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hypatia238
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posted October 09, 2019 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had an aura reading done this summer and the report said that my feminine side is a little bit more active than my masculine side but the report said they are pretty balanced and integrated which fits my chart:

I have venus conjunct mars by 1 degree. Sun opposite Moon with both sun and moon square Neptune but Neptune squares more tightly my sun and Neptune is a feminine energy so it weakens a little bit my masculine side making it harder to own my sun in Virgo although I feel I own my sun in virgo more than ever in my mid 30s. Interesting enough historically I have always had a harder time identifying with my sun in Virgo and always identified more with my moon in pisces. You add to this that women own more easily their moon and venus to start with.

What are your thoughts on this and how these energies play out in your chart?

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posted October 09, 2019 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting topic and subject, and one very worth discussing as it has some deep ramifications (especially spiritually).

For self, it's quite balanced in both the highlighting of the Signs (between Yin and Yang) and of the Planets (between Yin and Yang).

On an inner level, I do feel slightly tipped to the Yin/Feminine, but because I'm connected to a male body, and a fairly virile one at that (Leo Rising, with ruler, the Sun trine Mars Jupiter conjunction), in a material sense, sometimes I get tipped to the Yang/Masculine side.

My partner/Twin Soul is the exact opposite/mirroring. I've had a couple of dreams of observing her with a male member, which confirmed my intuitive hunch that when our Spirit originally split into two different but ever connected halves, her side was the Yang polarized side, and mine the Yin polarized. She is more go getting, more active, more extroverted, more type A., etc than myself.

Chart wise for Yin in Signs, I have in terms of strongest to increasingly less so, Capricorn Sun, Cap Mercury, Virgo Mars, Pisces South Node/Virgo N. Node, Virgo Jupiter, and Virgo Saturn.

Chart wise for Yang in Signs: Leo Rising, Libra Moon, Aqua Venus (Venus rules Moon and MC and is angular).

Chart wise for Yang for planets: Sun (very slightly Yang polarized), Jupiter (slightly Yang polarized), and further down the list of influencing/active indications, Mars (quite Yang polarized, almost, if not, purely so).

Chart wise for Yin for planets: Neptune (slightly Yin polarized), Venus (moderately Yin polarized, and a bit down the list, Moon (very Yin polarized).

Uranus swings back and forth between these, but it's essential nature is more Yin than not, which is why Cayce's guidance linked it to psychism, which is a receptive, sensing attunement (but again, it can go to the far opposite polarity of very Yang at times). Uranus is fairly strong in the chart.

Haven't figured out Pluto. It's definitely one of the more blended ones, but not sure if Yang or Yin polarized. Moderately highlighted in this chart.

As you will see from the outlining of this chart, it's more complex than most think it is. It's like each Sign and Planet has it's own ratio percentage of Yin to Yang or vice versa, and you have to figure it all out and then add it all up in it's relative strength to passivity.

It is A LOT of data/info to integrate/synthesize.

But to give a hypothetical example of extremes, mid Aries is like 99% Yang to 1% Yin, whereas Aquarius cusping Pisces is like 52% Yang to 48% Yin (and mid Pisces is like 55% Yin to 45% Yang).

Or Mars is like 99.9% Yang to very little Yin, whereas Jupiter is like 55% Yang to 45% Yin, or the Sun is like 51% Yang to 49% Yin. Basically, the faster vibratory the frequency becomes, the more balanced, integrated, and eventually merged between the inner Yin and Yang it becomes.

That which starts out near the red and slowest vibratory part of the spectrum will either be very Yang or very Yin.

But as you move up to violet and golden light, it becomes ever more balanced and merged.

In the White Light of pure Love, is no more distinction. The two have become One within itself, and expresses each equally or a slight polarization according to what is most helpful in that moment, situation, or interaction with others.

To see an example of true spiritual perfection and enlightenment, check out Robert A. Monroe's account of "He/She".

