posted October 22, 2019 08:05 PM            

Each other pair, Aries-Scorpio, Taurus-Libra, Gemini-Virgo, Sagittarius-Pisces all either have 6 to 2 Signs in between them.

This seems to highlight a unique relationship between Capricorn and Aquarius. They are also at the very end of the Zodiac as well, and as each Sign stage/symbol progresses from Aries to Pisces, it becomes more complex, multi-faceted, more universal, and more balanced (between the Yin and Yang).

What is that unique connection and relationship between Capricorn and Aquarius? I would say that they not only share a traditional ruler, but that they share a modern ruler too.

posted October 22, 2019 10:29 PM            

Nope, this is Taurus and Cancer more so.

Capricorn on the other hand is uber pragmatic and uses what works. It just so happens that methods, means, processes, etc that are tested , tried and true, and have worked consistently in the past, are likely to work in the present as well.

Not always though, and Capricorn is open to innovation and change IF it proves to work better. Capricorn out of all the Signs is the one that most correlates with the "scientist" archetype (followed closely by Virgo and Aquarius). Again, they are ruthlessly pragmatic and will chuck out the old if it shows itself to not work. But the new/different way has to be proven/tested before they adopt it (whereas Aquarius sometimes might try to skip that step and go straight for intuiting, or theorizing, what will work better).

How many revolutionary and pioneering types have had strong Capricorn in their charts? Quite a few.

Saturn is a pretty Yang energy. However, Capricorn is a slightly polarized Yin energy. Cayce called Uranus that of the psychic (along with the extremes and unusual).

Psychic by nature is Yin, because it's receptive/receiving and observing. Uranus is the Yin balance that Capricorn is missing with only having the rather Yang Saturn as a ruler.

Conversely, Aquarius might be the most blended/androgynous of the Signs (especially when near the Pisces cusp). It's a Yang polarized Sign, but Uranus helps to balance that and the Saturn Yang part out.

I admit I might not be the best and most objective source since Capricorn and Aquarius are both highlighted in my chart, and furthermore fairly blended and with Uranus pretty highlighted.

Uranus is Angular (in 4th), and in major aspect to the Sun, the chart ruler, and in major aspect to Saturn the faster moving ruler of my Sun (Cap), Mercury (Cap), Venus (Aqua), and Descendant (Aqua) Signs.

But, again the real clue is in their unique Sign pairing relationship which is different than all the other Sign pairs that share a traditional ruler.

posted October 23, 2019 05:36 PM            

I love Aquarians, and married one as well! My parents also Capricorn/Aquarius.

Thank you for the interesting topic! I, too, wonder if I’m a “biased” Capricorn due to Uranus-Sun and Asc., but I have yet to meet an Aquarius that I didn’t “vibe” with.

posted October 23, 2019 08:08 PM            

"Real" Aquas have nothing to do with "real" Caps imo. When I say real I mean people who have quite a few personal planets in Cap or Aqua with no hard aspects especially to Uranus/Saturn in this case.

Capricorns are very dependable, reliable and stable plus emotional, Aquas are the opposite. Something they have in common is their cool and slow approach to others but even that is for different reasons.
The quickest way to repel an Aqua is to be dependent on him, but the opposite happens when you do that to a Cap.

posted October 23, 2019 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by manymoones:
I am a Capricorn, Aquarius rising. My sun conjuncts Uranus. Neptune, Saturn, Venus, and NN also in Capricorn.

I love Aquarians, and married one as well! My parents also Capricorn/Aquarius.

Thank you for the interesting topic! I, too, wonder if I’m a “biased” Capricorn due to Uranus-Sun and Asc., but I have yet to meet an Aquarius that I didn’t “vibe” with.

I feel the Aquarius energy is highly complementary to Capricorn energy.

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Thank you for the feedback.

Yeah, it seems to be more so than the other signs next to each other. Usually the Signs directly next to each other have very little in common (unless they are mutually cusping the same two combo of signs).

