posted October 07, 2019 08:21 AM            

SA Venus just separating from my natal Asc.

Progressed Venus moving toward natal Venus.

Which should I watch/follow?
Which is more powerful?

posted October 08, 2019 04:03 PM            

Secondary progressions are more real because they keep all the planets in their original synchronized movements, and if you use the Quotidian or true progressions the Asc and cusps are also kept true to original (transit) movements.

Solar arcs are 90% symbolic fiction. I understand they are pretty popular, but the only real thing there is Sun's movement. Venus does not move at the rate of the Sun, nor does it continue on in direct motion. It goes retrograde from geocentric perspective.

So I choose to keep the metaphor of progression unified within one Earth-based metaphor (day-for-a-year) instead of mixing the metaphor by imposing an arbitrary speed of motion upon the other planets.

posted October 09, 2019 01:24 AM            

For example ... my secondary-progressed natal Uranus will never be conjunct natal Moon during my lifetime, but became so (exactly) by Solar Arc just before my 9th birthday. The secondary progressed chart for age 9 has secondary progressed Mercury (at 29Sco10) activating my natal Uranus/9th*-Chiron/3rd qcx (at 29Gem45-29Sco29). ... And those (age 8-10) years of SA Uranus-Natal Moon activity were very emotionally disturbing for me (as it became increasingly apparent that the UK education system's streaming process was likely to result in me being separated from all of my childhood school-and-neighbourhood friends - which I feared/did not want.)

So ... SA Uranus was highlighting a period of emotional trauma, but the qcx of secondary progressed Mercury to natal Uranus was highlighting a period of intellectual expansion.

posted October 09, 2019 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Track secondary progressed Venus, and look at its declination too.

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posted October 17, 2019 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Valmu83:
Are you meaning declination progressions?

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Yes.

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Are those interpret similarly than solar arcs?

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Interpret them as secondary progressions, which is what they are.

posted October 18, 2019 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Interpret them as secondary progressions, which is what they are.

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posted October 18, 2019 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Valmu83:
Thank you for answering. Can you recommend any good book about progressions? And if you could, can you tell what would be Sun contraparallel Venus? I noticed I have this progressed declination ahead at year 2022. Hardship with love or art related things?

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The aspect will have to be within 0°05' orb to be fully active.

I'm an autodidact and have very few astrology books. The ones I have are mostly limited, even disappointing. So I can't recommend any books on progressions. Learning the astrological language is the key. You don't need specialized books to learn each portion of the astrological language. And it is harder to learn when our vision is clouded by hopes, fears, agendas, etc.

Think of this upcoming progressed aspect (or any transit/progressed aspect) as (part of) a window of opportunity, not a hardship. Preface it with an expectation of hardship and you'll put yourself in a defensive mindset that won't see what it allows: a window of opportunity for finding more a balance of will with love/beauty. Within the challenge is the chance for a good experience overall.

Oppositions and contra-parallels help us learn balance, and we are all in a growth process of learning greater balance. If you start building your intention now to develop and focus your creative ability or social involvement in a mutually beneficial way, then the window of opportunity will be more fruitful once it comes along.

posted October 19, 2019 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The aspect will have to be within 0°05' orb to be fully active.

I'm an autodidact and have very few astrology books. The ones I have are mostly limited, even disappointing. So I can't recommend any books on progressions. Learning the astrological language is the key. You don't need specialized books to learn each portion of the astrological language. And it is harder to learn when our vision is clouded by hopes, fears, agendas, etc.

Think of this upcoming progressed aspect (or any transit/progressed aspect) as (part of) a window of opportunity, not a hardship. Preface it with an expectation of hardship and you'll put yourself in a defensive mindset that won't see what it allows: a window of opportunity for finding more a balance of will with love/beauty. Within the challenge is the chance for a good experience overall.

Oppositions and contra-parallels help us learn [b]balance, and we are all in a growth process of learning greater balance. If you start building your intention now to develop and focus your creative ability or social involvement in a mutually beneficial way, then the window of opportunity will be more fruitful once it comes along.

