posted October 11, 2019 02:20 PM            

This period of time for your boyfriend goes on until transiting Saturn moves out of range, 30 degrees from where it is now.

There are some 'good' things that can come out of it too.

I had an older friend (in her mid-50s) with Cap Moon in her 7th, when Saturn moved through her degrees. In the 'exact' position after retro Saturn came back ONTO her Moon, her husband she had been separated from for YEARS, surprised her with granting the divorce she had been requesting for YEARS. So. THAT was a 'good thing'.
.. Also. When Saturn first made contact, her Mother decided to relocate cross-country to live with another sibling. It was a BAD mistake that her mom had done that. {It had emotionally hurt my friend because she was VERY devoted and dotingly 'good' to her mom}. .. Winds up that her other sibling was not caring for the elderly mom== my friend's hands were tied from being able to do anything more for her.
My friend still has more of that 'resolving' Sade Sati to experience.. Saturn moves INTO her H8, then onto where Aqua is. She'll experience her 2nd Sat return in Aqua H9. {She'll probably be retiring then.}

For myself, I had ALSO been moving through OTHER significant transits at the same time-- it's hard to separate ... It's the geometry of my chart.

Sade Sati lasts a long time.
You can find video-advices on those on youtube.

Your friend really needs to know that you're an ally to him. Sometimes just 'presence' connection to someone he loved can help him connect to strengths within himself. A steadying kind of relationship.

In the mean time, please take good care of yourself psychologically and emotionally so that whatever he has to go through passes.

I KNOW what it's like to WORRY about someone. To see them involved in selfdestructive behaviors.

If your brother can go to HIM, rather than him make contacts, maybe that can help? It's a guy-thing? .. Maybe your brother has some good ideas, maybe help him make other contacts {especially care and any employment or project opportunities}. If his place is messy, you could offer to help freshen-up his surroundings to bring UP the energy where he lives.

At this time, many folks could benefit from friends with other kinds of outside-connections!!

Friends can do MORE than a counselor in MANY ways.
Counselors are ******* detached.
Fake-relationship you spend a LOT of funds on.

Sometimes what it takes is a team of familiar people to 'surround' a soul with some play and encouragement. Help with the things that normally he could do all-by-himself. THAT is really demoralizing when you know that you are completely able to do things your own self, but the 'weight' you're under immobilizes you. ..I imagine that with 'guys' it's extra embarrassing? (That's why I suggested your brother taking a more-forward position, than your self.)

Help those outside friend-connections MEET up with him. Doing this yourself might be too much weight for you. Get others on a Team.. for helping him. Staying helpful and practical, and, listening. AND also providing him with pointing out little positives.

Inch by Inch .. it's a cinch.

Thank you for caring so much about your friend, that it moved you to create this thread.

posted October 11, 2019 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
In Vedic astrology, transiting Saturn conjunct MOON is a lengthy transit called the Sade Sati time-period. It's known for things like the death of one of the parents-- which I had found out about (in my case) through happenstance on grapevine after the event had occurred. I had been estranged from family members.

This period of time for your boyfriend goes on until transiting Saturn moves out of range, 30 degrees from where it is now.

There are some 'good' things that can come out of it too.

I had an older friend (in her mid-50s) with Cap Moon in her 7th, when Saturn moved through her degrees. In the 'exact' position after retro Saturn came back ONTO her Moon, her husband she had been separated from for YEARS, surprised her with granting the divorce she had been requesting for YEARS. So. THAT was a 'good thing'.
.. Also. When Saturn first made contact, her Mother decided to relocate cross-country to live with another sibling. It was a BAD mistake that her mom had done that. {It had emotionally hurt my friend because she was VERY devoted and dotingly 'good' to her mom}. .. Winds up that her other sibling was not caring for the elderly mom== my friend's hands were tied from being able to do anything more for her.
My friend still has more of that 'resolving' Sade Sati to experience.. Saturn moves INTO her H8, then onto where Aqua is. She'll experience her 2nd Sat return in Aqua H9. {She'll probably be retiring then.}

For myself, I had ALSO been moving through OTHER significant transits at the same time-- it's hard to separate ... It's the geometry of my chart.

Sade Sati lasts a long time.
You can find video-advices on those on youtube.