I do think that people like yourself and I, do vibe better with Aquarius because of our other placements.

posted October 23, 2019 09:19 PM            

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I'm an Aqua Moon and I'm drawn to Capricorn energy like a moth to a flame. I consider myself solid, rational, but they take that energy and magnify it back by a thousand. They're very much like a rock to an Aquarius - something tried, true, that has lasted for thousands of years and will continue to do so. There is a really comforting consistency I feel with Caps. My boyfriend and best friend are both Cap Moons (among many other Cap placements in their chart). They make me feel at peace (rare!)

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Very interesting. So you don't have anything in Capricorn?

I think with people that are more evolved that have strong Capricorn, that indeed, a deep calmness and centerdness is common. Awhile back I worked with children with multiple disabilities, some of whom were quite violent. My supervisor, a fellow Cap Sun but cusping Sag a bit, paired me with the most violent student because in her words, "how calm you are", and he tended to have less incidences with me.

I remember one time I was sitting on the couch, and he sat on the couch next to me, and put his head on my shoulders, and I could see the looks and thoughts in my co-workers faces and eyes of like, "OMG" because this student would seemingly randomly, viciously bite people and all the other staff were afraid of him. Thankfully he didn't, just some rare mood of wanting some affection/connection with another human.

posted October 23, 2019 09:30 PM            

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Capricorns are very dependable, reliable and stable plus emotional, Aquas are the opposite. Something they have in common is their cool and slow approach to others but even that is for different reasons.

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Having Leo Rising, Aqua Venus, Libra Moon (has a 5th House pull/resonation with strong Aqua), Saturn faster moving ruler of Venus and Descenceant closely sextile Uranus, and progressed Sun in Aquarius, I have had a pattern of attracting people with strong Aquarius like moths to a flame. Most of my closest and longest lasting relationships involved people with moderate to strong Aqua indications.

Speaking from that, so far, I haven't noticed these folks to be undependable and unreliable. My partner who has Aqua Sun, Venus, and South Node, with Rising cusping Aqua, is one of the most staid, loyal and dependable people that I have ever met. Aquarius is a Fixed Sign.

Now Uranians on the other hand--a percentage of these I have found very unreliable etc. The person I fell in love with a few months back, is a predominant Uranian, and she ran rather hot and cold. Little Aquarius to speak of (besides Vertex) and Aqua Uranus at like 0 degrees (her chart ruler was extremely closely square same). I found her to also be definitely on the selfish/self centered side and sometimes lacking in empathy and consideration of others. I wasn't the only one to notice. A couple of mutual female friends, noted similar about her. One said that she thought she might be a narcissist.

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The quickest way to repel an Aqua is to be dependent on him, but the opposite happens when you do that to a Cap.

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That I can agree with more. They do tend to rather like and value their space and independence even more than Capricorn.

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What you say I find that it applies to people who have both Aqua and Cap energy (including Saturn/Uranus aspects to personal planets and ASC) in their natal charts. But that would apply to all people who have any mix of signs/aspects in their chart.

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Yes, ideally we would find a sub set of folks with either strong Capricorn or strong Aquarius, (little to no cross pollinating) and with little highlighting of either Saturn or Uranus.

However, what I said earlier still rings very true:

"But, again the real clue is in their unique Sign pairing relationship which is different than all the other Sign pairs that share a traditional ruler." (That, and they're both towards the very end of the Zodiac).

This is and of itself, should make the curious and discerning, sit up and pay closer attention. Something is going on.

posted October 23, 2019 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Very interesting. So you don't have anything in Capricorn?

I think with people that are more evolved that have strong Capricorn, that indeed, a deep calmness and centerdness is common. Awhile back I worked with children with multiple disabilities, some of whom were quite violent. My supervisor, a fellow Cap Sun but cusping Sag a bit, paired me with the most violent student because in her words, "how calm you are", and he tended to have less incidences with me.