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Okay, when progressed declination Sun parallel my Venus at summer 2007 I got the information I was accepted to study art and I remember that autumn felt like honeymoon for me. I actually described it like that at the time. Maybe I forsake that career entirely at 2022. I really would like to know why it’s always art related for me not love :/

posted October 19, 2019 01:36 PM            

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Okay, when progressed declination Sun parallel my Venus at summer 2007 I got the information I was accepted to study art and I remember that autumn felt like honeymoon for me. I actually described it like that at the time. Maybe I forsake that career entirely at 2022. I really would like to know why it’s always art related for me not love :/

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Sorry I can't answer that question for you, but I suggest the use of the term 'always' will work against you if it remains cemented in your outlook on this. What you've described is what has happened, the past.

The real trick of astrology is converting the mind to seeing the future as open and a product of our co-creative consciousness that can use windows of opportunity in a more open way. I just explained in a previous response how that is done: by activating intent well prior to such windows of opportunity ...
if wanting a satisfying intimate relationship spend your time learning how to be the most loving partner you can be so when the window of opportunity opens up you will be more fully prepared and create a satisfying outcome. In other words, become the change you want to see -- grow into the kind of person you'd like to be with.

If you see a pattern over time you don't like, then go about changing it within your own consciousness. A lot of this is about changing the universe within instead of waiting and hoping passively as if the power of love were outside you. It is inside you.

posted October 20, 2019 05:48 AM            

Other than that I see your point. For myself I have tried to heal myself and gone to therapy etc. And tried to date people. I have seen in the past that all love related progressions& solar arcs will bring art related things into my life or then bad love experience even though they should bring good one..according what I have read. So I decided to stop making art, because I felt so hurt and betrayed by life, but it didn’t help. I think it’s natural for me to wonder why is this happening to me and how could I change “my destiny”.

posted October 20, 2019 11:41 AM            

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But very worried as I’m 36 and feeling that I don’t have enough time to heal myself, meet someone and have a family. Very worried.

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You have natal Sun at 29Leo34 sextile Saturn at 29Libra55, with both qcx your Dsc at 28Pisces16. ... So, these planets (at the anaretic degree) are permanently focused upon your 7th house (relationships) - and a yod formation is created whenever a planet progresses or transits the Dsc.

Have you reviewed the periods in your life when a progressed or transitting planet moved through 27Pisces16 to 29Pisces16? ... And, if you have, what happened when Saturn did so (from 27th to 31st March 1996)?

And, when Uranus did so (in April, September, October 2010 and January+February 2011)?

posted October 20, 2019 02:00 PM            

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You have natal Sun at 29Leo34 sextile Saturn at 29Libra55, with both qcx your Dsc at 28Pisces16. ... So, these planets (at the anaretic degree) are permanently focused upon your 7th house (relationships) - and a yod formation is created whenever a planet progresses or transits the Dsc.

Have you reviewed the periods in your life when a progressed or transitting planet moved through 27Pisces16 to 29Pisces16? ... And, if you have, what happened when Saturn did so (from 27th to 31st March 1996)?

And, when Uranus did so (in April, September, October 2010 and January+February 2011)?

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Thank you, that was new information for me. And worriesome too..will that always bring upheaval or challenges then? It seems to be emotional or physical violence..but hard to remember or pinpoint if its really because of this influence. I was very young at 1996. I think my parents were about to divorce. And they did eventually 97. But it bad bad time since 92 or 93, my father was mentally Ill and violent towards me. I don’t recall anything special from that spring but all those years I was really sad and anxious.

At 2010 and 2011 I was in love with my gay friend. I think he took advantage of my emotions and wanted to have support and ego boost ( that was his pattern with other people too) at my expense. Eventually that lead me to broke our friendship and around the same time I ended friendship with another female friend too. She had been my best friend for years but showed me time after time that she didn’t feel the same. I felt I had to do that to honour my own boundaries as they weren’t. Years after that I made peace with both of them. Also I think that was the time my current depression and exhaustion was beginning to be really bad at the first time.

posted October 20, 2019 05:21 PM            

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So you don’t think anything is predestined?