See my two postings at: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000580-2.html

As to my chart and attunement, how it plays out is that I can relate almost equally well to men and women on deeper levels (and feel like both within), but I'm most attracted to those men or women that are like me, unusually balanced and integrated between the two.

I just don't feel much deeper attraction/connection to men that are uber Yang, nor deeper attraction/connection to women that are uber Yin (though sometimes purely sexual/bodily attraction).

Very deep and holistic topic!

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posted October 09, 2019 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:

As to my chart and attunement, how it plays out is that I can relate almost equally well to men and women on deeper levels (and feel like both within), but I'm most attracted to those men or women that are like me, unusually balanced and integrated between the two.

I just don't feel much deeper attraction/connection to men that are uber Yang, nor deeper attraction/connection to women that are uber Yin (though sometimes purely sexual/bodily attraction).

Very deep and holistic topic!


I can relate to that.

I know that earth and water are supposed to be feminine and air and fire male BUT I dont 💯 agree with this...

Capricorn is at home in the 10th house associated with been a provider and the 10H is the Yan of the 4H. Cancer is mega Yin. Ruler of 10H Saturn is male, isn't saturn a male who eats his children? The disciplinarian.

Then Libra, every guy I know with Libra placement has this strong feminine touch about them and Libra is ruled by Venus after all and I feel is the Yin of Aries. I guess I feel with the angles there is a strong yin yan effect and the rest of the signs are a bit more androgenous, interesting since the angles are so powerful.

I feel going by rulership in determining yin or yan of a sign fits more to me than going by element.

Aries yan
Libra yin
Aquarius yan
Leo yan
Pisces yin
Virgo yin
Taurus yin
Scorpio yin
Gemini yan
Saggitarius yan
Cancer yin
Capricorn yan

My opinion is:

Yan: Aries, Aquarius, Leo, Gemini, Sagittarius, Capricorn.

Yin: Cancer, Libra, Taurus, Pisces, Virgo, Scorpio.

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posted October 09, 2019 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe mine is more masculine than feminine. I have sun/moon/Venus/Jupiter and ASC in Leo. So lots of fire. Although my sun and moon conjunct by 2 degrees in 1st house (which could be feminine?) they also square mars in Taurus. Venus conjunct ASC from 12th house. I also have a Libra IC. And Virgo mercury. Not sure how this all equates to masculine vs feminine but assuming more masculine. How do I determine if it is truly more masculine?

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posted October 09, 2019 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I can relate to that.

I know that earth and water are supposed to be feminine and air and fire male BUT I dont 💯 agree with this...

Capricorn is at home in the 10th house associated with been a provider and the 10H is the Yan of the 4H. Cancer is mega Yin. Ruler of 10H Saturn is male, isn't saturn a male who eats his children? The disciplinarian.

Then Libra, every guy I know with Libra placement has this strong feminine touch about them and Libra is ruled by Venus after all and I feel is the Yin of Aries. I guess I feel with the angles there is a strong yin yan effect and the rest of the signs are a bit more androgenous, interesting since the angles are so powerful.

I feel going by rulership in determining yin or yan of a sign fits more to me than going by element.

Aries yan
Libra yin
Aquarius yan
Leo yan
Pisces yin
Virgo yin
Taurus yin
Scorpio yin
Gemini yan
Saggitarius yan
Cancer yin
Capricorn yan

My opinion is:

Yan: Aries, Aquarius, Leo, Gemini, Sagittarius, Capricorn.

Yin: Cancer, Libra, Taurus, Pisces, Virgo, Scorpio.


The way that I perceive it is, as the Zodiac moves forward from Aries to Pisces, the stages/symbols become ever more complex, and also ever more balanced and integrated between the Yin and Yang (as a definite trend, but not necessarily in a purely linear way).

It's at Libra where this turning point really starts to happen. Libra is the first Yang Sign, ruled by a Yin Planet.

Aries is very Yang and Taurus is very Yin. Gemini is fairly Yang, and Cancer very Yin. But at Libra it starts to blend more and more.

