor,a specialist or in projects that are not too long-term based with others.

If they start their own thing, its likely the energy is going to be focused more on minding the quality side of that something and working with mantaining standards etc. So the business will be SLOW to start and they may need assistance with the overall start-up.

Virgo is more a specialist than a generic worker. And perhaps there could be a Cap/Taurus with them to take care of the admin so that Virgo can focus more on the "top-down" level strategies ? That is if the energy is missing natally.

I see Virgo energy as energy that deals with problems or themes of "help" or work. Whether this comes from the spouse, friend, neighbor etc.

Its energy where there are issues of division of shared duties(Libra/Virgo cusp) i.e what is mine to do and what is yours to do OR what exactly is expected of me at work? As Virgo dislikes uncertainty and vague job descriptions. So problems with the boss arise if the boss is not clear within this regards.

There is also the enjoyment one gets when assisting or being assisted by someone at work, completing a task or even the mundane aspects of life (Leo/Virgo cusp)

Virgo also has emphasis on being technically skilled or well-versed. The Virgo north node would suggest an ability to pick things up quickly(mentally), be able to hone processes or improve upon them by quickly recognizing their falacies/limitations and making changes.

posted October 06, 2019 02:24 PM            

Any conjunctions? What House? Where is the ruler placed? What are the rulers strongest aspects? Is there cusping going on?

Here's a real world example:

0 to 1 degree Virgo N. Node (thus strongly cusping Leo) in the 1st House, ruler Mercury in Capricorn widely conjunct Cap Sun, ruler of the Ascendant/chart and trine Virgo Jupiter with less than a degree separation.

This person has had many lowly, servitude positions (does not gravitate to positions of power and authority over others, and avoids same consciously). However, they have decided to strike out on their own and become primarily their own boss.

On a deeper, spiritual level, guidance from dreams, professional intuitives, synchronicity, etc over the years has consistently painted a larger picture of being a consciousness facilitator you could say, and an eventual destiny of influencing the many.

posted October 06, 2019 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Needs a more holistic and detailed picture.

Any conjunctions? What House? Where is the ruler placed? What are the rulers strongest aspects? Is there cusping going on?

Here's a real world example:

0 to 1 degree Virgo N. Node (thus strongly cusping Leo) in the 1st House, ruler Mercury in Capricorn widely conjunct Cap Sun, ruler of the Ascendant/chart and trine Virgo Jupiter with less than a degree separation.

This person has had many lowly, servitude positions (does not gravitate to positions of power and authority over others, and avoids same consciously). However, they have decided to strike out on their own and become primarily their own boss.

On a deeper, spiritual level, guidance from dreams, professional intuitives, synchronicity, etc over the years has consistently painted a larger picture of being a consciousness facilitator you could say, and an eventual destiny of influencing the many.

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The Virgo NN is in the 8th house, in conjunction with Saturn, which is the ruler of the chart. T-Square between Neptune in the 12th, moon-Mars in the 6th and Saturn in the middle. Saturn sextiles Venus and Uranus. Cancer sun, Gemini moon.

Saturn is 2 degrees before the cusp of the 9th house. Is this what you mean by casping?

posted October 07, 2019 07:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Aries23Degrees
I think of something more long term, and yes, what you wrote about the NN virgo energy seems to fit. I'm just not sure whether working independently in the field of therapy, without any connection to any system or organization, is more of a Pisces thing (SN) or Virgo thing.

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Hmmm...I wouldn't separate the two really but see them as a point of balance ie.one always falls back on their South Node before realising they have bumped the boulder and then go back to performing the balancing act.

I have Mars in 6th and I enjoy solo work. Although granted my Mars in Libra would actually fare just as well with a partner.

But I see Virgo as working alone as much as Pisces.The difference being that Virgos approach to work is to follow protocol. Pisces can struggle with this ie. Stringently adhering to such.

So Virgo's may often prefer the policies /rules and procedure of an existing system (which company's typically have) whereas Pisces is more comfortable to "play it by ear"

Virgo: Pisces? Where are you?