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"Destiny" is largely an illusion people use to feel connected to a positive view of their future, or to just comfort themselves. What is more important is the consciousness you take on, believing in yourself, trusting your intuitions, what you're drawn to; setting a spiritual ideal to guide you in making choices.

Outcomes are not predestined.

However, that does not extract the meaning from life or the potential of anyone's future. As it comes to having a mate, I've said this over and over, but it is worth repeating: there is a mate for everyone who wants one. Period.

What holds people back is fear in its shadowy and insidious variations. Human beings are complex and human life can get complicated. We can simultaneously desire love and acceptance yet be too afraid to reach out for it, too stuck in a narrow pattern in who we attract and how we reach out for it. Some people's windows of opportunity for finding a partner don't open up for them until later in life than they'd like. If that seems dreadful, then the misery in that is already within you. Heal from your wounds by changing the paradigm on which you understand healing. Rid yourself of self-loathing. Love yourself. If you can't love yourself and you're waiting and hoping for someone who can, they will likely disappoint you.

Self-acceptance commands spiritual respect.

We all continue to have various windows of opportunity throughout our lives. But a general window of opportunity for say extended social contacts could also open up later intimate partnership in a way we cannot not see short-term. Rarely do we get what we want in our love lives by going for it directly. It almost always happens roundabout as we live our lives most fully.

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... I think it’s natural for me to wonder why is this happening to me and how could I change “my destiny”...

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Of course. But the paradigm shift is to understand it's not happening 'to' you. It's a pattern originating from within you that you can change. That shift isn't necessarily easy. Believe me, it wasn't easy for me. But I did it. I had a pattern well into my mid-30s of being attracted to women who were not available to/for me. I was chronically lonely and hit bottom in 2004 that was so painful, so sad that I pity myself when looking back in hindsight. But no one could change it but me. I had to see it as a pattern of consciousness limiting my behavior and change it. I used a number of different tools or methods to accomplish that, but most importantly I recognized it was my pattern and I enacted an intention to change it no matter what it took. The tools I used were appropriate for me and might not be for you. What matters is enacting the resolve to change the pattern, to take charge of my life and outcomes. That is not necessarily felt palpably as an ongoing passion, but a subtle inner intent that you keep enacting over and over.

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... But very worried as I’m 36 and feeling that I don’t have enough time to heal myself, meet someone and have a family. Very worried...

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I was almost 39 before I met my wife. I went through depression and loneliness -- and the time it took to heal, the waiting -- it was all worth it.

Let go of the worry in moments at a time and cultivate peace within yourself long enough to co-create the life you want. There is no fear in love for perfect love casts out all fear. You can also flip that around ... there is no love in fear for fear blocks love. It's true. One moment of peaceful meditative co-creation with the universe can begin to undo years of fear and worry.

Astrology won't solve this. You can by co-creating with the universe. Read my response to mztiny's question about moving. I explain co-creation:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241368.html

posted October 21, 2019 12:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Valmu83:
Thank you, that was new information for me. And worriesome too..will that always bring upheaval or challenges then? It seems to be emotional or physical violence..but hard to remember or pinpoint if its really because of this influence. I was very young at 1996. I think my parents were about to divorce. And they did eventually 97. But it bad bad time since 92 or 93, my father was mentally Ill and violent towards me. I don’t recall anything special from that spring but all those years I was really sad and anxious.

At 2010 and 2011 I was in love with my gay friend. I think he took advantage of my emotions and wanted to have support and ego boost ( that was his pattern with other people too) at my expense. Eventually that lead me to broke our friendship and around the same time I ended friendship with another female friend too. She had been my best friend for years but showed me time after time that she didn’t feel the same. I felt I had to do that to honour my own boundaries as they weren’t. Years after that I made peace with both of them. Also I think that was the time my current depression and exhaustion was beginning to be really bad at the first time.

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Having (as a child) observed the problems/hardship that your mother will have endured (in living/coping with your father) ... might you then have (unconsciously) attracted partners that were "unavailable" (to ensure that you would not experience what your mother had experienced)?

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Can you recommend any good book about progressions?