Speaking as a Capricorn Sun and Mercury, it is definitely tipped to the Yin BUT it also has a fair amount of Yang energy in it as well. I would give it a percentage ratio of like of about 60% to 58% Yin to 40% to 42% Yang (these are only theoretical approximations and not meant to be taken exactly literal). More Yang the closer it gets to Aquarius or especially Sagittarius cusp.

Ever notice how many folks with Capricorn Sun, have very strong connections with their mothers, either very positively or negatively, independently of what is going on with their Moon?

This speaks to it's slight Yin polarization in combo with it's Cardinal attunement (and also that it's opposite Sign is Cancer, which is also Yin and Cardinal and ruled by the Moon).

I do think Saturn is definitely Yang polarized.

I have an "odd" belief that Capricorn is ruled not just by Yang Saturn, but also Yin Uranus.

Capricorn and Aquarius are the only two Signs in the Zodiac that share a common traditional ruler and that are right next to each other. All other pairs of Signs that share a traditional ruler have either 6 or 2 Signs in between them. Aries-Scorpio, Taurus-Libra, Gemini-Virgo, Sagittarius-Pisces.

This seems to speak to a unique connection and pattern with and between Capricorn and Aquarius, and I think that unique connection and pattern besides the above, is that they share not only a traditional ruler, but also a modern ruler, however, it's reversed. Whereas Capricorn would be Saturn and Uranus, Aquarius is Uranus and Saturn.

Also, this Sign pairing is towards the very end of the Zodiac.

I like to think (rather intuit) outside the box, but it has to conform to holistic, internally consistent logic.

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posted October 09, 2019 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MMarie:
I believe mine is more masculine than feminine. I have sun/moon/Venus/Jupiter and ASC in Leo. So lots of fire. Although my sun and moon conjunct by 2 degrees in 1st house (which could be feminine?) they also square mars in Taurus. Venus conjunct ASC from 12th house. I also have a Libra IC. And Virgo mercury. Not sure how this all equates to masculine vs feminine but assuming more masculine. How do I determine if it is truly more masculine?

It's not easy, it's very complicated from a chart perspective.

But it's far easier to just ask yourself, what do you relate to more, most of the time.

Yin energy/attunement is quiet, receptive, still, passive, attractive, unifying and tends towards the introvert but not necessarily asocial (just need a certian amount of time alone to recharge and do better with small amounts of people rather than big groups. Yin energy otherwise can be and often is quite social in that it likes connection with others).

Yang energy is more focused, directive, active, individual oriented (yet oddly tends more to the extroverted), more overt, more charged.

Keep in mind that some of those symbols you have mentioned, are relative, meaning that though the Sun is Yang polarized, it is only slightly so. Whereas the Moon is quite Yin--the most Yin planetary symbol. Venus is moderately Yin. Jupiter is only slightly Yang.

But then Leo is moderately Yang. So from that particular combo, I'm seeing a pretty good balance if you added up all the relative percentages of each.

But that you also have to factor, which planet is closest to your Ascendant and which ones after that? That also will change the balance and ratio.

If the Moon is closer then that highlights the Yin a bit more.

All in all, I get the sense that your chart is fairly balanced as well.

Then you have have to distinguish the body influences from the Soul influences. These are two different levels. I assume you're connected to a female body?

By nature, female bodies are Yin polarized. A very Yang polarized Soul certainly can offset that, and thus the person will feel more masculine like.

But if your Soul is only slight Yang polarized, or slightly Yin polarized, then with a Yin body, in some ways, especially in everyday material way, you're going to feel more Yin all in all.

See, it's rather complicated, and probably even more so that I'm seeing and outlining? Heck, Houses could potentially factor in a bit too.

The Houses that have a loose archetypal connection to the Yin Signs i.e. the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, and 12th, certainly do seem to have some of that passive, Yin indication going on.

However, this applies less to the 1st House. The first is like a clear magnifying lens for the Planets. So Moon conjunct the Ascendant is going to indicate a VERY Yin person independent of other factors, because it outlines/shows a very Lunar attuned person.

Don't think this topic has been investigated thoroughly and holistically enough in the mainstream.