I remember one time I was sitting on the couch, and he sat on the couch next to me, and put his head on my shoulders, and I could see the looks and thoughts in my co-workers faces and eyes of like, "OMG" because this student would seemingly randomly, viciously bite people and all the other staff were afraid of him. Thankfully he didn't, just some rare mood of wanting some affection/connection with another human.

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I do have a fair amount of Saturnine stuff in my chart! I'm from that Cap generation that includes Uranus, Neptune, Saturn so it's all very impersonal yet significant at the same time. So is my best friend, but my boyfriend is from the Pluto in Virgo generation.. but he still gives off a very stately presence. I don't think that the Capricorns of the mega-outer planet Capricorn generation are separate from "pure" Caps at all in that sense. It's all rather uniform.

My Saturn does some significant stuff in my chart, the most prominent among them is probably the trine to my Sun (0*) and ASC (0*), plus my DSC ruler (Neptune) is in Cap, so naturally I find myself rather hypontized by Cap energy. There is also something deeply seductive in that sign for me.

Capricorns are super zen, absolutely. It's so astute that your supervisor thought to put you in that position - not just that you CAN handle it as a Cap, but that you can also imbue that serenity onto others simply with your presence. I had a Cap Sun online friend and she just RADIATED a Buddhist-like energy, her narrative voice had such a rich warmth to it. Another very calming presence (even if not in close proximity)

posted October 23, 2019 11:02 PM            

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Having Leo Rising, Aqua Venus, Libra Moon (has a 5th House pull/resonation with strong Aqua), Saturn faster moving ruler of Venus and Descenceant closely sextile Uranus, and progressed Sun in Aquarius, I have had a pattern of attracting people with strong Aquarius like moths to a flame. Most of my closest and longest lasting relationships involved people with moderate to strong Aqua indications.

Speaking from that, so far, I haven't noticed these folks to be undependable and unreliable. My partner who has Aqua Sun, Venus, and South Node, with Rising cusping Aqua, is one of the most staid, loyal and dependable people that I have ever met. Aquarius is a Fixed Sign.

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So your Moon trines their Sun and probably their Mercury at least by sign. You have both Venus and 7th H in Aqua.. I mean it would be unatural from an astrological point of view if you didn't attract people with Aqua placements. You are compatible with them.

Me on the other hand I have a Cap DSC with Uranus conjuncting it plus 8th H in Aqua with Saturn in it.. So I attract Caps with a bit of Aqua energy but always a watery Moon (have lots of water) otherwise Aquas are too cold for me.

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Now Uranians on the other hand--a percentage of these I have found very unreliable etc. The person I fell in love with a few months back, is a predominant Uranian, and she ran rather hot and cold. Little Aquarius to speak of (besides Vertex) and Aqua Uranus at like 0 degrees (her chart ruler was extremely closely square same). I found her to also be definitely on the selfish/self centered side and sometimes lacking in empathy and consideration of others. I wasn't the only one to notice. A couple of mutual female friends, noted similar about her. One said that she thought she might be a narcissist.

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I understand but you have to see her whole chart, it's very important. I bet the person above (with Aqua Sun or Moon), who mentioned being attracted to Caps has some Cap/Saturn energy in his/her chart and probably the Caps she/he is attracted to may have Sag or Aqua planets.
Having planets in the previous or next sign from that of your Sun sign is very common.

Aspects and house placements are stronger than planetary signs unless the specific planet makes no major aspects. Any major aspect will have a stronger impact than the sign the planet is in.

Also house signs and house placements are so important that if I had to choose to see just a part of someone's natal chart it would be planets' house placements. I have 2 friends born a few days earlier than me with same planets and aspects except Moon and ASCs. We are so different with different life experiences.. it's just obvious from our houe placements.

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Yes, ideally we would find a sub set of folks with either strong Capricorn or strong Aquarius, (little to no cross pollinating) and with little highlighting of either Saturn or Uranus.