Your friend really needs to know that you're an ally to him. Sometimes just 'presence' connection to someone he loved can help him connect to strengths within himself. A steadying kind of relationship.

In the mean time, please take good care of yourself psychologically and emotionally so that whatever he has to go through passes.

I KNOW what it's like to WORRY about someone. To see them involved in selfdestructive behaviors.

If your brother can go to HIM, rather than him make contacts, maybe that can help? It's a guy-thing? .. Maybe your brother has some good ideas, maybe help him make other contacts {especially care and any employment or project opportunities}. If his place is messy, you could offer to help freshen-up his surroundings to bring UP the energy where he lives.

At this time, many folks could benefit from friends with other kinds of outside-connections!!

Friends can do MORE than a counselor in MANY ways.
Counselors are ******* detached.
Fake-relationship you spend a LOT of funds on.

Sometimes what it takes is a team of familiar people to 'surround' a soul with some play and encouragement. Help with the things that normally he could do all-by-himself. THAT is really demoralizing when you know that you are completely able to do things your own self, but the 'weight' you're under immobilizes you. ..I imagine that with 'guys' it's extra embarrassing? (That's why I suggested your brother taking a more-forward position, than your self.)

Help those outside friend-connections MEET up with him. Doing this yourself might be too much weight for you. Get others on a Team.. for helping him. Staying helpful and practical, and, listening. AND also providing him with pointing out little positives.

Inch by Inch .. it's a cinch.

Thank you for caring so much about your friend, that it moved you to create this thread.

That's actually awesome of you, Solar_Leo_Queen.

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posted October 11, 2019 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Every human being experiences a Moon/Saturn transit every 7 years so yes most people I feel get through those transits...

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I sure hope so tbh. He's heavily Saturnian with natal Moon conjunct Jupiter in Cap and Saturn square Moon and Saturn in the 10th. He's been struggling his whole life and a person can really only take so much until it breaks them. I have my fingers crossed. I know he can get better, just really hard to see this process.

posted October 12, 2019 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
I sure hope so tbh. He's heavily Saturnian with natal Moon conjunct Jupiter in Cap and Saturn square Moon and Saturn in the 10th. He's been struggling his whole life and a person can really only take so much until it breaks them. I have my fingers crossed. I know he can get better, just really hard to see this process.

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I hear you! I have no clue if he will get through this to be very clear, I was talking in general terms that most people get through saturn transits as they occur every 7 years, for people like him that have been struggling with depression for decades and they feel hopeless you never know, people like that often have suicidal ideation or have attempted it so based on what you are saying he sounds very high risk. You as one person can only help so much by being a supportive friend and encouraging him to get help. I can understand how people who have been struggling with major depression for decades and feel things never get better experience Suicidal ideation, that is really rough, you can only take so much.

posted October 14, 2019 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Maybe it would take a while. It doesn't mean he won't come out of it. I don't know him, but generally I can say that the more unconditional support he gets, the better are his chances of recuperating eventually. You need a lot of patience, letting him know he has your back no matter what. And you'd need time to recharge too.

It will not last forever, even if it may seem that way.

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posted October 14, 2019 05:18 PM            

Of course, people can get past Saturn transits to their Moon, but in some form or other the energy must be used constructively. That may mean more inner changes, adjustments of attitudes, habits, etc.

Saturn's transit conjunct natal Moon is about reconciling work/responsibility/duty with home/support/gratification. What can happen is that people withdraw energies from a number of activities out of disappointment with the results they were getting for the efforts and it can be a roundabout way of starting a new pattern -- but not unless there is an outlook change or something is done proactively.

I'm going through Saturn's transit to my Moon right now. It's hit its peak point nearest my Moon and I do not have depression or feel down on myself or life. I've done previous work to heal and to shift my attitudes more positive. Many people with Moon in Capricorn carry a lot more negative attitudes than they show on the surface, but it does tend to slip out in certain types of criticisms, condescending comments, etc.

Attitude change, stepping out of depression is 100% his. But I'd say it is a moment of opportunity for both of you to go deeper.

posted December 16, 2020 08:03 AM            

Kamala Harris is AS WE SPEAK, going through a transit of Saturn exactly squaring her moon AND sun, and unless I am missing something, she seems pretty fine to me. She is on the cover of TIME mag, she is slated to be inaugurated as VP in a month.

