posted November 09, 2019 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I never really understood this. If the moon is supposed to be your "soul" it would make more sense if that was our sign. Not the Sun. Why do people call themselves whatever sign their Sun is instead of the Moon, which people say is the real you?

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posted November 11, 2019 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I never really understood this. If the moon is supposed to be your "soul" it would make more sense if that was our sign. Not the Sun. Why do people call themselves whatever sign their Sun is instead of the Moon, which people say is the real you?

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I don't know who says the above, but the astrologers that I grew up reading and initially listening to like Stephen Arroyo, Isabel M. Hickey, etc, did not ever say that the Moon represents the "real you". If anything, the Moon is related more to your wavering personality self along with the Ascendant Sign, than is the Sun and strongest Planet(s) which are related more to your deeper and more consistent character (the you when you are completely alone).

Think about the deeper symbolism of the actual bodies themselves. The Moon has no light of it's own, it only reflects the clear light of the Sun. However, the Moon in reflecting the light, does change it and soften it some. Notice how changeable the Moon appears to be to us, and contrast that with the Sun, which is steady, always pouring forth that same clear and intense light from it's very core, it's very essence.

The Moon is the part of us that likes to adapt to and is affected by, our outside surroundings. I have Libra Moon and when I was younger, I would notice that I would sometimes pick up some of the mannerisms of others when spending time with them. I use to be a classic people pleaser type, who very much wanted and "needed" (felt so at least) to be liked and accepted by others.

As I've gotten more intune with my Soul and even more so my Spirit level of self, I've grown away from that. I've become more a combo of Jupiter, Sun, and Capricorn--I care much less what others do or don't think of me, and try to live from my authentic core self more. I still consider the needs and feelings of others, and will bend when I feel it's the right thing to do, but not for the sole sake of being liked or accepted.

The Moon does in a sense relate to the Soul in the sense of it symbolizes a lot of that which is unconscious within us, but we not only have a Soul/subconscious mind, but we also have a Spirit/superconscious mind, and the latter is the most real and true version of us. To some or a large extent, this latter level of us is kind of beyond astrology, but a combo of our Sun and strongest Planets relate to it more than any other symbols. After all, the Sun represents Spirit more than any other symbol in our little system.

The Moon does relate to the more hidden and vulnerable parts of us, but that's because it relates more to the ego/personality level of self, the part of us that is more fearful. We hide only that which we are fearful of others knowing about. The more one attunes to and chooses to Love, the more and more fear lessens and the more you can and will be who you truly are. Most of us have had those dreams about being naked. For many, it's usually embarrassing or upsetting in some way. I've had naked dreams where I was completely fine with being naked in the dream. My partner has as well (she just recently had a dream with that being highlighted).

posted November 11, 2019 12:08 PM            

So astrologers often( with good intentions) try to simplify the study of the cosmos-so that its relatable

They use vague terms like "real you", "inner you", " shadow you" etc. And there can be great confusion (understandably) of which YOU is being referred to at any given point in time.

Are my blood vessels "more" me than my nails? Are my eyes the "real" me than my ears? Which part of me is "deceptive" ?And why is it necessary for it to be there if it is?

EVERY chart factor IS "the real you". You are a whole, multi-dimensional being that is limitless. And astrology tries to "explain" you to YOU as best it can. But you still disagree with it.Why? Because the interpretations are never exhausted. Because you know that you are intricately more layered than any feeble collection of words would ever try to define.

From a starting level, most people will isolate certain parts of themselves-as if fragmented. Mostly this is to emphasize those parts that they/society "agrees" with i.e I am Cancer.But I am emotional at all. Nor do I like my family. Who said Cancer energy was exclusive to just that?

Some isolate those traits that they affirm "non relation" to i.e there's no way I am Gemini. I am alot more deeper in my feelings etc. Who said Gemini is a robot with surface level feelings?

Interpretations are just that..."interpeted". So they are NOT and will never be the whole story. Its an attempt to organize ib a systematic way what makes sense. That is all.And many times they fail at even that.

I say your chart is like "junk DNA". Its not "junk".You've just yet to be introduced to it or internalize it for yourself. And so YOU are ALL of it or you are NOTHING i.e Not one thing.

You are your Asc,Sun,Moon, Venus,Mars...etc. Trying to have certain aspects of you "compete" with each other for the "real you" to emerge , is flawed thinking.

posted November 11, 2019 01:07 PM            

The physical body is represented by the Ascendant Sign, the Moon represents the etheric body/level, and Saturn the concentrated fears and ego.

All originally started in Source, in pure Spirit. But through limited use of freewill, reflection/refracted levels got temporarily manifested.

These got increasingly slower vibratory (i.e. less and less attuned to pure Love) in nature until the physical level was manifested, which is one of the slowest vibratory levels (but which includes levels of which most of us are not consciously aware of i.e. there are slower vibratory levels of the physical than what we and most of us experience in this particular level of the physical, these even slower vibratory levels are correlated with Saturn, Mars, and at times Pluto).

The "real you" is the Spirit level of self, which is closest to the Source. These do all have their relative corollaries in astrological symbolism.

While the Ascendant SIGN represents the physical body, the East-West and North-South axes have a deeper meaning as well. These are where "Heaven meets the Earth", and thus, in a Planetary sense, represent our Soul, which is why Cayce's guidance focused so much on Planetary strengths, which are so related to these 4 points.

Because the Moon correlates a lot with the part of us that is more fear attuned, it is, in a lot of ways, less "real" than the core, original you, which relates more to the strongest Planets and the Solar parts. Real vs unreal is defined in the sense of how temporary or not, and how aligned with Source and Love or not.