Pisces:I am on my way.

Virgo: I didn't ask you if you are on your way, I asked you where you are?

Pisces:Right around the corner.

posted October 07, 2019 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Aries23Degrees
I think of something more long term, and yes, what you wrote about the NN virgo energy seems to fit. I'm just not sure whether working independently in the field of therapy, without any connection to any system or organization, is more of a Pisces thing (SN) or Virgo thing.

Anonymidarkness
But Kobe plays in a team, doesn't he? (I'm not really familiar with him. I understand he is very independent in his career. But he still finds himself within the organization/group, no? Is it a one man's show?

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Yeah, with Kobe most of the time, it seemed it was a one man show, you are asking about your own node right? The person I know is good with team, definitely, organizing and stuff, and can actually turn the team-work into a one man show, but I also see a certain fear of just running from the top, like perhaps a Cappy NN would, its like he wants to be the head, but also fears it. I don't see him completely thriving in an independent role though, its like he does need people, or more like he enjoys it. Both him and Kobe also have Mars in Libra.

posted October 07, 2019 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hmmm...I wouldn't separate the two really but see them as a point of balance ie.one always falls back on their South Node before realising they have bumped the boulder and then go back to performing the balancing act.

I have Mars in 6th and I enjoy solo work. Although granted my Mars in Libra would actually fare just as well with a partner.

But I see Virgo as working alone as much as Pisces.The difference being that Virgos approach to work is to follow protocol. Pisces can struggle with this ie. Stringently adhering to such.

So Virgo's may often prefer the policies /rules and procedure of an existing system (which company's typically have) whereas Pisces is more comfortable to "play it by ear"

Virgo: Pisces? Where are you?

Pisces:I am on my way.

Virgo: I didn't ask you if you are on your way, I asked you where you are?

Pisces:Right around the corner.

Virgo:

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Mars in the 6th has to do with solo work? Really? Mine is in the 6th. I wonder..
I think I'm falling on my SN with this one. I mean, it should be creative, and even though I haven't yet began the studies, I don't think there are strict rules in this field.. and finishing studies I might find myself in the air, because it's not a profession acknowledged by the health system where I live.. So the only option is independent, and I don't know how it will be for me. But the devil attracts me to this fun path.

posted October 07, 2019 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Yeah, with Kobe most of the time, it seemed it was a one man show, you are asking about your own node right? The person I know is good with team, definitely, organizing and stuff, and can actually turn the team-work into a one man show, but I also see a certain fear of just running from the top, like perhaps a Cappy NN would, its like he wants to be the head, but also fears it. I don't see him completely thriving in an independent role though, its like he does need people, or more like he enjoys it. Both him and Kobe also have Mars in Libra.

Me personally I prefer the independent career, I can't really work as an employee, I feel like I can't express my complete potential when I'm working under someone else, Scorpio NN, Aqua Mars.

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I work currently as an employee, but my work allows for space, and I don't feel bossed. Yet, I need more... I want to develop my helping skills, and dive into the human psyche! There is this holistic program I'm interested in... I probably gonna enroll this year even though, to tell the truth, I hate self marketing, and I sense I'm not that good with uncertainty in life. But this is one thing I feel like doing right now, maybe it's a mistake, but I wanna.

What house is your Scorpio NN?

posted October 07, 2019 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
The Virgo NN is in the 8th house, in conjunction with Saturn, which is the ruler of the chart. T-Square between Neptune in the 12th, moon-Mars in the 6th and Saturn in the middle. Saturn sextiles Venus and Uranus. Cancer sun, Gemini moon.

Saturn is 2 degrees before the cusp of the 9th house. Is this what you mean by casping?

Thank you for taking the time to consider this.

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That is a form of cusping, but House cusping. What I was referring to was Sign cusping. When a Planet or point is towards the beginning or end of a Sign, it will be blended with the Sign either before or after same.

The closer to the very beginning or very end, the more noticeable it will be. I typically give cusping a 7 degree range with most symbols, and almost up to 9/10 degrees with Sun, Rising/other Angle, or a chart ruler that is also a personal planet or point (like Moon, Mercury, Venus, or Mars).