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Exactly. Have you known any? I've just met fully Aries, fully Aqua and almost fully Cap people until now.

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However, what I said earlier still rings very true:

"But, again the real clue is in their unique Sign pairing relationship which is different than all the other Sign pairs that share a traditional ruler." [/b] (That, and they're both towards the very end of the Zodiac).

This is and of itself, should make the curious and discerning, sit up and pay closer attention. Something is going on.

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To be honest I'm not a fan of traditional rulerships. I have Uranus, Neptune and Pluto aspects that I relate to the most. Just by reading their aspects and house placements you'll know 70%-80% of my personality. If I somehow had no idea about modern rulers I wouldn't be into astrology at all because I wouldn't be able to relate for the most part. There are major things missing and same goes for other charts I've read too.

posted October 23, 2019 11:51 PM            

In my partner's case, she has Venus conjunct her Ascendant/1st House. There are days when I swear she is a Taurus because she loves/craves affection and touch so much.

My best friend for a little over 10 years, interestingly had the same birthday as her, and he also had Venus conjunct his Ascendant (and both are artists). Plus, he had Scorpio Moon, and his Venus is in Pisces (conjunct early Aries Ascendant), so he was more emotionally intense and deep than an average Aquarius.

To answer your question, I unfortunately do not know of such a subset off the top of my head.

Yes, I totally get what you're saying about the modern rulers. When I first got into astrology, I was mightily confused why I related far more to a combo of Pisces and Aquarius than I did to Capricorn in a lot of ways.

But once the Planetary strengths were focused on and figured out, it made a lot more sense.

I have a combination of very strong Jupiter, Neptune, and Uranus. The former being the rulers of Pisces, and the latter being the main ruler of Aquarius. The Angular Pisces South Node strongly cusping Aquarius, and ruler of the Moon Sign--Venus-- being in Aquarius and Angular certainly doesn't hurt either.

Oddly, in some ways, I've actually grown to become more Capricorn like over the years. I kind of see that with the Sun, North Node, and MC combo of symbols fairly often. There is often a bit of a process of growing into these over time.

posted October 24, 2019 12:27 AM            

Besides being a very strong and stressed Uranian, she has a strong combo of Aries and Taurus, strong Mercury, moderate to strong Pluto, and modeate Moon (Scorp Moon conjunct Pluto and that conjunction conjunct IC).

Uranus is that of the extremes and of having both very fast vibratory and slow vibratory aspects/patterns within and swinging back and forth between them, and Uranians can be very loving, and very positive at times. I saw this in her too.

But those other indications tend to be rather self focused.

While I'm speaking somewhat harshly of her, the truth is, she also has been through a lot of intense trauma, and if I could, I would just hold her in the purest love I could attune to.

It's not her fault that she is the way that she is. I think that if she had not experienced the things she experienced, she likely would be a lot more balanced and healthier now. Beneath her personality, she is a rather old Soul that took on a lot because her Soul wanted to grow a lot in this life.

Part of me just wishes that I had met her later on, after she has healed herself a lot more. But I know that I acted as a powerful catalyst for her, and we came into each others lives when we did, for deeper reasons.

posted October 24, 2019 09:55 PM            

Why is it the only pair of Signs that share a traditional ruler that are right next to each other? What does this mean? What does it imply?

posted October 26, 2019 04:05 AM            

Symbolically Cap energy represents Saturn(the planet which traditionally stood for "endings" &boundaries)-as it was the last planet in the then known solar system and represented "finality" and the "closing off" of things.

Now this was until Uranus was "discovered". And Ura contradicted all of that & turned traditional astrology (as it existed) on its head i.e Saturn wasn't the "end" of the planetary system after all and opened a pandoras box of many possible others beyond it.

There are still astrologers who are split between using traditional planetary rulership and those who opt for the modern approach. Some mix the two whilst others are more rigid in sticking to one or the other.

