posted October 09, 2019 11:57 PM            

90% say that an absence means the native has zero skills/talent/intuition in those areas and will use the other elements to overcompensate.

Then I spotted one interesting comment...instead of the absence being a flaw, it's a secret superpower the native has.

For example, someone with mostly fire and no air would be expected to be all action and struggle with ideas and communication according to 90% of the material I read. Instead, can it be read as someone who is very active but at the same time is also an amazing communicator and social butterfly?

I'm asking because a close friend of mine has zero earth in his chart and yet is incredible with finances and material-related areas (it's a superpower of his!)

posted October 10, 2019 12:22 AM            

I've had several people into astrology comment on my apparent lack of Water. After all, the only Planet in Water is my Uranus (Scorpio).

The two most Water attuned Planets there are, are Neptune and Moon. Neptune is quite strong in my chart, and Moon is moderately highlighted (and blending into my Solar Sign pattern via it's conjunction with Saturn, the ruler of same). These combined with Angular Pisces South Node and Scorpio IC outline a strong attunement to Water. (Traditional, faster moving ruler of Scorp IC, is Mars in Virgo, conjunct Jupiter and square Sag. Neptune, which gives a Piscean like flavor and undertone to the basic Scorp archetype/pattern of the IC).

In truth, I come from a past of drowning in very strong Water.

In this life, I chose a chart/life plan that was very Earth centric, to try to bring greater grounding, discernment, structured activity, and practicality to these past expressions/patterns of intense psychic sensitivity, acute empathy, very deep and intense feelings, mystical insight, etc. As a young child, I was completely wide open.

Even with all the Capricorn and Virgo combo (and mutually connected, since Saturn is in Virgo and Mercury is in Capricorn) in my chart, I still have a hard time staying completely grounded or focused on the mundane.

Getting better with time and practice. Spent awhile as a teen wanting to become a monk, because I just didn't want to deal with this world that didn't make any sense to me. Earn money? What for? To live? Can't I grow food and build a shelter in the wilderness to live? Or share labor and resources with a community without money? Etc, etc, etc.

The world still doesn't really make sense to me, and feels so off on some very deep levels, but have started to navigate and deal with it better.

It is so interesting (in a very surreal and bizarre way) to read about Capricorn in mainstream astrology circles in lieu of all this. Hard to identify with a lot of the generalizations and repeated dogma.

posted October 10, 2019 06:08 AM            

In this life for me, it is very hard to find a proper job. That frustrated me. My north node is libra in 5. So basically it says I need, or I chose, to focus on pasttime activities and / or children and one to one relationships. I have the south node in Aries in 11 so in my previous life I was alone, in a group and stand my own man/woman. In this life I need to learn to share myself with someone. Because being alone is my comfort zone. But because of the path I chose, everything was set in motion to prevent me from being alone, so difficult in providing for myself. A lot of job-hopping and unemployment benefit.
Then I met my husband. He had a job, and a house. He already paid off his morgage because he stayed single and put all his money in the house, to pay morgage within 20 years. He wanted to live together and I suggested marriage, because I did not want to just mere living in his house. I already did that with an ex and when things did not go well, I had to move and rent a room somewhere. Now I had my own rental appartment so I did not want to take a risk to lose everything and start again from scratch. He wanted to marry me and now we are married and he is the provider and I am the nurturer. It is a traditional marriage (hence the capricorn descendant)where he is the working man and I make sure he has clean underwear everyday. Even though I never ever wanted to get marry (my aries south note screaming) I eventually did at 40. So my life went exactly how it was supposed to be and I now understand why my life has been so hard for me all the time. I don't say it's easy, because at first I felt very uneasy to fully trust a man and get married. I was afraid I would feel trapped. And I had a lot of fear, because the only one I can really rely on is me. But I manage. And I have turned this fear of losing freedom into security in a relationship.

So what I am trying to say is when you lack an element, it has a reason. You already mastered those qualities and you are being pushed into a certain direction. Don't try to focus on the lacking element, that will just cause frustration and misery. As it was for me. Try to figure out what direction you are headed and adjust to it. Even though it is not always easy. In my case, the lacking element was explained by karma (chiron and nodes). And it all fell into place eventually.

posted October 10, 2019 10:21 AM            

Saturn sitting on the angles can also do this i.e Saturn in 1st/4th/7th and 10th.

posted October 10, 2019 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Saturn in aspect to planets (especially when in Libra) can add "earthyness" to the nature.Or at least a very practical "nose to the grindstone" outlook.

