posted October 23, 2019 09:33 PM            

My chart:

Sun in Leo (1st)
Moon in Leo (1st)
Mercury in Virgo (2nd)
Venus in Leo (12th)
Mars in Taurus (10th)

So the house placements as a chart would look like:

Sun in Aries
Moon in Aries
Mercury in Taurus
Venus in Pisces
Mars in Capricorn

posted October 23, 2019 11:19 PM            

Particularly in the case of the Ascendant and the 1st House, you can think of this as a giant magnifying lens. The Sign on the Asecndant degree will color things a bit, but it's more of a background, soft, diffuse color, compared to the intense, very bright, very concentrated spot light of the Planet or Planets near same.

Or in other words, someone with a Planet near the Ascendant or in the 1st House, pretty much personify that Planet or Planet's very essence, meaning, and symbolism in the very core of their being.

Part of this is because quite often, the Planet closest to the Ascendant, represents the nonphysical dimension/consciousness level that we phased into the physical body/dimension from.

And so quite often, the Planet closest to the Ascendant becomes the most dominant note in the entire chart. In your case, it might be a little trickier, because of various Planets in that area, and because your Sun gains some extra strength from also being in Leo.

In other words, one cannot read a Planet in a certain House, as like a Planet in the Sign that has a natural, archetypal correspondence with that House order.

Someone with Sun say conjunct their Ascendant and the Planet closest to same, is not going to be very Aries like, but rather, they are going to be hyper/uber Solarian.

The Sun is a very interesting symbol. It is potentially the fastest vibratory and most expanded symbol in our little Solar system consciousness symbol set.

It is so fast vibratory, so expanded, that few people live up to it's full potential. The rest of the chart has to support that. The main pattern of supporting that, is either Jupiter, Neptune, and/or Pisces being very strong simultaneously and the person having mastered these.

These are the violet/purple spectrum. This is the vibration range that comes right before the Golden Light of the Sun i.e. the awakened Initiate. This is when the person starts phasing from the 6th Center (Pineal) and starts awakening/resonating their 7th Center (Pituitary).

People with very strong Sun, are the rare people that have a lot of Golden Light show up in their aura consistently.

But again, only a relatively small percentage of people with Sun very strong, seem to be living up to that full, very high potential.

Edgar Cayce's guidance, in his own past life readings for himself, outlines a "past" lifetime where one of his Soul selves came from the dimension/level of consciousness that the Sun represents and correlates with, and the guidance referred to it as "The Sun, the infinity forces".

We're talking Spirit level here. This is a person that is coming direct from the level of their Higher/Expanded/Spirit self fully consciously. They don't have to be in this system to begin with, but are so for service reasons.

Or in more colloquial or common terms, they are very, unusually old positive service Souls. Arcturus is most likely their next step, if they choose to leave this system after the current/present life. Sometimes they go there and come back, like with what happened with Edgar Cayce's Spirit and one of his Soul selves.

After Ra Ta left the Earth, he phased to Arcturus. When his Spirit reformed/created another Soul in linear time perspective, it made the Soul who became known as Uhjltd. Uhjtld was said to come under predominant Arcturus (from Ra's experience/phasing there).

Cayce's guidance spoke very unusually highly of Uhjltd (pronounced Yoo elt) and said that when others came upon this unusual, very Love attuned man, they felt as if they were listening to a spiritual Master speak. (Unfortunately for him, and for Cayce's Spirit, Uhjltd died in anger, really more rage, at being betrayed by someone he thought a friend and watching his Twin Soul/mate being brutally murdered in front of him, while he was also attacked, but held onto material life for awhile, stewing in intense pain and intense hatred/anger/rage, and when his body died, his Soul phased to the nonphysical dimension/consciousness level that Mars corresponds to--one of the lower/slower vibratory afterlife levels).

posted October 23, 2019 11:32 PM            

Anyway, she was talking about how she used to be into snowboarding, skiing, and other activities that I'm not into, and I wondered why she seemed more Aries/fiery than me. I've done things like run towards a bed that was on fire, to put it out (scared stiff that I couldn't), but I was thinking that I'm a sixth house Sun: my hobby is staying out of the ER.

posted October 24, 2019 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
How much importance do houses have in effecting planets/signs?

My chart:

Sun in Leo (1st)
Moon in Leo (1st)
Mercury in Virgo (2nd)
Venus in Leo (12th)
Mars in Taurus (10th)

So the house placements as a chart would look like:

Sun in Aries
Moon in Aries
Mercury in Taurus
Venus in Pisces
Mars in Capricorn

Would I come off at all like the secondary chart, or does it not have that much influence? Or manifests in not so much effecting the signs but areas of life?

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This question has been asked again and again ever since I began delving into astrology. And will be asked again for a long while after this discussion-as there continues to be separation between house energy and planet energy.Of which i don't think there should.

