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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted November 15, 2019 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What would you expect to see, or have noticed in a natives chart, a person who values money above all?

Someone who would sell their soul, risk their life, and who loves money more than anything?

Besides every under 30 year old hip hop/rap artists who love to sing and hold onto wads of cash up to show the world their materialism..

What am I missing? And In saying that, what would you expect to see in a chart of a person, who doesn't care about money/possessions?

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posted November 16, 2019 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 16, 2019 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at trump. Look at his family members. I don't know if you can put it down to charts. Sometimes it's nature versus nurture, sometimes it's just who they are. You can have two very different people, born around the same time, on the same day.

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posted November 17, 2019 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I looked up Trump then looked up Bill Gates, both have Jupiter in 2H. Although I wouldn't put Gates in the sell your soul catergory...

Thought I'd take a look at Madam Heidi Fleiss... Moon in the second house.. This is the placement I'd would expect to see in someone who loves money above all..

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posted November 17, 2019 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
What would you expect to see, or have noticed in a natives chart, a person who values money above all?

Someone who would sell their soul, risk their life, and who loves money more than anything?

Besides every under 30 year old hip hop/rap artists who love to sing and hold onto wads of cash up to show the world their materialism..

What am I missing? And In saying that, what would you expect to see in a chart of a person, who doesn't care about money/possessions?


Someone who would sell their soul for money? Wow!

Do you mean someone who is ABSOLUTELY goal oriented to the core? Someone who can "diversify"their moral compass for the overall objectives(whether monetary or otherwise) to be achieved?

Sun,Venus,Mars/Moon/Merc in Cap.
Ic,2nd/3rd/6th house in Cap
Saturn/Sun-Moon-Ven-Merc-Mars,

I find this energy can be very calculating & can have their resolve towards meeting a goal be so strong, that it may be interpreted as "selling your soul to the devil".

This is because there is very little emotional persuasion /"swaying" that can distract them from that goal.They will achieve it-come rain or sunshine.Even if it has people judge them as "amoral".

If cerebral Gemini is mixed in there-by perhaps Sun,Moon,Merc,Ven or Mars position, they may not understand why people get so "hot under the collar" about their tactics? i.e "It's business, not personal".

Cap/Gem mix energy may be the type that is termed "ruthless" really. Gemini looks for shortcuts and Cap is intent on "success"-whatever that quantifies to be.

Someone who may risk their life for money? This sounds more like Mars/Pluto/Scorp/Aries and even Uranus/Aqua.

Aries/Mars finds satisfaction in achieving something tangible even through doing something dangerous. There is an attraction to doing something that gets their heart pumping.And its not always about tye money-even if that is the eventual "gain".

Aqua/Uranus likes changing conditions-even risky ones. So they are likely to be stimulated by challenges(not always necessarily strictly a "search" for danger) and can find themselves in life threatening situations habitually.

Pluto/Mars/Scorpio may work in sensitive conditions or situations where life can be threatened. The relationship that Scorpio has with life and death is "What's the use of living , if you don't feel alive!" So perhaps its not always for money.But more for the visceral feeling of blood pumping through their veins. And if they gain money as a result of that.So be it.

It would be interesting to study the charts of people who are part of S.W.O.T teams, the Bomb Squad, Kidnappings and recovery teams, Bounty hunters, People who work with dangerous chemicals in labs,Scientists who invent and/or test weapons etc. As these people I would bet would have the above placements either as Sun/Moon/Ven/Mars/Ic or the 2nd/6th house.

Interesting to note that multiple champion race car driver-Michaal Schumacher- has Mars in Scorpio.Add to that, Mars in Scorpio is in the 6th house(work that has an element of danger),Uranus square Moon(being comfortable with uncertainty) and Venus in Aqua(love of the unconventional).

He got paid a lot of money for his job.But I am certain it wasn't all about the money for him. He sincerely loved what he was doing. Even though it was quite dangerous.