Anyways, while the Saturn conjunction is definitely important, I would also look at where Mercury is and it's strongest aspects secondly.

If the chart is very accurate, than this position, generally speaking, it indicates a life path that will tend to be quite difficult and challenging in some deep ways, but ultimately a lot of karma can be balanced and a lot of transformation can be had.

Saturn deeply wants and seeks authority, power, and/or control, but Virgo tends to shy away from this and tends to the more subservient and menial. (In a sense, they kind of balance each other out, and/or tone each other down in this area).

Part of the lesson might be to learn greater humility, practicality, responsibility, and discrimination in the work/service area, and especially in regards to other peoples finances and resources (and maybe also in the sexual area as well). If this isn't consciously moved towards, then life/circumstances will tend to slap the person upside the head quite harshly in order to get their attention to this developmental need.

posted October 07, 2019 11:04 PM            

I guess if I studied social work years ago instead of my chosen subjects, I could have gone ways. Saying that, I'm not sure I was ripe then.

posted October 07, 2019 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
I work currently as an employee, but my work allows for space, and I don't feel bossed. Yet, I need more... I want to develop my helping skills, and dive into the human psyche! There is this holistic program I'm interested in... I probably gonna enroll this year even though, to tell the truth, I hate self marketing, and I sense I'm not that good with uncertainty in life. But this is one thing I feel like doing right now, maybe it's a mistake, but I wanna.

What house is your Scorpio NN?

P.s. it feels like my path is strewn with mistakes. I need order and safety so much, yet going again for the same ol' temptation, a house in the clouds. But the need is so bad.

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Certainty has this certain pull I guess, even until the very end...sometimes it does help to lit a fire under your butt to help you jump though, just to give that little push, a goal perhaps(only if you feel comfortable with it, otherwise it'll just create anxiety). A Saturn conjunct NN might do well with having a goal, sorta.

posted October 08, 2019 12:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Mars in the 6th has to do with solo work? Really? Mine is in the 6th. I wonder..
I think I'm falling on my SN with this one. I mean, it should be creative, and even though I haven't yet began the studies, I don't think there are strict rules in this field.. and finishing studies I might find myself in the air, because it's not a profession acknowledged by the health system where I live.. So the only option is independent, and I don't know how it will be for me. But the devil attracts me to this fun path.

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Mars in 6th can work alone.It tends towards workaholism and dislikes slackers on the job.

It can find it hard to get on with others or collaborate( unless Libra/Aqua is there) because of the single minded approach that Mars has.

I knew i had this position way before i learned about doing charts.Felt it in my gut that there was momentum related to the 6th.

Pisces also suggests (at worst) ill discipline,a tendency to get easily distracted and drift away from the task at hand,procrastination,an inability to follow a schedule, late coming(together with Aqua),forgetfulness, being disorganised,needing assistance close at hand or a level headed person,irking responsibility, avoiding detail work etc.

posted October 08, 2019 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Certainty has this certain pull I guess, even until the very end...sometimes it does help to lit a fire under your butt to help you jump though, just to give that little push, a goal perhaps(only if you feel comfortable with it, otherwise it'll just create anxiety). A Saturn conjunct NN might do well with having a goal, sorta.

Mine is in 1st house, conjunct Pluto, so I guess it lights my ass on fire rofl.

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Yea, I always need a goal, and to plan ahead.

posted October 08, 2019 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Mars in 6th can work alone.It tends towards workaholism and dislikes slackers on the job.

It can find it hard to get on with others or collaborate( unless Libra/Aqua is there) because of the single minded approach that Mars has.

I knew i had this position way before i learned about doing charts.Felt it in my gut that there was momentum related to the 6th.

Pisces also suggests (at worst) ill discipline,a tendency to get easily distracted and drift away from the task at hand,procrastination,an inability to follow a schedule, late coming(together with Aqua),forgetfulness, being disorganised,needing assistance close at hand or a level headed person,irking responsibility, avoiding detail work etc.

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