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posted October 09, 2019 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find the gender binary rather flawed in real life, so I don't pay any attention to it in astrology. Dividing anything by gender categories has just never made sense to me because I don't think in terms of 'masculine' and 'feminine'. Logically I know what people ascribe to these categories, but instinctually I just don't get it.

I'm comfortable with being a woman in body, but my gender expression is fluid and/or ambiguous most of the time. I guess my spirit is androgynous... Maybe my very dominant Mercury plays part in this?

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posted October 09, 2019 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I consider myself equally balanced in terms of my masculinity and femininity, but I'm comfortable being a woman. I'm, personally, okay with me being part of the gender binary so I stick to my assigned gender.

However, gender itself isn't that black and white and I believe it's the same in astrology. I'd rather have my chart interpreted normally without regard to me being a woman. For example, don't assume my marriage partner is going to be a man. I'm not straight. In the same vein, I'm not a lesbian either, but the whole "Women are Venus and Men are Mars" makes no sense.

Yes, I'm balanced, but my chart seems to have some of everything in it. Mostly Earth but still some water, some fire, and some air. Water is my weakest element yet my Moon is in 8th house, I have Mars in 4th house, and I have Pluto in 12th house conjunct my Ascendant. My chart is all over the place and I don't consider it as lacking anything. None of my planets are unaspected either.

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posted October 09, 2019 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Essentially my chart is pretty balanced between masculine and feminine. I have a stellium in Pisces and Aquarius, my Aquarius stellium is in the 12th house (a feminine house) and Pisces in the 1st house (masculine house). And Im mainly water and air dominant. However, I feel completely feminine, in the traditional sense, so I don't know...

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posted October 09, 2019 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
It's not easy, it's very complicated from a chart perspective.

But it's far easier to just ask yourself, what do you relate to more, most of the time.

Yin energy/attunement is quiet, receptive, still, passive, attractive, unifying and tends towards the introvert but not necessarily asocial (just need a certian amount of time alone to recharge and do better with small amounts of people rather than big groups. Yin energy otherwise can be and often is quite social in that it likes connection with others).

Yang energy is more focused, directive, active, individual oriented (yet oddly tends more to the extroverted), more overt, more charged.

Keep in mind that some of those symbols you have mentioned, are relative, meaning that though the Sun is Yang polarized, it is only slightly so. Whereas the Moon is quite Yin--the most Yin planetary symbol. Venus is moderately Yin. Jupiter is only slightly Yang.

But then Leo is moderately Yang. So from that particular combo, I'm seeing a pretty good balance if you added up all the relative percentages of each.

But that you also have to factor, which planet is closest to your Ascendant and which ones after that? That also will change the balance and ratio.

If the Moon is closer then that highlights the Yin a bit more.

All in all, I get the sense that your chart is fairly balanced as well.

Then you have have to distinguish the body influences from the Soul influences. These are two different levels. I assume you're connected to a female body?

By nature, female bodies are Yin polarized. A very Yang polarized Soul certainly can offset that, and thus the person will feel more masculine like.

But if your Soul is only slight Yang polarized, or slightly Yin polarized, then with a Yin body, in some ways, especially in everyday material way, you're going to feel more Yin all in all.

See, it's rather complicated, and probably even more so that I'm seeing and outlining? Heck, Houses could potentially factor in a bit too.

The Houses that have a loose archetypal connection to the Yin Signs i.e. the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, and 12th, certainly do seem to have some of that passive, Yin indication going on.

However, this applies less to the 1st House. The first is like a clear magnifying lens for the Planets. So Moon conjunct the Ascendant is going to indicate a VERY Yin person independent of other factors, because it outlines/shows a very Lunar attuned person.

Don't think this topic has been investigated thoroughly and holistically enough in the mainstream.