The argument is that the house is merely "where" the energy is being played out etc. That it has no bearing on the expression of the planet concerned?Two disjointed placements. I disagree.

I remember years ago reading how the Moon in 3rd house tends to suggest that the Mom is seen as a sibling. And the native is more "Gemini" in their emotional nature.

Then I read that in Jack Nicholson's instance,that literally was the case i.e he found out that his believed to be "sister", was actually his biological Mom.Yikes!

Add to that, Jack Nicholson never quite settled down with one woman for long(another Gemini trait). He married once but never again. But nevertheless had multiple relationships throughout his life(the longest notably with Angelica Huston) and fathering children from these affairs(and interestingly none with Angelica Huston).

This is not what you would expect from a Moon in Virgo-who often pride themselves on living "by the book" and being minimalistic(with children too).Jack has 5 kids.

I think there is some kind of "mergence" tbh. I wouldn't peg a Moon in Aries in 3rd house as a "complete" Gemini Moon for instance, as much as I wouldn't call a lion a cat.

But its the same family of felines and there are affiliations/ similarities as a result of being in the family(looks wise). So I would say that there are traces of a Gemini-like approach to things for each person with a 3rd house planet.

Say for instance someone has Mars in Aries in 3rd. Such an individual would for instance because of Aries Mars, opt to be open,bold,candid & passionate when expressing their opinion(3rd).

It would overlap with Gemini because the native would be verbose and their energy would be geared towards verbal or written expression.

But it would differ with detached Gemini in that when in Aries, the native will be less dispassionate with words & prone to subjective opinions or anger.They may get into arguments a lot.

Someone with Moon in Virgo would be the type to deal with emotions in a private way-far from public tantrums and passionate displays of feelings etc.

But if that Moon in Virgo conjuncts the 1st, these emotions(Moon) cannot hide(1st).So what happens is that others are quick to pick up in changes of mood or temperament - and the Moon in Virgo is typically unlikely to be able to consciously minimise this.

Others will end up labeling the Virgo idividual the "heart on sleeve" or "passionate" type(similar to Aries traits).And not quite the ideal that attention averse,unobtrusive Virgo would typically want to be known for.

However the Virgo individual (unlike the "rush in first" Aries)will still have the discernment of Mercury i.e a tendency to lean on detail/ excessive worry, an attention towards editing or "proofreading" what they say etc.

I have a mate with Aries Sun opp Mars.Virgo Moon is in the 1st house of Leo.I thought it was the Leo Asc that had him react in a strongly "bi polar" way as his emotions were rarely ever concealed from others-whether it was excitement or outrage.

But I found that its the combo of Mars opposition Sun as well as Moon in 1s that does this "polar" swing from anger to apologizing habituallly.

We disagreed a lot and we'd both get worked up(I also have Mars in Libra opp Asc in Aries with Moon square Asc/Mars) only to later apologize.

posted October 24, 2019 03:55 AM            

Ok, we have a Scorpio Sun, and someone with say Gemini Sun in the 8th House (I deliberately picked Gemini Sun because of how different it's symbolism and "vibe" is from Scorpio).

Scorpio Sun starts off with certain personality traits and patterns, of which we don't need to go into because we all know what Scorpio represents.

Gemini Sun on the other hand, starts off a lighter, more intellectual, more communicative, more flexible energy and personality.

However, because their Sun is in the 8th House, they are destined to have 8th House type experiences and matters highlighted in their lives. Perhaps they have some difficult sexual experiences. Perhaps they have an identify crisis. Perhaps they have some psychic experiences that makes them question mainstream paradigms and belief systems. Perhaps they have some kind of trauma or crisis that involves intense over powering fear. Perhaps they get involved with other people's money or business and it's a heavy responsibility. Perhaps they get into a very intense, merging relationship where one or both people feel like they are getting absorbed into each other.

Whatever actual events and outer life patterns arise, eventually these kinds of events and life patterns are going to have a deepening, intensifying affect on this person's personality. They might have started off pretty carefree and lalalala Gemini, but these kind of painful, deep, penetrating, and/or transformative experiences will eventually shift them towards a more Scorpio like attunement and expression over time. They may become more suspicious or wary of others, they may question things more deeply, they may feel things more deeply, they may decide to investigate and research things more thoroughly, etc, etc. i.e. in a sense becoming more Scorpio like over time.

What is the difference? One starts off more internally and more automatically--that personality was always there [Scorpio Sun]

And the other gets gradually formed by the life experiences etc. I.e. its more indirect, more gradual, and more outer oriented but eventually affects/molds the inner.

But let's go back to Planets in the 1st. This is very clear and simple. They do not make a person more Aries like AT ALL unless the Planet is Mars or Mercury (the two planets that have the most resonance with Aries, the sign of the Head) are the ones in the 1st.

