posted October 09, 2019 11:10 AM            

The closer the conjunction, the more the two symbols are resonating each other.

And in sign cusping, the closer the symbol to the end/beginning of the sign, the more merging/blending is going on.

I'll give an example. My Mercury is fairly within my 5th House, but my Sun is right at the 6th House cusp (from the Placidius, from the Koch it's a bit in the 5th but definitely cusping the 6th).

I happen to feel and notice the Sun in both the 5th and 6th. Part of it is that the conjunction with Mercury is in a sense, pulling some of that Solar symbolism into the 5th. This is further strengthened since the ruler of the 5th is in a trine to the Sun (though wide).

Nor should we think of House cusps as exactly accurate. They are approximations at best.

Then there is that whole Cayce pandora's box of the potential difference between spiritual/energetic birth times and the physical and how the chart isn't always accurate when there is a difference.

I would read both interpretations and see which one objectively and logically fits more. It may be that you notice it in both, like in my case.

posted October 09, 2019 11:12 AM            

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There are more than 40 methods astrologers use to determine the beginning point (the cusp) of each house in a person's Astrology chart. One of these methods is called the "5 degree rule." This method acts as a valuable middle-ground for many of these methods. Under the 5 degree rule, if a planet is within 5 degrees of the cusp of the following house, the planet is considered in that following house." ... http://www.tarot.com/astrology/5-degree-rule

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My personal rule is to ask the chart owner what happened when such a planet was simultaneously activated by progression(s) and transit(s), to ascertain if the related event involved only the activities of one or other of the houses (rather than both). ... A test which I expect to reveal that the earlier house is active until the chart owner has identified and resolved a past-life issue - whilst his/her development in the current lifetime requires the focus to be upon the activities of the later house.

posted October 12, 2019 01:31 PM            

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My perception is my mars is in the 4th, but it's in the 3rd for people (professional and social relationships, I'd actually say I'm close to people when my mars feels home, in the 4th).

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posted October 12, 2019 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

Growth of 4th psychological foundations is the focus (in the current lifetime) ... but hampered (initially) by past-life issues, created via professional and social interactions with others?

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posted October 12, 2019 03:22 PM            

Haha, conjunctions can be so disturbing, it's taken me months as a child to just accept that my sun and ASC are conjunct but in different signs! lol

posted October 12, 2019 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
QUOTE]Originally posted by teasel:
[b]I don't know. I have this going on with my Moon/Venus - one at the end of the 7th house, one at the beginning of the 8th, and they're conjunct. When you use equal or koch, they shift to the 8th. Or maybe koch had them in the 7th. I can't remember.

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Haha, conjunctions can be so disturbing, it's taken me months as a child to just accept that my sun and ASC are conjunct but in different signs! lol

Yep, I was taught that when a planet is at the end of a house, you read it as being in the next because it is "attracted to" it, to that area of the sky... How do you feel? Full 8th or a bit 7th in or out? [/B][/QUOTE]

posted October 13, 2019 05:04 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I'm not really sure. SV pointed out that not letting go of something, isn't a Gemini trait. I can be both welcoming and also closed off, so that fits both houses (or just Gemini in the 8th). I'll have to think about it.

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posted October 17, 2019 03:19 PM            

In all questions of "this house vs that house" refer back to the Asc and nail it down with the tightest accuracy possible -- on astrological terms of verification (sign and degree), not based on what a non-astrological (medical) document or word-of-mouth testimony says or implies about what the Asc should be. That figure, the exact degree and minute of arc for the Asc, sets the bookends for all houses in the chart.

Once you've done that, use Placidus only and see where the planet falls.

posted October 17, 2019 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Can't answer the question directly except in a vague hypothetical that may have little or no relevance to your particular chart.

In all questions of "this house vs that house" refer back to the Asc and nail it down with the tightest accuracy possible -- on astrological terms of verification (sign and degree), not based on what a non-astrological (medical) document or word-of-mouth testimony says or implies about what the Asc should be. That figure, the exact degree and minute of arc for the Asc, sets the bookends for all houses in the chart.

Once you've done that, use Placidus only and see where the planet falls.

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posted October 18, 2019 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is a great question. I consider things in the house in which they reside except if they are in the 12th and then I allow a 10 degree orb from the ASC and consider them conjunct the ASC but I realize that there really is no hard and fast rule.

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posted October 19, 2019 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Just to avoid poorly describing some things, this is my chart http://hosting.photobucket.com/images /a529/MoonBeth/0/6106acb5-1ee2-41e4-9070-4333387c5e39-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds I love your answer for 2 reasons.
The first one is that it makes so much sense and is so "basic" in the best way ever, of course, house, Asc
The second is more personal. I never questioned my rising. There was an astrologer in the family when I was born and I always trusted she would have made sure the data was collected properly and there'd be no doubt possible as to my exact time of birth. Also, Leo makes sense because I see no other nearby sign that could be a better Asc for me and I don't mean that in a "I love it way". I have a long struggle with that energy in me and with others too, so it's something I feel is me for better for worse (unlike my sun, moon and mars, which I love to death and wouldn't trade for any other). And yet, my birth time is "round" and that has annoyed me for a while, somehow I'd trust it more if it were something such as 11:14 pm or 3:17 am lol but it's a number you round up or down to and I know five minutes off do change the rising in my case so it also has always been a bit of a tickle.
That said, I would really not see myself as a Virgo rising, wouldn't mind being one but it doesn't sound right. As for degree, how would I go about assessing the accuracy of my Asc's degree please?