Someone who loves money more than anything? Well that would likely be Taurus energy. People who seem to want materialism and want to be surrounded by luxury etc.

Taurus Ic/Taurus 2nd, Taurus Moon, Taurus Venus, Taurus Mars("She works hard for the money). Whilst Taurus 3rd has money on their mind, Taurus 6th may be looking for that big- paying job.

Tau 7th may have a partner bring out the "material girl" in them. Whilst 8th house Taurus could link a stable income/wealth to sexual "potency" i.e a person who has monetary resources to do some pretty marvelous things,is arousing to them.

Those who don't care much for money(beyond the provision of the necessities to live) I will come back & continue with.

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posted November 17, 2019 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like Mayweather thing to do, but dude has absolutely boxed his socks off for it too, so he can show them off all he likes even if he can't read. He, funnily, happens to be a Pisces Sun, can you fookin beliv it!?? (in Connor's words)

Now, I am not big on money, but if someone has absolutely earned it, I don't mind them throwing it off on someone else's face (or So happens to say my Venus conjunct Saturn), I'm a bit of a lazy wad myself tho (Venus trine Jupiter), money happens to be, easy come easy go!!!

I personally am highly goal-oriented, even if the goal might not be money, and yeah, sometimes juggling between choosing between others and the goal can be tough.

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posted November 17, 2019 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Those who don't care much for money(beyond the provision of the necessities to live) I will come back & continue with.


This would be my Taurus Dad. He likes things that are made well, and nice, but he doesn't live for material things, at all. He's a hard worker, who, when we are passed by an ambulance (as we were tonight), or hear sirens, he says, "well, we're having a better day than someone." He's a good-hearted man who helps people whenever he can, and gives money to the people who stand at the side of the street, holding signs, even when we can't afford it.

Trump rewarded people on his show, who stole from the opposing team, because they got the job done. And I could list so much more, but I won't. I feel like I'm forgetting someone obvious.

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posted November 17, 2019 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Ehh, its a ******* show at the end of the day, not the end of the world. You wanna win or you wanna play fair?

Funny thing is, Hillary still couldn't win that election even if she sold her soul for it, see not even selling of the soul gets things done sometimes, maybe Trump wasn't right to reward them afterall.

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posted November 17, 2019 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like to spend and I like to save. Some people prefer one over the other.

I also value my time a lot, while still wanting my financial independence. There are certain things I refuse to spend money on because I value my time so much more. For example if my money was super tight, I would rather stop going shopping for new clothes than get a second job.
Reality is I do not have a lot of free time right now. So I do not feel bad for taking my clothes to the dry cleaners. I will tell myself "I have money, I don't have time."

I will not go into debt to impress others. So people will assume I am living paycheck to pay check since I do not own a house yet. It's the people my age that own a house that are drowning in debt. But no one treats them like it since they keep up the appearance. I get so peeved when people try to assume they know my financial situation, and try to get in my business. I will stick up for myself. And say I CAN go to this nice restaurant because I stay home and cook most of the time. (I don't p!ss away my money fast food like the average American.
I EARNED THIS 5 star restaurant. So go stick you nose in your own daughter's finances. With their college debt, and constant take out food for dinner. )

I have Jupiter in house 2, Mercury Taurus, Uranus and Neptune house 8, Capricorn Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. And Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto.

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posted November 19, 2019 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate money. Truly hate it. I despise capitalism like nothing else. I detest money and the love of it with my whole soul.

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posted November 19, 2019 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
I hate money. Truly hate it. I despise capitalism like nothing else. I detest money and the love of it with my whole soul.

A big plus 1 to the above, though I have some of the patterns that Aries23Degrees outlined. Sun and Merc. in Capricorn, Capricorn 6th cusp, late Virgo Saturn conjunct Libra Moon in the 2nd.

I do think money can be used for good though, and in those (rarish) cases, it's a constructive tool, but it rarely seems to be used that way in this world. Sometimes it appears so, but that can also be manipulation and image projection (cough, Gates comes to mind).