In fact, someone with say Moon, Neptune, Venus, Jupiter, etc in the 1st is going to be VERY different than an Archetypal Aries. In the case of the Moon and Neptune they are likely to be quite passive etc. Ok, but say they are an Aries Sun, or an Aries Rising at the same time.

Sure, that will shade in, and ultimately they will be a bit more balanced than someone with strong Moon or Neptune but with strong Pisces or Taurus, but very highlighted Planetary energy is stronger than Sign.

This whole strong emphasis on Sign this, Sign that, is a very modern convention that just did not exist in the ancient worlds and cultures. It also doesn't exist in the Cayce readings either interestingly. Cayce's guidance rarely talked about Signs and sometimes referred to them as the "wavering" indications/patterns. What does "Wavering" mean? It's a big clue.

Yet, time and time again, in Life Readings, they list a person's strongest Planets in order from strongest to less so. Indicating that it was these, far more than Signs, which connected to the deeper and more consistent CHARACTER parts of a person, rather than the wavering, personality parts that Signs correspond to. (Now, if you're all personality and have little connection to your deeper Soul self, then by all means, focus a lot more on the Signs).

It bears repeating, every Sign based research and study on astrology has failed miserably. Only study that ever showed statistical evidence supporting astrology, was Planetary based in relation to the Angles (and in relation to careers).

posted October 26, 2019 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
How much importance do houses have in effecting planets/signs?

My chart:

Sun in Leo (1st)
Moon in Leo (1st)
Mercury in Virgo (2nd)
Venus in Leo (12th)
Mars in Taurus (10th)

So the house placements as a chart would look like:

Sun in Aries
Moon in Aries
Mercury in Taurus
Venus in Pisces
Mars in Capricorn

Would I come off at all like the secondary chart, or does it not have that much influence? Or manifests in not so much effecting the signs but areas of life?

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Houses are areas of life focus, slices of life interest or activities. Signs are modes of expression. Houses and signs are not equivalent in a way that they can be exchanged as if synonymous. We learn the houses by comparison to signs, but that does not make them interchangeable equivalents.

The actual house position of a planet relates a lot to its strength.

Sun is pretty strong in Leo, all things being equal, and it retains a good deal of that in the 1st house, but does not add as much to its strength in that house as you'd think, because Sun is strongest above the horizon and near the Midheaven.

Moon gains more in strength by a 1st house position than the Sun, because Moon expresses itself more appropriately there as it is a subjective energy rather than an objective one as the Sun is.

posted October 27, 2019 06:05 PM            

I feel like they kind of do work like a secondary chart. Except maybe with the exception of the 1st, 5th, and 10th house because I feel like they are bit different, but that's just my theory.
In my experience, I have a 1st house stellium, so that would essentially make me Aries-like but Im nothing like an Aries. I think because the 1st house is more "out there' than the other houses so the energy of that house brings out the planet?

If houses don't translate to signs somewhat than it doesn't make sense.
Example is my sister. She has nothing in Virgo, but she has Venus in the 6th house, and she has some Virgo qualities. Nothing in her chart represents that same energy so I wonder why she would have those traits? She's health conscious, she's a hard worker, needs thinks to be clean and have good hygiene, is somewhat of a perfectionist.

And me, I have an Aquarius moon in the 12th house. Im really not unemotional like the way Aquarius moon is said to be at all. Im pretty emotional. Maybe not as much a water moon, but definitely more emotional than people I know who have their moon in fire, earth, and air. It doesn't make much sense why, especially since my moon doesn't aspect Neptune. But I thought maybe the 12th house affects it? But then some people say it doesn't.
If the house placement doesn't color the planet, how some people with 12th house placement are introverted and shy? I know girls I went to school with born the same year and day/ or around the same day as me and they were way more outgoing than me. I am a Pisces sun, mercury, and Venus, and so were they but they had lots of friends and were outgoing. I wondered why I was different from them? I have a Aqua rising, moon, Uranus, and Jupiter so I should be outgoing and social, but they were much more social than me. So my 12th house stellium might be the cultprit, I have always been shy and quiet since I was young. Some guy I knew (in elementary school lol) was born the same exact day and year as me but he had some obvious difference in personalty. Even though we were young you can really feel the differences in me and the other kids I went to school with. Even when we are born with a chart almost exact, there are still such noticeable differences.

If houses are just areas of life it doesn't make sense that it would reflect the personality. Like people with 11th house stellium tend to be more outgoing and have more friends. It surely affects who they are. I think it all falls into place.

My sister has Cancer moon but also the Sun in the 4th house (house of cancer) I think it affects her sun because she isn't much like a gemini. She has some Gemini traits but mixed in with Cancer, it's like a blend I believe.