I made my prediction that she would not win the election based on this transit she had coming up and I was wrong.

posted December 16, 2020 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
charlie is right, it's a learning/growth opportunity, but one that is kinda counter-intuitive in that it generally does not involve the outward activities we associate with growth.

Of course, people can get past Saturn transits to their Moon, but in some form or other the energy must be used constructively. That may mean more inner changes, adjustments of attitudes, habits, etc.

Saturn's transit conjunct natal Moon is about reconciling work/responsibility/duty with home/support/gratification. What can happen is that people withdraw energies from a number of activities out of disappointment with the results they were getting for the efforts and it can be a roundabout way of starting a new pattern -- but not unless there is an outlook change or something is done proactively.

I'm going through Saturn's transit to my Moon right now. It's hit its peak point nearest my Moon and I do not have depression or feel down on myself or life. I've done previous work to heal and to shift my attitudes more positive. Many people with Moon in Capricorn carry a lot more negative attitudes than they show on the surface, but it does tend to slip out in certain types of criticisms, condescending comments, etc.

Attitude change, stepping out of depression is 100% his. But I'd say it is a moment of opportunity for both of you to go deeper.

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very well said. i had mine a few years ago as sag moon and i found this to be true. i went through many inner changes and made proactive choices that set the stage for my life now. the choices ive made probably seem impossible to others at that time but internally i had no choice. externally, people thought i was having the time of my life but internally it was lonely times. this was a time when i began practicing boundaries with everything and everyone. i had to cut people off. i was normally the type that was down for anything and people probably thought i was being a bit difficult. i started saying “no” and it felt so empowering, felt way better than the egoic high of being seen as the “fun one”. i lost potential friends that made me really look at my past traumas from a new angle and forced new habits. there was a lot of “do or die” kind of situations, a lot of trial and error.

ive dealt with depression/existential crises most of my life so i couldnt say this period made it worse but i definitely made choices that i am reaping the benefits of currently. the benefits didnt seem obvious at the time - in super hindsight, they were some amazing seeds. it didnt seem like life improved that much for a few years and it was really dark for awhile - had some difficult neptune transits (square moon and conjunct ic). i felt discouraged but not enough to go trampling that garden i had spent so much time and effort on. i felt angry at times - “didnt i do enough? i gave up all that was unhealthy.. started loving myself.. got professional help.. why cant i find a reason to live?!”. i was on this weird momentum that i still had to fix everything to not feel suicidal that i began having daily panic attacks. that didnt really change until this past year through quarantine (when saturn was on the rest of my personal planets). covid/quarantine was a blessing on an internal level. i finally learned to slow down and to live day by day, to relax and enjoy life without a defined purpose. ironically the world out there is a chaotic mess but it feels so good to finally be OKAY with myself.

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Originally posted by Belage:
These Moon Saturn transits mean absolutely NOTHING. Maybe astrology means NOTHING. So just relax, people and enjoy life.

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something like that

posted December 16, 2020 03:42 PM            

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... this was a time when i began practicing boundaries with everything and everyone. i had to cut people off. i was normally the type that was down for anything and people probably thought i was being a bit difficult. i started saying “no” and it felt so empowering ...

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Well done, Sauerkraut. It's all about sensitivity to the changes you need from within yourself and making the outward decisions to match.

posted December 16, 2020 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
You know what? Maybe it all means NOTHING. Case in point:

Kamala Harris is AS WE SPEAK, going through a transit of Saturn exactly squaring her moon AND sun, and unless I am missing something, she seems pretty fine to me. She is on the cover of TIME mag, she is slated to be inaugurated as VP in a month.

I made my prediction that she would not win the election based on this transit she had coming up and I was wrong.

These Moon Saturn transits mean absolutely NOTHING. Maybe astrology means NOTHING. So just relax, people and enjoy life.

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posted December 16, 2020 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I was thinking this yesterday, when I thought of the Chiron thread. Although I'm depressed right now. I rarely enjoy the holidays anymore, but I managed to feel better for a little while last night. I have Jupiter and Saturn trine my Moon/Venus, but also square Uranus/ascendant. Either way, I've ordered SAM-e, which I should have done months ago.

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This time of the year can bring a rise in depression and anxiety. You might want to ramp up your Vit D intake, as most of us tend to be depleted of Vit D by this time. Hoping you feel better!