We have to look deeper in the chart and past the over focused on signs to understand this topic better. If I didn't have such a strong attunement to Jupiter, Neptune, and Uranus, I probably would be a lot more money focused than I am, but these are not of the earthy earth and Planetary energies are often quite a bit stronger than Sign indications.

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posted November 21, 2019 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees

If cerebral Gemini is mixed in there-by perhaps Sun,Moon,Merc,Ven or Mars position, they may not understand why people get so "hot under the collar" about their tactics? i.e "It's business, not personal".

Cap/Gem mix energy may be the type that is termed "ruthless" really. Gemini looks for shortcuts and Cap is intent on "success"-whatever that quantifies to be.


I think with mutable signs they can change if life events unfold.

I've always considered my Cancer Sun Aries mother as ruthless, she's the type of person that whould cut back on anything to save a dollar even if it risks someones life.

Laugh away it actually happened, I just wasn't in the car when she decided to cut back on certain repairs.

I've seen so many instances of her ruthlessness coming back on her from a karma perspective that is it really worth it?

What your gaining in the short term will be equal to the costs you will loss in the longterm, sometimes even more.

You might get away with it once when your stuck in a jamm. ....but it doesn't mean you'll get a way with it the next time if it turns into a habit.


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posted November 21, 2019 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moonbeth, would you post your chart?

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posted November 21, 2019 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why does the 6th House have to do with being money hungry? I know someone who has Sun conjunct Mercury in Taurus in 6th house and it seems money is all he cares about.

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posted November 21, 2019 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Why does the 6th House have to do with being money hungry? I know someone who has Sun conjunct Mercury in Taurus in 6th house and it seems money is all he cares about.

6th house is associated with work. You work to make money. Sun in 6th means work is important to your sense of identity. Maybe, in his situation work really means money, and Mercury/Sun - his brain aligns with his ego.

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posted November 22, 2019 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Moonbeth, would you post your chart?

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posted November 23, 2019 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ar
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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I think with mutable signs they can change if life events unfold.

I've always considered my Cancer Sun Aries moon as ruthless, she's the type of person that whould cut back on anything to save a dollar even if it risks someones life.

Laugh away it actually happened, I just wasn't in the car when she decided to cut back on certain repairs.

I've seen so many instances of her ruthlessness coming back on her from a karma perspective that is it really worth it?

What your gaining in the short term will be equal to the costs you will loss in the longterm, sometimes even more.

You might get away with it once when your stuck in a jamm. ....but it doesn't mean you'll get a way with it the next time if it turns into a habit.


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Is Venus conj Saturn in your chart? Coz that "cut back even if it kills stuff", sounds very Venus-Saturn. Typically in extreme Scorpio.Perhaps with added Pluto aspects to exacerbate that extreme? Saturn is always minimalism and cutting back. Scorpio is extremes either way.

Cancer can have up/down spending habits-depending on the mood. And if in aspect to Mars and with the Aries Moon, they are likely sporadic.One saves to spend in a cycle-typically on home related stuff.

#why do you say Cancer Sun instead of Gem Sun when your signature says otherwise?

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posted November 23, 2019 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
I hate money. Truly hate it. I despise capitalism like nothing else. I detest money and the love of it with my whole soul.

i know you posted your chart.But I can't see it from the device I am using.

So i wonder if you have Scorpio in 2nd house cusp/Pluto there?

I have extreme feelings about money.My Venus is in Scorpio conj Sat in Sco.

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posted November 23, 2019 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She doesn't Aries, her 2h is ruled by Virgo with Mercury in Libra. Her Pluto in in Scorpio in her 3H..

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posted November 23, 2019 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Ar Is Venus conj Saturn in your chart? Coz that "cut back even if it kills stuff", sounds very Venus-Saturn. Typically in extreme Scorpio.Perhaps with added Pluto aspects to exacerbate that extreme? Saturn is always minimalism and cutting back. Scorpio is extremes either way.