12th house people are shy and quiet, how outgoing you are or aren't is a part of your nature, you can't fake it. It's hard for an outgoing person to be shy or quiet and hard for a quiet person to be outgoing.

posted November 02, 2019 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
"The world may never know" is from a tootsie pop commercial.

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posted November 03, 2019 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
A bit of a holistic clarification and simplification. I will give a more concrete example of how this really works.

Ok, we have a Scorpio Sun, and someone with say Gemini Sun in the 8th House (I deliberately picked Gemini Sun because of how different it's symbolism and "vibe" is from Scorpio).

Scorpio Sun starts off with certain personality traits and patterns, of which we don't need to go into because we all know what Scorpio represents.

Gemini Sun on the other hand, starts off a lighter, more intellectual, more communicative, more flexible energy and personality.

However, because their Sun is in the 8th House, they are destined to have 8th House type experiences and matters highlighted in their lives. Perhaps they have some difficult sexual experiences. Perhaps they have an identify crisis. Perhaps they have some psychic experiences that makes them question mainstream paradigms and belief systems. Perhaps they have some kind of trauma or crisis that involves intense over powering fear. Perhaps they get involved with other people's money or business and it's a heavy responsibility. Perhaps they get into a very intense, merging relationship where one or both people feel like they are getting absorbed into each other.

Whatever actual events and outer life patterns arise, eventually these kinds of events and life patterns are going to have a deepening, intensifying affect on this person's personality. They might have started off pretty carefree and lalalala Gemini, but these kind of painful, deep, penetrating, and/or transformative experiences will eventually shift them towards a more Scorpio like attunement and expression over time. They may become more suspicious or wary of others, they may question things more deeply, they may feel things more deeply, they may decide to investigate and research things more thoroughly, etc, etc. i.e. in a sense becoming more Scorpio like over time.

What is the difference? One starts off more internally and more automatically--that personality was always there [Scorpio Sun]

And the other gets gradually formed by the life experiences etc. I.e. its more indirect, more gradual, and more outer oriented but eventually affects/molds the inner.

But let's go back to Planets in the 1st. This is very clear and simple. They do not make a person more Aries like AT ALL unless the Planet is Mars or Mercury (the two planets that have the most resonance with Aries, the sign of the Head) are the ones in the 1st.

In fact, someone with say Moon, Neptune, Venus, Jupiter, etc in the 1st is going to be VERY different than an Archetypal Aries. In the case of the Moon and Neptune they are likely to be quite passive etc. Ok, but say they are an Aries Sun, or an Aries Rising at the same time.

Sure, that will shade in, and ultimately they will be a bit more balanced than someone with strong Moon or Neptune but with strong Pisces or Taurus, but very highlighted Planetary energy is stronger than Sign.

This whole strong emphasis on Sign this, Sign that, is a very modern convention that just did not exist in the ancient worlds and cultures. It also doesn't exist in the Cayce readings either interestingly. Cayce's guidance rarely talked about Signs and sometimes referred to them as the "wavering" indications/patterns. What does "Wavering" mean? It's a big clue.

Yet, time and time again, in Life Readings, they list a person's strongest Planets in order from strongest to less so. Indicating that it was these, far more than Signs, which connected to the deeper and more consistent CHARACTER parts of a person, rather than the wavering, personality parts that Signs correspond to. (Now, if you're all personality and have little connection to your deeper Soul self, then by all means, focus a lot more on the Signs).

It bears repeating, every Sign based research and study on astrology has failed miserably. Only study that ever showed statistical evidence supporting astrology, was Planetary based in relation to the Angles (and in relation to careers).

It really doesn't get more clear and concise than this in the more objective research field.

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posted November 03, 2019 05:37 PM            

That's funny, and yet quite apropos about the astro based merchandise. Yes, that particular combo of Planetary patterns would shift you to a more "Scorpio like" attunement all in all.

Scorpio Venus conjunct Scorp Pluto must be pretty intense? I have Aqua Venus almost exactly trine Libra Pluto (18 minutes applying separation), and I find that pretty intense and so I can't imagine your combo. I use to have a major crush on a woman who has as Scorpio Venus conjunct Scorpio Pluto conjunct my Scorp IC, but I didn't really get to know her that well or deeply, so I don't really know how that manifested other than she could be a bit obsessive in romance. She tried to seduce my partner off and on for a few years before she finally gave up and realized it just wasn't going to happen. I don't know if it relates, but her boyfriend at the time gave off strong psychopathic vibes. A salesman whose favorite pastime is killing animals. She was previously vegetarian, but he convinced her to eat meat more and more. He creeped both my partner and I out (and I have well developed psycho-dar having lived with a psychopathic step father for 11 years).

She has a lot of magnetism and charisma, and definitely is pretty sexually focused.