posted October 13, 2019 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I dont think her having a lot of fire or air in her chart has anything to do with her getting post partum depression. This type of depression is completely a hormonal imbalance thing so women who are more sensitive to hormonal changes are perhaps more prone to it but it can happen to any woman regardless of her chart. Venus rules female hormones so long lasting transits affecting a women's natal Venus during pregnancy perhaps can trigger this.

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I know that it's a hormonal imbalance and it can happen to anyone. I'm asking if you can see it in astrology. There are aspects that have the potential to make the chart holder more prone to certain conditions like depression, saturn conjunct Mars for example. Or a heavy water chart without a lot of air to be able to disconnect themselves from what's bringing them down.

My sister has never been one to deeply connect with another person. She has sun, venus, mercury, and Jupiter in Aquarius 11H opposite her Leo moon in the 5th. So, her being "the butterfly" as we nicknamed her and not having a lot of grounding in herself, I think leant itself to the depression she went through during that time. Like I said, it was an awful year for her and after seeing her transits I understand why. There were no major transits to her venus, sun, or moon. We don't have an exact birth time but we know within a couple of hours of the time so I'm not 100% sure of her ascendant but I'm thinking pisces and Pluto was on her Neptune that year in the 10H.

Her chart, I'm pretty confident with her ascendant in Pisces and her sun in the 11H. Fits her to a T

posted October 14, 2019 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Like I said Venus rules female hormones and she has venus in aquarius in hard aspect to the moon so since aquarius disrupts what it touches, in this case her venus, and her Venus to top it off forms a hard aspect to her moon which is connected to our monthly cycle/rhythm this all supports she is very sensitive to hormonal changes in her body. However her being a loner has nothing to do with her issues with post partum depression, this is a hormonal issue.

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posted October 14, 2019 02:14 AM            

By progression (to 8Pisces25 on 25 April 2010) ... natal Venus does "promise" a potential depression - by forming a Tsquare with the natal (and progressed) Saturn-Chiron opposition.

So ... astrologically, it was the Saturn-Chiron issue that was being addressed (by experiencing the depression) - but hormones may indeed have been the physical cause of the problem.

posted October 14, 2019 09:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

It is a complicated astrological conundrum though ... particularly if the actual birthtime does produce those natal chart interceptions and duplications.

By progression (to 8Pisces25 on 25 April 2010) ... natal Venus does "promise" a potential depression - by forming a Tsquare with the natal (and progressed) Saturn-Chiron opposition.

So ... astrologically, it [b]was the Saturn-Chiron issue that was being addressed (by experiencing the depression) - but hormones may indeed have been the physical cause of the problem.

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posted October 14, 2019 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Graham:
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It is a complicated astrological conundrum though ... particularly if the actual birthtime does produce those natal chart interceptions and duplications.

By progression (to 8Pisces25 on 25 April 2010) ... natal Venus does "promise" a potential depression - by forming a Tsquare with the natal (and progressed) Saturn-Chiron opposition.

So ... astrologically, it [b]was the Saturn-Chiron issue that was being addressed (by experiencing the depression) - but hormones may indeed have been the physical cause of the problem.

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A Pisces Ascendant between 20deg00 and 29deg59.59 gives a birthtime window of 09:22 to 09:47 (using a "best guess" place of birth). ... And, within that window, the interceptions and duplications do not change from those in your posted natal chart.

If those interceptions and duplications are valid ... a never-questioned childhood belief (concerning the 3rd and 9th houses) would be adversely affecting the 4th and 10th houses, in a way which prevents the positive Aries+Libra qualities from being used effectively.

So ... astrologically ... it may not be a co-incidence that your sister's 9th house Saturn is exactly 13degs20mins from Uranus (thus making an exact 27th harmonic aspect) - and opposing a 3rd house Chiron (with an orb of 1deg20, which is an exact 270th harmonic aspect).

The 27th harmonic aspect (27H) = the 3H (ease in doing something) x 9H (joy in doing something) = complacency. The 270H = the 27H (complacency) x 10H (intellectually striving to make sense of something) = questioning one's complacency?

Natal Uranus is exactly 168 degrees from natal Chiron - which is an exact 30th harmonic aspect (30H). ... The 30H = 3H (ease) x 10H (striving to make sense).

This Saturn-Chiron-Uranus natal figure ("questioning of something that one has never questioned before") was activated by the progression of Venus to the natal+progressed Saturn-Chiron opposition.

posted October 14, 2019 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Graham:
[b]
It is a complicated astrological conundrum though ... particularly if the actual birthtime does produce those natal chart interceptions and duplications.

By progression (to 8Pisces25 on 25 April 2010) ... natal Venus does "promise" a potential depression - by forming a Tsquare with the natal (and progressed) Saturn-Chiron opposition.

So ... astrologically, it [b]was the Saturn-Chiron issue that was being addressed (by experiencing the depression) - but hormones may indeed have been the physical cause of the problem.

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A Pisces Ascendant between 20deg00 and 29deg59.59 gives a birthtime window of 09:22 to 09:47 (using a "best guess" place of birth). ... And, within that window, the interceptions and duplications do not change from those in your posted natal chart.

If those interceptions and duplications are valid ... a never-questioned childhood belief (concerning the 3rd and 9th houses) would be adversely affecting the 4th and 10th houses, in a way which prevents the positive Aries+Libra qualities from being used effectively.

So ... astrologically ... it may not be a co-incidence that your sister's 9th house Saturn is exactly 13degs20mins from Uranus (thus making an exact 27th harmonic aspect) - and opposing a 3rd house Chiron (with an orb of 1deg20, which is an exact 270th harmonic aspect).

The 27th harmonic aspect (27H) = the 3H (ease in doing something) x 9H (joy in doing something) = complacency. The 270H = the 27H (complacency) x 10H (intellectually striving to make sense of something) = questioning one's complacency?