Thanks for explaining everything! I guess I feel pretty equal yin and yan but am actually a bit more comfortable expressing yan qualities. I think I use my masculine side to protect my feminine side if that makes sense because I hate being vulnerable, but that side is definitely there. And house wise I have more in yin - 2nd house mercury, 4th house Pluto, 6th house Neptune & Saturn, 10th house mars, 12th house Jupiter and Venus. Sun and moon are in 1st (at the end) and Uranus in 5th (at the end). Closest planets to ASC are Venus, then Jupiter, then moon, then sun.

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posted October 09, 2019 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MMarie:
I believe mine is more masculine than feminine. I have sun/moon/Venus/Jupiter and ASC in Leo. So lots of fire. Although my sun and moon conjunct by 2 degrees in 1st house (which could be feminine?) they also square mars in Taurus. Venus conjunct ASC from 12th house. I also have a Libra IC. And Virgo mercury. Not sure how this all equates to masculine vs feminine but assuming more masculine. How do I determine if it is truly more masculine?

No wonder I like you, you have a huge Leo stellium! I tend to become close with girls who are a little bit more in touch with their masculine side...

My closest friend right now she has: sun in capricorn, moon in leo, Mercury in capricorn, venus in aquarius, mars in Sagittarius ruling her chart and Aries rising!

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posted October 10, 2019 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lerena:
I consider myself equally balanced in terms of my masculinity and femininity, but I'm comfortable being a woman. I'm, personally, okay with me being part of the gender binary so I stick to my assigned gender.

However, gender itself isn't that black and white and I believe it's the same in astrology. I'd rather have my chart interpreted normally without regard to me being a woman. For example, don't assume my marriage partner is going to be a man. I'm not straight. In the same vein, I'm not a lesbian either, but the whole "Women are Venus and Men are Mars" makes no sense.

Yes, I'm balanced, but my chart seems to have some of everything in it. Mostly Earth but still some water, some fire, and some air. Water is my weakest element yet my Moon is in 8th house, I have Mars in 4th house, and I have Pluto in 12th house conjunct my Ascendant. My chart is all over the place and I don't consider it as lacking anything. None of my planets are unaspected either.


When there is a full and holistic, big picture perspective, then it makes more sense. And I prefer to use terms like Yin and Yang because they are less loaded with gender/cultural baggage.

We could just as easily use positive and negative electrical terms, or perhaps magnetic and electric to metaphorically understand these two different but connected states of consciousness.

Distilled down to their very core essence, the Yin side of consciousness is the receiving/receptive/observing/feeling/sensing/reflective side. The Yang side is the outputting/active/doing/thinking/sending side.

The Source was originally Yin polarized, when it was all alone unto itself. When it changed and became an active Creator (by splitting itself up into the many etc), it consciously became aware of and integrated it's own Yang side and quickly became perfectly merged between these two different sides, so that if we were observing the Source in a purely objective way, there would be no distinction between Yin and Yang within it.

The physical level is where things get tricky. If you look into the akashic records to see the origin of the physical level, you will note that the physical level got temporarily manifested by a goup of Spirits who chose to erroneously believe in a reality of "separation".

They took a Co-Creator's thought-creational garden of various forms (but far more nonphysical than forms as we experience them), went into them and started creating a inharmonious mess of noise and distortion.

They through their own imbalanced and polarized essence, injected imbalance and polarization into these forms and increasingly slowed down the vibratory rates, and then started to become stuck (in awareness) in relation to these forms and this level of imbalance and polarization.

These Spirits were originally like the Source, perfectly balanced and merged between the Yin and Yang, but the further they got away from Love, the more imbalanced and polarized they became.

Their forms began to reflect their inner attunement (or rather lack). The Co-Creator and It's helpers got involved in modifiying and "setting" these forms, and created distinct genders to reflect this imbalanced polarization that originally occurred at a consciousness level.

Hence, now we have woman and man. But isn't it interesting how this distorted, reflection level reflects some deeper archetypal truths? Remember we said that the Source itself was first Yin polarized?

Well, As above/within, so below/withiouit, and when life is first conceived in the Earth in humans, does it not all start out as female (i.e. representative of the Yin) before potentially switching to male?