Cancer can have up/down spending habits-depending on the mood. And if in aspect to Mars and with the Aries Moon, they are likely sporadic.One saves to spend in a cycle-typically on home related stuff.

#why do you say Cancer Sun instead of Gem Sun when your signature says otherwise?


Thanks...I'm a Aries Moon as I didn't proof read...very fast hurry.

Auto correct change "Moon" instead of "Mother".

It should have read Mother not moon.

It's my mother I'm referring to she is a cheap a$$ and is ruthless with money.

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posted November 23, 2019 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
She doesn't Aries, her 2h is ruled by Virgo with Mercury in Libra. Her Pluto in in Scorpio in her 3H..

Oh ok. Thanks TaurusVenusGirl.

Could the Pluto 3H be influencing her extreme reaction to money? 3h is thought patterns and written/verbal expression.Hmmm....

When people use the word "hate" or "detest", I smell Pluto/Mars,Aries or Scorpio strong feelings. Sometimes even Mercury/Sun/Moon/Venus in aspect to Mars or Pluto.

But then again there is that Mercury in Libra which may view money as the source of all disharmony and imbalance in society etc.

Libra being the sign of justice certainly is not positively predisposed to things that wreak unfairness/inequality i.e.the poor living off scraps vs. the rich living off mansions etc. With Mercury in Libra there, they can be faultfinding and critical of that.

I wish I could see the chart though.Oh but its cool

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posted November 23, 2019 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Thanks...I'm a Aries Moon as I didn't proof read...very fast hurry.

Auto correct change "Moon" instead of "Mother".

It should have read Mother not moon.

It's my mother I'm referring to she is a cheap a$$ and is ruthless with money.

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Oh so she is the Cancer Sun. I would look at aspects to Moon/Mercury/Ven tbh.

Saturn on them or Pluto could produce certain feelings.

Saturn says "I must save.I am going to run out".

Pluto may intensify the fear of poverty on one hand. Or increase sporadic spending on the other. Its a planet of extremes.

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posted November 23, 2019 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonbeth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
i know you posted your chart.But I can't see it from the device I am using.

So i wonder if you have Scorpio in 2nd house cusp/Pluto there?

I have extreme feelings about money.My Venus is in Scorpio conj Sat in Sco.


Nope, my 2nd is Libra then Virgo, no interception, with mercury in it.

Pluto is in my 3rd, not on the cusp. But moon Pluto square remember? I guess you never know how sensitive and intense I'll feel about anything really 😂😊

You certainly have a winner with me about my mercury viewing disharmony poorly, but as I've said at the core I abhor the love of money, precisely because money doesn't exist, so my wrath really is for the people who put that made up paper before human and animal lives. When you can see the chart I'd be curious to know how strong you see my mercury, I've always thought of it as quite weak because Saturn in my 3rd feels mentally contrieving. There is also a lot of charity and sharing attitudes in my culture and that Virgo heart is a bleeding one, so the roots of my adult feelings about capitalism aren't money or intellectually based, they're all about very practical observation and feelings.

And while I use strong words, I don't actually feel them, it's very much an opinion, so it's not hot or current, when people flaunt their love of money it doesn't anger me, I get bored and take my leave and judge too lol they don't get to approach my life again.

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posted November 28, 2019 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 09, 2019 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was looking at my Boss's chart.

His dream is to have everyone on a low rate.. $25 an hour!! (That's a low hourly rate in Australia) He has health professionals working for him who have student loans of 100k to pay off!! He wants to keep 75% of the profits and then pay the workers the rest.

The administration staff are not paid well and have more qualifications doing work above what they are paid.

He really loves his money. I told him this when I looked at his chart, he was trying to turn it around and say "but don't you?" I replied yes, but he was "extra" about making, thinking, breathing money.

He has moon in his 2 house too..

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