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Thanks for asking. The answer is I use a rectification procedure in which the chart is tested through careful analysis of transits and culminating progressed aspects for major life events to find out exactly where the Asc is (sometimes indirectly through the MC or IC) within a couple minutes arc. That virtually guarantees you'll know exactly what house every planet falls into and only rarely are there cuspy exceptions (luminaries that can fall right on house cusps, partly in two houses).

Doing this is very inconvenient. I don't like it. It is often rather pains-taking, but I'm very good at it. The point in a rectification procedure is not to change the chart's Asc, but to put it through rigorous testing to be sure the transits and progressions for your life events agree, both pointing to the correct spot: transits by combined effect to the degree area, and progressed aspects by their culminations coordinated with in mundi rotation. And that last bit is important because houses are created by the effect of in mundi rotation.

With a rounded time figure you are right to leave room for doubt of the Asc figure. Most often, however, the actual Asc degree differs from the purported one by more than you'd assume. If you clearly identify with Leo rising, as outlined on my rising signs page then it does make the process a bit easier.

If you'd like to inquire in more detail you can email me through my website by sending your full birth data: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/about-contact/
In some cases the Asc answer is more clear-cut and doesn't require a wrangling rodeo of rectification to get to it. Now and then I'm able to solve the issue pretty quickly and if I can I'm happy to do it.

I'm taking about a week off from actual astrology work so if you email me it might be a while before I answer.

posted October 20, 2019 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Thanks for asking.

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Thanks so much for that Kannon, I have checked your site before and have seriously considered requiring your services but I need to be in a better place both mentally (I'm too busy and scattered for proper self work at the moment) and financially (my employer is a thief ^^) for it to be worth it.
I also have heard of your rectification expertise, I was asking as I thought assessing the degree may not involve the whole procedure, still, I find that very impressive, for years I thought not having a birth time was dooming, but I believe your technique is comprehensive enough to yield very valid information. I do love the way you speak about it and the approach you have, it sounds very respectful and comprehensive of life, again, which I think is what good astrology is
You had me at "planets urge us gently, but do not compel"

Thing is I couldn't really say whether I relate more to Leo or Virgo Asc because I am a 1st house Virgo sun and a Leo Venus anyway so both these energies are very much real to me and in interaction with others. If I focus on what others say about me, it's clearly Leo, and not just that, I also relate very much to description of Sun conjunct Asc and Venus conjunct Asc. Somehow the only way I don't relate with anything Leo is because I find it off-putting to deduce I relate with things such as "I make an impression", or have "charisma" or "have magnetic eyes" (though isn't it also a Virgo characteristic?)... years of bullying in school have left myself with a wounded self-esteem so it's quite painful relating to Leo Asc from that perspective as I feel more like a lightening rod than a superstar, but I guess in both cases I do attract attention so it does fit the big cat bill. O and while my face is a pure oval, babysitting boisterous 5 year olds running around in parks has taught me I can hold a note in full chest voice for a really long time
Who am I kidding, I only wish there was a doubt, I have never entered a single room in my life without being noticed which has given me proper "late-anxiety" as I know I'll be seen whenever I show up (I've actually used all my dance training to develop ninja skills to enter conference rooms at work and it's still not 100% foolproof). According to my mum, if my Asc is off it's only by a few minutes (23 or 27 rounded up or down to 25), I have actually gone back and toyed with it and it takes a whole 20 minutes early to change my mars' position and put it firmly in the 4th house, and 8 minutes late to go from Leo rising to Virgo rising. The other houses don't change, so it's highly unlikely the sign and houses are wrong.
Still, I do understand that even an accurate rising and houses position could need some extra accuracy for precise reading and somehow it makes me doubt everything and also comforts me at once? Strange sensation, but yes, you speak my language with "testing the Asc", I understand that very well and don't reject the idea of having you work your magic on it someday.

As far as my original question goes though, I'll stick to mars in the 4th, it's only 2.9 degrees away and it makes SO much sense, even though I sometimes get butt hurt by having the impression it's in the 3rd, I imagine this is what the position precisely means

Enjoy your break

posted October 20, 2019 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is a great question. I consider things in the house in which they reside except if they are in the 12th and then I allow a 10 degree orb from the ASC and consider them conjunct the ASC but I realize that there really is no hard and fast rule.

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Interesting Ami, would you say you naturally did that because of the 12th's nature and how boundaries are tricky with its symbols?