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[*The difference is that events created by progression manifest internally (as a mindset) rather than externally. For example, Robert Hand warns that the transit of Mars opposite Pluto can signify acts of violence - so, the progression of Mars opposite Pluto can signify a period during which the chart-owner's mindset will cause him/her to behave in a way that attracts violence. ... Hence, if attacked by another, the wise astrology student will always look (retrospectively) at his/her progressions to discover what he/she did to "make that transit event happen".]
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At 2010 and 2011 I was in love with my gay friend. I think he took advantage of my emotions and wanted to have support and ego boost ( that was his pattern with other people too) at my expense.

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posted November 03, 2019 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Having (as a child) observed the problems/hardship that your mother will have endured (in living/coping with your father) ... might you then have (unconsciously) attracted partners that were [b]"unavailable" (to ensure that you would not experience what your mother had experienced)?

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[QUOTE]Can you recommend any good book about progressions?

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[*The difference is that events created by progression manifest internally (as a mindset) rather than externally. For example, Robert Hand warns that the transit of Mars opposite Pluto can signify acts of violence - so, the progression of Mars opposite Pluto can signify a period during which the chart-owner's mindset will cause him/her to behave in a way that attracts violence. ... Hence, if attacked by another, the wise astrology student will always look (retrospectively) at his/her progressions to discover what he/she did to "make that transit event happen".]
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At 2010 and 2011 I was in love with my gay friend. I think he took advantage of my emotions and wanted to have support and ego boost ( that was his pattern with other people too) at my expense.

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Thanks! 2010-2013 were also the years I made lot of great artworks and had unique ideas. But I that was the time I also started to learn astrology and realised how difficult my chart was in relationships area and how everything manifested through art and love experiences had been **** and still they are. And how me living at my fantasy world is childish. Enjoying old romantic movies etc. I was also made awesome that I’m stupid because this “naivety.”. And I decided to stop making art and to not to enjoy my imagination anymore. To see if it would made heavenly influences find another way to manifest. To have love in my life. But no. So now I’m in situation where I suffer even more. But I was so deeply hurt by all of this, realising all of that. I still think it was right thing to do. All my success made me painfully aware of my lacking in relationship area. I kind of made suicide without killing my self.

I don’t think I’m afraid I would go through what my mom did but just that someone will be violent towards me again. So it’s very strong survival tactic that is going on inside me. I realise that but not been able to broke it yet. And I have been in therapy as I said earlier so I have tried to overcome this.

posted November 03, 2019 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Having (as a child) observed the problems/hardship that your mother will have endured (in living/coping with your father) ... might you then have (unconsciously) attracted partners that were [b]"unavailable" (to ensure that you would not experience what your mother had experienced)?

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[QUOTE]Can you recommend any good book about progressions?

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[*The difference is that events created by progression manifest internally (as a mindset) rather than externally. For example, Robert Hand warns that the transit of Mars opposite Pluto can signify acts of violence - so, the progression of Mars opposite Pluto can signify a period during which the chart-owner's mindset will cause him/her to behave in a way that attracts violence. ... Hence, if attacked by another, the wise astrology student will always look (retrospectively) at his/her progressions to discover what he/she did to "make that transit event happen".]
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At 2010 and 2011 I was in love with my gay friend. I think he took advantage of my emotions and wanted to have support and ego boost ( that was his pattern with other people too) at my expense.

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Thanks! 2010-2013 were also the years I made lot of great artworks and had unique ideas. But I that was the time I also started to learn astrology and realised how difficult my chart was in relationships area and how everything manifested through art and love experiences had been **** and still they are. And how me living at my fantasy world is childish. Enjoying old romantic movies etc. I was also made awesome that I’m stupid because this “naivety.”. And I decided to stop making art and to not to enjoy my imagination anymore. To see if it would made heavenly influences find another way to manifest. To have love in my life. But no. So now I’m in situation where I suffer even more. But I was so deeply hurt by all of this, realising all of that. I still think it was right thing to do. All my success made me painfully aware of my lacking in relationship area. I kind of made suicide without killing my self.

I don’t think I’m afraid I would go through what my mom did but just that someone will be violent towards me again. So it’s very strong survival tactic that is going on inside me. I realise that but not been able to broke it yet. And I have been in therapy as I said earlier so I have tried to overcome this.