Or another interesting question? Why are there so many more actively psychic/more intuitive females than males in the world? Because of the very attunement of the body, independent of the Soul that is connected to same. Yin/Female, that of the receptive/sensing. Anyone that has practiced psychic work knows that you have to get into a still, quiet, and reflective state before being able to sense and perceive psychically.

But to answer your question more directly, there are actually 4 states of being/consciousness that I am aware of. There is the Yin polarized, the Yang polarized, the merged/both completely integrated into a greater Whole and then there is a 4th, neutral state.

That latter state does indeed have a strong connection to the symbol of Mercury.

What humans call the "Grey aliens", most of these exist in that 4th neutral state. It is almost like a robot/AI state of clear and pure mind/intellect/logic. (Yet, in their case, quite expanded, expansive, and deep. They know through a very advanced scientific understanding, that All is completely interconnected and having opened up their minds/beliefs to that Oneness, they can perceive in this Oneness better than most humans can, which makes them seem extremely psychic/intuitive. They are and they aren't--hard to explain that one. True psychism also involves feelings, and these have long been almost completely devoid of feelings/emotions, though their hybrid programs involving humans are helping them to reintegrate these).

For humans, those with very strong Mercury attunement, they identify most with this neutral state, however, of course they have some attunement to the Yin and Yang too.

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posted October 10, 2019 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No wonder I like you, you have a huge Leo stellium! I tend to become close with girls who are a little bit more in touch with their masculine side...

My closest friend right now she has: sun in capricorn, moon in leo, Mercury in capricorn, venus in aquarius, mars in Sagittarius ruling her chart and Aries rising!


😄 I also always become close with girls with a more masculine chart. I notice particularly with Gemini or Sag placements. And usually a little earth too. What moon and sun sign are you?

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posted October 10, 2019 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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😄 I also always become close with girls with a more masculine chart. I notice particularly with Gemini or Sag placements. And usually a little earth too. What moon and sun sign are you?

Girl Sagittarius is my strongest sign, I have sag rising with Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Sag, South node in Sag and Neptune in Sag at the Galactic Center in the 1H near my AC forming a tsquare with sun in virgo opposite moon in Pisces! DC on Gemini and North node in Gemini plus Chiron in Gemini.

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posted October 10, 2019 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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😄 I also always become close with girls with a more masculine chart. I notice particularly with Gemini or Sag placements. And usually a little earth too.

I've Gemini ASC/Venus, Sag Moon and Taurus Sun/Mercury (a little earth). 🙋‍♀️😄

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I've Gemini ASC/Venus, Sag Moon and Taurus Sun/Mercury (a little earth). 🙋‍♀️😄

My best friend growing up was a Taurus with Gemini moon and Taurus mercury! She had a Pisces Venus so definitely that mutable thing going on. Could be my Virgo mercury, sag vertex, Gemini psyche and 6th house/12th house placements which attract that energy.

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Hey, I'm in a busy phase so I can't give this thread the attention it deserves (and I'm also waiting for a ride to show up very soon so I only had time to skim this).

First, I wanted to point out that Yin and Yang are found in each other (I like to call it the Circle of Rings because eventually the head of the ouroborous bites its own tail and transforms into the other) and that it's more of a style. That is, it's not that one is biologically male or female, but that the attributes are assigned to male or female despite that COUNTLESS men and women demonstrate the trait of the other without raising eyebrows or seeming odd.

Short and sweet, Yin prefers to draw things to them (seductive, scheming, manipulative) while Yang prefers to go out and grab them. Lots of men can demonstrate plenty of Yin and still be greatly respected and/or feared (or, negatively, a user and a dreamer) while plenty of women can demonstrate a lot of Yang and still be found greatly desirable and expressive (or, negatively, a scold or a man-eater), just as it can be positive or negative for men to be Yang or women to be Yin.

This is also why the "binary" model is simply too limited for describing male and female genders beyond mere biology (and even biology has some ways to monkey wrench our labels there as well).

Again, I don't have time to explain it more than that, nor do I have time to talk about my own chart.

