posted November 17, 2019 07:22 PM            

Is the Pullen chart not an accurate reflection of your dominant signs/planets considering it doesn’t take into account declinations?

posted November 18, 2019 02:57 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Simple question. Kannon would love your input.

Is the Pullen chart not an accurate reflection of your dominant signs/planets considering it doesn’t take into account declinations?

E.g I have Jup tightly parallel my sun/Venus/mercury. But in the Pullen chart it is number 5. But I do feel very Jupiter-like. I have venus and Jupiter in my 9th too. Jupiter trines Uranus/ASC, square pluto.

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posted November 18, 2019 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Simple question. Kannon would love your input.

Is the Pullen chart not an accurate reflection of your dominant signs/planets considering it doesn’t take into account declinations?

E.g I have Jup tightly parallel my sun/Venus/mercury. But in the Pullen chart it is number 5. But I do feel very Jupiter-like. I have venus and Jupiter in my 9th too. Jupiter trines Uranus/ASC, square pluto.

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posted November 18, 2019 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I think that when you have a planet in it's correlating sign/house it makes it more powerful.
Like in your instance you feel very Jupiter like. The 9th house is ruled by Jupiter, so it's at home there.

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Yeah I think so too!

posted November 19, 2019 03:07 AM            

Yes, you've given a good example of why I preach declinations here, there, and everywhere, and why astrologers with notoriety like Walter Pullen should listen. I interacted with him a while back on reddit and he's off on some technical tangents that I have no use for and have little or no relevance to you, me or the average astrology user. And typically like intelelctual mathematical men his ego over-estimates how much astrology he understands. However, he has updated his freeware Astrolog software which already includes declinations (go to edit menu and click command line, enter: /sr). It's a nice piece of freeware and also now includes other features like topocentric positions. So I endorse it wholeheartedly as a lean and quick program that lacks only visual prettiness (not a problem in my book).

The underlying problem with notions of planetary dominance or strength is also that western astrologers associate it merely with sign placement (dignities) or aspects. There are at least two layers of it: the primary influence of a planet or planets in your current personality/incarnation, and the built-up strength from the subtler factors tapped into by Vedic Shadbala.

I have Saturn conjunct/parallel Sun, trine Asc & Moon. Yet Saturn is the weakest planet overall in my chart, Jupiter stronger, in spite of the fact I'm a rather Saturnine personality. In other words, it is possible to 'feel' the planet's energy as if it were strong yet other planetary energies are stronger by deeper integration of their energies. The planetary energies that become truly integrated in soul development are no longer felt as strong, but are melded into the unspoken identity rather than something specifically felt or 'added to'.

So this is why there is confusion between notions of dominant planets and planetary strength as seen in ratings systems like Vedic Shadbala. These shallower western notions will often rate an asteroid as stronger than a planet (not possible), a planet in dignity by sign automatically stronger than one in exaltation or one strengthened by aspects or directional placement.

Both types of systems have their drawbacks and imperfections. Vedic astrology includes declinations in Shadbala calculations, but in the most asinine, cursory way. However, the Pullen ratings are the most misleading and least useful feature at Astrodienst.

posted November 19, 2019 03:38 AM            

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declinations in Shadbala calculations, but in the most asinine, cursory way.

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posted November 19, 2019 03:41 AM            

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The planetary energies that become truly integrated in soul development are no longer felt as strong, but are melded into the unspoken identity rather than something specifically felt or 'added to'.

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posted November 19, 2019 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
What are the drawbacks of Vedic Kannon ? I wanna know.

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posted November 19, 2019 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
typically like intelelctual mathematical men his ego over-estimates how much astrology he understands.

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Everytime someone verbalises that phenomenon I feel less lonely and stronger

posted November 27, 2019 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
What are the drawbacks of Vedic Kannon ? I wanna know.

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I'm not really the person to give an authoritative answer to that as I have not studied Vedic overall enough and am not well enough acquainted with enough of a variety of Vedic astrologers. However, it does seem to me so far that Vedic practitioners tend to have some of the same tendencies as western/modern astrologers: not leaving enough room for free will and over-emphasizing prediction (and the astrologer as a result). With Vedic, though, there are streaks of old world superstition.

And of course, being very traditional, Vedic does not make use of the three outer planets. That leaves a huge hole.

posted November 27, 2019 07:42 PM            

Good to know

I am the first man to say women typically are more natural as astrologers. It requires a natural acceptance of intuition with an open mind, two things I've struggled with in my own way, but which my life has required of me.

I'm kinda picking on Pullen a bit as an example of male intellectual ego when I could just as easily point out a number of men, even those who have been positive influences in my study and practice (like John Willner, Larry Ely).

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
... Could it also be a thing that regardless of the weight a planet, stellium, house had in a chart (declinations included), the endgame would also be defined by how life has activated those energies within the person?

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Yes! That's exactly where free will comes in as a person responds in little choices that accumulate over time in response to their life challenges and desires for growth.

posted November 27, 2019 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
What is the best source out there to calculate dominate signs/planets?

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For the traditional 7 planets only, Vedic Shadbala composite rating system. It's not perfect, but it is more reliable than anything I've seen. You can access it by downloading the Vedic freeware Jagannatha Hora. Enter data for an accurate chart and click on the "Strengths" tab to see the Shadbala graph.

posted November 27, 2019 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'm not really the person to give an authoritative answer to that as I have not studied Vedic overall enough and am not well enough acquainted with enough of a variety of Vedic astrologers. However, it does seem to me so far that Vedic practitioners tend to have some of the same tendencies as western/modern astrologers: not leaving enough room for free will and over-emphasizing prediction (and the astrologer as a result). With Vedic, though, there are streaks of old world superstition.

And of course, being very traditional, Vedic does not make use of the three outer planets. That leaves a huge hole.

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I've read that the outers lie beyond the boundary lines of what do you call it idk, the configuration of the zodiac, so they are not included in it.

posted November 28, 2019 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Has anyone tried the software? It's apparently not compatible with Macbook.

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