I guarantee that most of you when you drop the body physical, much of the fears and worries that you have while connected to a body and in this very slow vibratory level, will drop away, and you will be far more attuned to your Soul self. But, as mentioned, there is even a deeper and more real layer of you that we can call your Spirit, and out of all our symbols of our little system, the Sun represents that level.

I had a very powerful dream many years ago. I was outside meditating while looking at the Sun (eyes open), as I went deeper within, seemingly paradoxically I started to merge with the Sun. At first it was frightening because I was expanding so fast and so much, that I felt like I would be blasted completely apart and would cease existing. But something within told me to allow it, and so rather than resisting, I opened up to it, and while I expanded tremendously, I/my unique self awareness survived, but was a much more aware and expanded version of myself. Notice I was looking at the Sun while going deeply within...

With all the above said, it also does one no good to repress or suppress one's more temporary aspects and levels of self if they are not causing harm to others. Suppression and repression can cause more harm than good in the long term. The more consciously aware and accepting of all parts and levels of self, the better for us and for others.

posted November 11, 2019 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Most people when they start learning astrology, want the simple route.They don't have time to learn the intricacies.

So astrologers often( with good intentions) try to simplify the study of the cosmos-so that its relatable

They use vague terms like "real you", "inner you", " shadow you" etc. And there can be great confusion (understandably) of which YOU is being referred to at any given point in time.

Are my blood vessels "more" me than my nails? Are my eyes the "real" me than my ears? Which part of me is "deceptive" ?And why is it necessary for it to be there if it is?

EVERY chart factor IS "the real you". You are a whole, multi-dimensional being that is limitless. And astrology tries to "explain" you to YOU as best it can. But you still disagree with it.Why? Because the interpretations are never exhausted. Because you know that you are intricately more layered than any feeble collection of words would ever try to define.

From a starting level, most people will isolate certain parts of themselves-as if fragmented. Mostly this is to emphasize those parts that they/society "agrees" with i.e I am Cancer.But I am emotional at all. Nor do I like my family. Who said Cancer energy was exclusive to just that?

Some isolate those traits that they affirm "non relation" to i.e there's no way I am Gemini. I am alot more deeper in my feelings etc. Who said Gemini is a robot with surface level feelings?

Interpretations are just that..."interpeted". So they are NOT and will never be the whole story. Its an attempt to organize ib a systematic way what makes sense. That is all.And many times they fail at even that.

I say your chart is like "junk DNA". Its not "junk".You've just yet to be introduced to it or internalize it for yourself. And so YOU are ALL of it or you are NOTHING i.e Not one thing.

You are your Asc,Sun,Moon, Venus,Mars...etc. Trying to have certain aspects of you "compete" with each other for the "real you" to emerge , is flawed thinking.

My skin can't "compete" with my hair for the "true" identity of me. Because it is ALL me. ALL is me and I am what you say I am AS well as what you say I am not. I am.

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posted November 11, 2019 04:16 PM            

Moon gets its light from the Sun and represents the subjective, internal aspect of self, a more transient, variable expression of soul (sun:moon) affected by memory and more easily patterned. All this is quite evident by observing Moon's closer relationship with Earth and more varied path. Sun's path is quite steady, not changeable at all.

So your question reflects a reductionism. Keep in mind Moon reflects the light of the Sun, helps light the way in the dark of night: intuition, going more by feel than by clear vision. Moon's place/condition in your birth horoscope shows how you go about that.

posted November 11, 2019 10:47 PM            

Wow that was very informative! You explained things very well. I didn't think of it that way. I still have a hard time understanding exactly what people mean by "subconscious". It's a concept Im still not completely understanding of.

posted November 11, 2019 10:59 PM            

Oh my gosh you explained so beautifully. The metaphors you used make sense. I didn't think of it that way. Wow so many people on here are such deep thinkers It's open my mind to different perspectives.
"Are my blood vessels "more" me than my nails? Are my eyes the "real" me than my ears? Which part of me is "deceptive" ?And why is it necessary for it to be there if it is?"

posted November 11, 2019 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Because what's precious, valuable... is always hidden and protected inside somehow, like, the banana is what's inside the peel, the brain is protected by one of the thickest bones in the body, walnuts are contained in shells... ?
I don't know, I think your question makes sense (but then, why wouldn't the rising be the real deal?), but it also makes sense to me that the moon would be the moon and the sun the sun the way they are 😊

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posted November 11, 2019 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
lucky for me my moon and sun are conjunct :-) I strongly identify with pisces, lol

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posted November 12, 2019 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Love aye ? My experience says that until u bring out ur sword and chop few heads off, they don't fcking get it!!! I don't feel like using my sword most of the time, you know a bit of gentleness and affection, but nah, sword it is in the end A state of humanity perhaps, or maybe just a liking for sword in my case, love is a difficult path aye, u gotta love the thorns along with the roses, after a while of getting the thorns I'm like enuf !!! *draws

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Fight or flight is a pretty common reaction in humans based on fear. Eventually a Soul reaches a point where it learns to if not "love" the thorns, at least accept their necessity for growth, balance, and purification in the life.

But I suspect you like the sword a bit more than most presently.

posted November 12, 2019 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Fight or flight is a pretty common reaction in humans based on fear. Eventually a Soul reaches a point where it learns to if not "love" the thorns, at least accept their necessity for growth, balance, and purification in the life.

But I suspect you like the sword a bit more than most presently.

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Not really, I'm actually switching them both at present and seeing which fits me better, but yeah I do agree, acceptance is necessary.

posted November 12, 2019 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Haha yeah I wonder why the rising isn't the "main sign" as well since that is really like the outer shell in a sense

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