This to me is representative of the "chaotic" nature of Uranus and how the order/rules (Saturn) adopted before, are not beyond reproach and not wholly accepted by all i.e Uranus is the rebellious child who refuses to conform.

Cap may not be a lover of tradition per se. But if the definition of tradition is "the way things were,are and ,the way things "ought" to be" etc. I see Cap as a big fan.This whether these "work" to the benefit of all or not. Cap energy is indifferrent and preserves but does "challenge".

Aquarius is next to Cap and in the house derivative method, Cap is 12th(loss) to Aqua i.e Cap "undermines" Aqua as much as Aqua contradicts Cap.

An example would be a Cap Asc with Sun in Aqua- whom wants to be taken seriously, can come across as conventional and "traditional" as much as possible in order to align to society's standards and be the "gold" standard.

They dress, speak and conduct themselves in a manner fitting of someone "traditional" or at least "conforming" etc.

However with the Sun in Aqua, their personality has a tinge of the unconventional i.e they could be the one in the group who is into science fiction or alien abduction stuff.

They may even listen to music that the others do not(because its not commercial).The core personality objective here would be to break down (Aqua Sun)the rigid perceptions initially perceived by the Asc Cap surface interaction

With Aqua Asc and Cap Sun, the reverse can happen i.e the native can prove to be more traditional and conservative than would have otherwise been initially perceived.

And by "traditional", I mean that they are going to mantain or preserve the "status quo"-whatever that means to them and are slow to go against the grain(if at all).

An example would be someone who looks like Bob Marley Mr "Chill".But is actually a devout orthodox Catholic.Rigidly so.

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Now this was until Uranus was "discovered". And Ura contradicted all of that & turned traditional astrology (as it existed) on its head i.e Saturn wasn't the "end" of the planetary system after all and opened a pandoras box of many possible others beyond it.

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posted October 26, 2019 02:19 PM            

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Semi-sextile signs contradict each other, as one is meant to negate the other's traits (atleast cosmically)...

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I think the above is generally a very good outline and there is much that I agree with. I do find one issue though, and which is very common among a lot of astrology students:

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*GalacticCoreExplosion's use of bold.

In modern astrology, there is too much of a conflating Sign and Planetary energy together in a direct, one to one kind of way, as if they are basically the same thing but with different names.
I just don't find it to be true if one thinks more deeply and holistically. Are there connections between certain Planets and Signs? Certainly, and that is fairly obvious. But they have their differences, and sometimes major ones.

I'll give three good examples, first two, then the third: Aries and it's corresponding ruler Mars, and Leo and it's ruler the Sun. In many ways, the Sign and the Planetary energies are rather different. Having Libra Moon and fairly strong Venus energy, I've had a percentage of people in my life with strong Aries (including a few romantic connections). I have found in a fairly good percentage of these folks that they often are quite sharp cookies mentally/intellectually. This is not something that relates to Mars whatsoever. Mars is all testosterone and very little brains. Mars is the very definition of a brute. It is not a thinker like Aries is.

But, interestingly, Aries rules the head in the body. What does that mean in deeper, holistic sense. Well the head symbolizes the intellect, the "left brain", logical, thinking, part of us. In folks with strong Aries, one almost gets the sense of a Mercury like attunement as well (which does actually relate to Bailey's Esoteric astrology system, but anybody with any holistic logic and/or intuition can connect the Head correspondence of Aries to that of Mercury of the mind and intellect).

Do Aries and Mars have some things in common? Of course. Both tend towards a certain self focusedness, both tend towards an independence, a fiery/passionate nature that is sometimes impulsive, etc. But there ARE noticeable differences as outlined in the above. Mars doesn't directly = Aries and Aries doesn't = Mars. They are their own unique symbols.