Saturn sitting on the angles can also do this i.e Saturn in 1st/4th/7th and 10th.

Even Cap Asc alone or Taurus there adds "steadiness".

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+1x1000!

(and as mentioned earlier, also look to the IC/4th House, the deeper, psychological roots of the individual).

Also in the case of Saturn, (or even to some extent Mercury, which rules Virgo and Venus which rules Taurus), if it's in a major aspect to especially the chart ruler, it will highlight those planets and indicate some earth like energy and attunement.

posted October 10, 2019 07:13 PM            

I think it is kind of both. I am an earth void--no planets in earth. I am very disorganized in my practical life like it would take me a really long time to organize a kitchen, for example( if I could even do it )

However, I am super strong in air and water and that makes for a really perceptive person who can take emotions and express them.

So, to lose an element, others are stronger.

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posted October 10, 2019 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
So, I'm perusing articles about absence of an element (air, fire, water, earth) in a chart.

90% say that an absence means the native has zero skills/talent/intuition in those areas and will use the other elements to overcompensate.

Then I spotted one interesting comment...instead of the absence being a flaw, it's a secret superpower the native has.

For example, someone with mostly fire and no air would be expected to be all action and struggle with ideas and communication according to 90% of the material I read. Instead, can it be read as someone who is very active but at the same time is also an amazing communicator and social butterfly?

I'm asking because a close friend of mine has zero earth in his chart and yet is incredible with finances and material-related areas (it's a superpower of his!)

So this definitely piqued my curiosity-what have you noticed in the charts and the people?

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Does your friend have planets in the 2nd house or 8th house?

posted October 11, 2019 04:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Saturn in aspect to planets (especially when in Libra) can add "earthyness" to the nature.Or at least a very practical "nose to the grindstone" outlook.

Saturn sitting on the angles can also do this i.e Saturn in 1st/4th/7th and 10th.

Even Cap Asc alone or Taurus there adds "steadiness".

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Ok wow...well, I have Saturn in a 1 degree conjunction with IC, in 4th.
There is another thing with my Saturn, it is 29 degree 59 in Leo...

posted October 11, 2019 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Does your friend have planets in the 2nd house or 8th house?

Actually can you post his chart? What is his 2nd house ruler or 8th house ruler doing in his chart?

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Hypatia, I see where you're going with this and can lay it out for you:

posted October 11, 2019 06:28 PM            

There is no such thing as an absence of an element in the birth chart. Every element is represented in the planets that are the core energies of the signs, just as Aries23Degrees mentions with Saturn examples.

Astrological meaning cannot be found in black-and-white, either-or binaries.

posted October 12, 2019 05:17 AM            

I began to query about houses in my late teens and became afraid I'd be perfectly inept at so many areas of life as my chart is almost all in one place.
The astrologer who brought me up laughed it off and explained "we all have 12 houses, an empty house doesn't mean it doesn't exist for you, it means that you don't activate it with the same ease or frequency as one that would have your sun in it for example. But it's very much there and you will have to experience it and learn its lessons, whether on your own (after having completed what comes before or because life will put the issue in front of you) or through contacts with others who will activate this area of your chart for you (or help you activate its energy as you decide to tackle those questions).
I believe it to be the same for everything: houses, planets, signs...

Maybe your friend was educated to be a good manager or the people who brought them up activated those "absent elements" for them, maybe their finance houses are very active, maybe planets greatly helping with finances are aspected or very active in the chart... one way or another we all have everything, our charts aren't about things we have and don't, I'd say they're about how we use our human psyche as a default mode.

posted October 14, 2019 12:43 PM            

The one thing I notice with fire sign individuals I lack, is the confidence. I really admire the confidence fire signs hold, and from that confidence the belief that they can do anything and the need to share themselves. For example, my earth places a very high standard in competence, and when I present my art or anything I create, it comes from a very deep and secretive place (Pluto dominant) and it can take me a very long time to feel comfortable enough to want to share tho I’m working on this because I’m trying to make a living off my art. Im also very shy when it comes to any kind of spotlight, it makes me cringe..
so this makes things complicated, especially when I have saggitarius friends who will just go after what they want, make whatever sells artistically and naturally have an ease with performing and building a public reputation for themselves. I feel like that extroverted quality of fire makes the social arena more fun and and playful so a more positive reaction.