Natal Uranus is exactly 168 degrees from natal Chiron - which is an exact 30th harmonic aspect (30H). ... The 30H = 3H (ease) x 10H (striving to make sense).

This Saturn-Chiron-Uranus natal figure ("questioning of something that one has never questioned before") was activated by the progression of Venus to the natal+progressed Saturn-Chiron opposition.

posted October 14, 2019 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
She's not a loner, and I'm not disputing the fact that it's hormonal but you kind of just proved my point in a way. Her astrological make up makes her more susceptible to postpartum depression by what you described with her Aquarius venus opposite moon. She was already an emotionally distant person to begin with, then adding the tr Saturn on her vertex opposite uranus and she had a very hard time dealing with not just a new baby, but a lot of other life changing circumstances.
Shes also a social butterfly that doesn't make very deep connections. It's more of a friendship than a deep commitment, even the way she raises her children. She's their friend first, mom second and she'll tell you this. She's had 3 kids and only suffered with the depression with her middle child. That's why I was looking at her transits during that particular time. She's always had an Aquarius stellium opposite her moon and has handled it well her whole life but something changed in her when she had her 2nd son.

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I hear you girl, I get what you are trying to explain now.

Yes I figured she had something going on with her venus.

posted October 14, 2019 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
No, actually he was born on March 25th but she didn't start feeling so bad until about a month later. That's also when he life started to basically crumble apart. She hasn't really been the same since. She's no longer the happy go lucky, social butterfly.

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Well TR Saturn was conjuncting her DC and opposing her AC during the time her middle son was born plus Tr Jupiter was squaring her IC. Tr saturn also during that year after her middle son was born formed a grand trine between her venus in aquarius stellium and CHIRON in Gemini, actually it activated a kite if we include her moon.

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posted October 14, 2019 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
Yes, it's lasted for a very long time. It started with the postpartum depression and has just never really left. She's seen doctors and nothing helps. She's asked me to look deeper into her chart to find some kind of guidance.

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I mean ongoing major depression is something that needs to be targeted with supplements/herbs and diet that are both tailored to her brain and body type to address underlying issues in her brain and avoid foods that do not support her mind and mental health. It also would require her to see a therapist and she would have to be open minded and stick to the therapy for a long time and find a therapist that is a good fit for her and she needs to be willing to work hard daily on restructuring how she copes and thinks ect, its like teaching your brain a new language, it takes time and ongoing effort. She also needs to figure out her values and how to build a life that is meaningful for her and be willing to make the changes necessary to honor that! and I can go on.........its hard work to get out of major depression and it is a daily thing and it needs to be targeted and addressed from many different angles.

posted October 14, 2019 05:21 PM            

Graham that makes perfect sense and describes her very well. This past summer has also been a particularly hard one too but she also recieved a promotion in June and a nice raise in her career but it's been super stressful.

Ami I agree completely. I've seen some mothers who just couldn't connect to their baby for anything. Not from depression, just flat out did not want to be a mother. I hated being pregnant and had 2 high risk pregnancies but thankfully 2 healthy boys and I truly love being their mom. With that said, I actually don't really care to be around children 😂. I absolutely love mine and enjoy who they are as people and knowing I'm helping them on their paths but I could never imagine myself in a career field that involves kids lol.

posted October 14, 2019 05:26 PM            

But my hormones may also went crazy. I even got a condition where I used to feel a momentary anxiety whenever I breastfeed, which is due to hormonal changes.
Everything including my relationship with my husband and issues with my family affected me a lot. I still tried to be strong, being an Aries and all.

Then after a few years I found help. I started taking antidepressant and it made a big difference on my mood. Also started therapy and I’m making progress.

There are lots of fsctors thst can influence without having to do with being a better mom or not by Moon sign. Some women may have wanted it all the time but a traumatic labor experience can ruin i all.

posted October 14, 2019 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
The transit can probably vary from person to person when it comes to postpartum depression. In my case, I’ve been through Pluto and Saturn transits square my natal Aries stellium in the 8th house. It’s been really hard, all the exhaustion, sleep deprivation, criticism and lack of support and understanding.

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posted October 14, 2019 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
The transit can probably vary from person to person when it comes to postpartum depression. In my case, I’ve been through Pluto and Saturn trnasits square my natal Aries stellium in the 8th house. It’s been really hard, all the exhaustion, sleep deprivation, criticism and lack of support and understanding. You may say that Aries are not too suitable for motherhood, I’m an introverted individual and the lack of time to be alone wih my thoughts has been hard. But I do love my child dearly, it’s been the best thing happened and my little treasure. There are no words to describe.

But my hormones may also went crazy. I even got a condition where I used to feel a momentary anxiety whenever I breastfeed, which is due to hormonal changes.
Everything including my relationship with my husband and issues with my family affected me a lot. I still tried to be strong, being an Aries and all.

Then after a few years I found help. I started taking antidepressant and it made a big difference on my mood. Also started therapy and I’m making progress.

There are lots of fsctors thst can influence without having to do with being a better mom or not by Moon sign. Some women may have wanted it all the time but a traumatic labor experience can ruin i all.

In the end, seeking help is really important and can make a difference. Sometimes we also have to find a few ones before finding the one tha works.

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posted October 15, 2019 11:11 AM            

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Graham that makes perfect sense and describes her very well. This past summer has also been a particularly hard one too but she also recieved a promotion in June and a nice raise in her career but it's been super stressful.

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Do you know how her Chiron wound was inflicted during childhood? ... And have you looked at her First Saturn Return Chart*? ... Does the Sun-Moon-Saturn family dynamics of the natal chart change in the Saturn Return Chart?

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No, actually her middle son was born on March 25th 2010

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