Ok, let's look at Leo and the Sun. The Sun is potentially (and at it's core) a very expanded and spiritualized symbol. After all, the Sun is the very heart/center of our little system and the head honcho that is the warmth and Light that gives/allows for Life on our little planet. In science we know that the Sun has a powerful affect on the Earth and life, and in many ways less overt/obvious than that of light and warmth. There are all kinds of intertwined cycles in the Earth that relate directly to it's connection with the Sun.

Out of all the symbols in our little lexicon of symbols that relate directly to this little Solar system, it is the Sun that most corresponds to those concepts of Spirit and pure Love. (this is not to say that every natal Solarian lives up to this, because not everyone does as it's such an expanded and fast vibratory frequency and hard to fully live up to).

Leo on the other hand is not quite so expanded or fast vibratory to put it mildly. Leo is much more of the earth, and is like a slower vibratory, lower octave reflection of the Solar energy. In color and aura terms, where Leo is like a high orange (yellow orange or orange yellow blend), the Sun at it's highest is a Golden Light.

Are there some connections and some similarities? Of course. Both are passionate, Fire energies but are more stable, concentrated, and focused than the other Fire energies. Both relate a lot to the "heart". Leo has the capacity to feel Love, but doesn't universalize it like the Sun tends to. Leo needs it opposite/complimentary polarity, Aquarius, (the larger collective/group) for it to attune to that more Solar and Universal level.

Leo is like a hormonal teen, and the Sun is the spiritually awakened Initiate. They both have a lot of energy, will, creative juice, and desire, but they focus it in very different ways. One doesn't get to the Sun until Pisces, Jupiter, and/or Neptune (the violet/purple spectrum) is fully mastered. Leo on the other hand is only the 5th Sign/stage in the Zodiac towards the ego death/transmutation of Pisces.

Then let's briefly focus on Capricorn and Saturn. There is perhaps no Sign to Planet pairing other than Leo and Sun that have the most innate and striking differences between the basic energies. This is very, very clear when looking at the Cayce readings about Saturn. In the Cayce readings, Saturn is very close to the Hebraic concept of Ha-Satan the spiritual tempter and adversary. Time and time again, Cayce's guidance correlates very strong Saturn with very strong selfishness and materialism, beyond that of even Mars. Saturn also nonphysically/afterlife dimension wise, represents a stage (one that happens in the nonphysical), an experience of the consciousness entropic break down of self. Souls are potentially, probably, and meant to be completely eternal. And yet we are told by 3 respectable sources (Cayce, Tom Campbell, and Bruce Moen) that a Soul self can so debase itself, so lose connection to it's inner Source and Love nature as to experience full chaotic entropy of it's very vibratory patterns, essentially destroying that which makes it a conscious, self aware, freewill individual. And what symbol relates to this? Saturn.

Contrast that with Capricorn, the 10th Sign/stage, which is very Universal in attunement and symbolism, and very much a Sign/symbol of service to others. Capricorn is a fast'ish vibratory symbol whereas Saturn is a very slow vibratory symbol. Cayce's guidance did not talk a lot about Capricorn, but one of the few references is quite interesting if very mysterious and leaves more questions than answers, "...Just as those experiences upon the doorways to the greater consciousness of a soul. For here, too, hath the entity had those experiences upon the fixed stars, as upon Capricornus, as upon the influences of that great entrance into the holy of holies*. And as the entity upon the mornings of its visions hath caught here and there the beauties of the glorious life, glorious expressions of the Son of man." excerpted from reading 774-5

(* an interesting question is what exactly is that "holy of holies" in an outer, symbol sense. It might be our Galactic Core [which is to the entire Galaxy, what the Sun is to our little system], of which is and has been aligning for many years with the Winter Solstice Sun i.e. the start/beginning of Solar Capricorn cycle).

These are very deep, symbolic archetypal truths that go far beyond modern and pop astrology. The sooner we get away from the simplistic notions of Planets = Signs and Signs = Planets, the better off astrology and astrological understanding will be and become.

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Sounds good.