Though I did want to say my understanding is the Libra is masculine air (granted, Venus muddies it a bit), and thus Yang, not Yin.

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posted October 11, 2019 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to be clear I am not talking about biology or sex at all. No matter who you are and identify as or dont identify as or whatever, no matter your sexual Orientation I personally feel we all have a female and male side or a yin and yan side or whatever you want to call it, call it your sensitive psychic receptive side if you dont want to use the word female bc its trigerring or conflicts with how you conceptualize the world or people. In essence I love internal family system and like to honor the different sides/parts we all have.

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posted October 15, 2019 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixie Jane, that's because there is a body and a Soul involved in every case, and in each case, every one has an individual, unique attunement.

The body gender is either Yin or Yang and in a more clearly polarized way. While all Souls have some sort combo or ratio to some extent.

But a very Yang polarized Soul can connect to a Yin body, and thus internally feel very masculine (it could be that they had a number of lifetimes as connected to male bodies and/or their half of Spirit was the originally more Yang polarized one). It's not cause of the body in this one lifetime, but because of the Soul/nonphysical consciousness.

The deeper, holistic point is, genders got reflected off of original consciousness states/attunement that existed long before anything "physical" ever was manifested.

In cases like my own, where it feels like my Soul is something like 51% Yin and 49% Yang, but I'm connected to a male/Yang body, it becomes a little more complex and relative.

Cayce's guidance said something very interesting about 4th dimensional perspective/perception/understanding. It's where you can understand the 3rd dimension from a symbolic point in how it relates to the spiritual/nonphysical.

Or another way to say it, we exist in a larger reality of different dimensions/levels of consciousness that are either faster vibratory or slower vibratory than another.

The slower vibratory level is a reflection of the faster vibratory level just an octave "above" it (metaphorically speaking).

Or what happens in thought, will, intention, and consciousness eventually gets manifested into the 3rd dimension of the flesh and physical.

It's also confusing because the original creation that those rebellious Spirits got involved in with and which eventually experienced a refracted off reflection and became what we perceive as the physical, did have forms in same, but they were at a much faster vibratory rate and more directly amendable by thought/will/intention/consciousness.

This is a topic that is very, very hard to put into words and human, material understanding. Anything nonphysical can only be understood or communicated in word form in relation to symbols and metaphors that relate to physical experiences, and the latter never completely accurately reflects the objective truth of it.

But deeper, spiritual truth can be felt on more intuitive levels. It cannot be understood very well by the intellect. The intellect is equipped to deal with the material.

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posted October 16, 2019 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once again I find myself here while waiting for a ride and know I only have a few minutes.

Thought I'd add that my chart is almost all masculine: 3H Libra sun & stellium sextile to 5H Sag stellium, and 2nd decand Leo ASC. I do got a lot of Scorpio bleeding into it, though (from cusps to Jupiter).

And I show it. I can be very assertive and a go-getter (it's good that the Libra in me tries to be fair, though the internal conflicts between my Libra and Sag nature can be epic, though I think the air & fire also play together well at other times, too).

Though I was such a tomboy as a kid, my cousin sent me something via email (I should still have it but won't waste time looking for it now) about a year ago on Texas women (where I was raised) and most of it actually matched me. Though I'm a bit kinder (like it says if you can't eat hot peppers then she'll think you're a wimp whereas I actually shrug it off...however, do NOT pretend you like them and expect me to figure it out, one time I asked a woman about her tolerance levels and she said whatever I put into my own, and then she was about crying and basically hinting I should get back up and fix her something else, but I was determined she could be forced to eat it until she could SPEAK TRUTHFULLY dammit, not hint, I was asking an honest question after all, not a rhetorical question, sheesh--I suppose these days I'd have remade it for her, but she'd get a lecture over it that I didn't give back then).

It's kinda hard to say how much is my chart, though. I mixed with boys my whole life growing up (and think everyone should mix with other genders a lot more as children), and after shunned by girls for many years (so that my contact with girls was minimal between the ages of 6-10), in part because mothers didn't want their girls exposed to my family though I suppose I was a bit too expressive for their taste as well, that had its own impact. Though I had my own friends, both boys and girls, at 13-14, I just as often hung around my older male cousin and his friends. Plus, the family is pretty big on self-reliance (even with a measure of interdependence) and even females have to put their big panties on. Whining about being a victim was just a flag telling others that you were a good target because all you'd do is whine about it (and sympathy was in short supply), so I either shook it off or I got even to discourage future behavior.

Of course this is a simplistic summation as I don't have the time to detail the nuances. I'm just saying that my upbringing forced me to learn to take care of myself (and not having a man around as I got older also made me more self-reliant). Perhaps my chart made it an easy lesson, though.

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posted October 18, 2019 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually like starting with **** load of intensity, screw natal where I have sht load of yin, kinda like 7/9 planets(including luminaries), I have Mars conjunct Pluto in Draconic, I kinda like drawing every cool placements I have in other divisional charts to make my astrological birth time sound cooler than it is., but fck me my Mars only makes a square to Jupiter which is 4 degree, a 5 degree trine to the Moon and a wide wide 9 and half degree square to Pluto( told you I like drawing in placements), anyway to change the topic I have both passive and highly aggressive side too really, and I have found that usually when I start with **** load of aggression I fall into my passive part, and usually when I start with passivity, after awhile aggression comes, so its a rhythm I guess, like Mr. Galactic said somewhere, and once the rhythm ends, the buck stops ticking ...

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posted October 18, 2019 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I usually like starting with **** load of intensity, screw natal where I have sht load of yin, kinda like 7/9 planets(including luminaries), I have Mars conjunct Pluto in Draconic, I kinda like drawing every cool placements I have in other divisional charts to make my astrological birth time sound cooler than it is., but fck me my Mars only makes a square to Jupiter which is 4 degree, a 5 degree trine to the Moon and a wide wide 9 and half degree square to Pluto( told you I like drawing in placements), anyway to change the topic I have both passive and highly aggressive side too really, and I have found that usually when I start with **** load of aggression I fall into my passive part, and usually when I start with passivity, after awhile aggression comes, so its a rhythm I guess, like Mr. Galactic said somewhere, and once the rhythm ends, the buck stops ticking ...

What is happening with Mars in declinations? Does it parallel anything?

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posted October 18, 2019 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*checks his chart*

Nope!

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posted October 19, 2019 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am more masculine then femine surprisingly(I just checked).Even though I thought that both are equally strong.

I consider both masculine and feminine energy to be concerned about the self and are self centred in both respects.

The stark difference being that masculine energy is more about mantaining the self outside of others i.e "I am because I am" energy. To "lose" that and become indistinguishable from others scares them.

It is more about coming into an environment and not ever losing that sense of separateness & individuality.It is energy that doesn't sustain the "we" principle for long. It wants to act unilaterally. This unless the "we" serves the agenda of the self effectively.

Libra energy is masculine to me because it prescribes to this. It wants to serve the agenda of the self but typically disguising its intentions under politeness "we" in order to avoid resistance from others....ehem.. Margaret Thatcher.

Feminine energy is inclusive "We are and therefore I am" energy, it is more reflective and recognises the necessity and dependency on others in order for the "self" to be.

The self here may seek to control,influence or "guide" others in some way significant.And through this relationship, the self is reflected and balance is maintained etc.

Capricorn is feminine energy to me and is seeking to control,guide or influence others in some way significant in the longer term.

It wouldn't be motivated to climb mountains without the accolades and praise from others for instance. People think that its Leo energy that likes this but its the motivation inherent in Saturnine Cap that is preoccupied with being "seen" to achieve or "seen" to lead etc. otherwise what's the point?

Masculine says "I want to be a leader" and feminine responds with "I want to lead others." And this is not necessarily the same thing .

The latter is more about the self being reflected through taking initiatives with others and the former is the self coming into awareness of the self regardless of others being there.

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posted October 19, 2019 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23 I loved your post there! Great analysis. Thanks for sharing.

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