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Topic: What truly glues: Saturn DW
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Hikaru29
Knowflake Posts: 2205
From: Asia
Registered: Nov 2018
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posted November 21, 2019 03:04 AM
  
Whenever I see a couple who go through all kinds of r/s challenges but still stay together, I go to their Synastry to see what could be causing this 'glue' and I always found that they have their Saturn in major aspect to each other's personal planets in DW (e.g. his Saturn trine her Moon + her Saturn square his Moon or his Saturn conjunct her Sun + her Saturn sextile his Sun, or Saturn to each other's Venus or to a lesser occurrence, Mercury & Mars). And these contacts are all in DWs, not just one way. And it seems to me that you need only 1 pair of such DWs for the Saturn glue to really stick. I'm not sure if it works the same way if you have 1 major aspect combine with 1 minor aspect. I've not observed this e.g. but I've observed that if the DW is both in minor aspects, it doesn't glue as with the e.g. of my friend and her ex... on/off for 1+yrs until an eventual break over nothing. I also checked Synastry Saturn to angles but this doesn't really stand out to me. Some of those long-term relationships have this contact, some don't. I also noticed that even if you have a Saturn strong composite but your synastry doesn't have any Saturn DWs, the glue may not be strong enough, e.g. my first r/s which was short-lived despite cSaturn aspecting Moon/Venus/Mars but we've no DWs in Synastry. Also my friend's last r/s - Saturn conj Sun/Mars in their composite but they don't have any Saturn DWs in Synastry and the r/s only lasted 3 months. Did you notice this in your long-term r/s or those that didn't last despite your best efforts to make it work? IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
Knowflake Posts: 8016
From: South Africa
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted November 21, 2019 05:49 AM
I guess it makes sense since Saturn is the ruler of commitment & is therefore exalted in contract governing 7th house.But I see Saturn as more guilt-ridden than loving. More " I made a promise" than "I choose to do this" etc.So through hardships, people bound by Saturn tend to endure to face the end goal in mind(honoring a promise) than pure love. Perhaps love is a part of honoring a promise? I can't say for sure. All I know about Sat is that it feels burdensome and limiting before it feels joyful. With Saturn in 7th or on Venus for instance,you learn to work within the scraps that "love" gives you.Its painful long before it starts to feel good i.e you marry someone who doesn't love you or You them. But over time, you learn to deal because you feel "bound" to them as they to you. So DW's tend to emphasize this. It feels more like a business contract than a love relationship. A contract drawn by Kronos himself. Its DIFFICULT to break. IP: Logged |
margym0o
Knowflake Posts: 1227
From: The Great White North
Registered: Jul 2014
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posted November 21, 2019 09:32 AM
I tend to disagree, with Saturn being crucial to long-term relationships/marriages. At least in synastry. I'm sure statistically if you look at the charts of couples who have divorced, 9/10 times there is Saturn contact somewhere, but it has fallen apart in other unfulfilled areas. In my own personal life, I have had long-term relationships end with significant Saturn contacts, whereas my longest/most significant relationship now has only minor Saturn contact in our synastry, but strong Saturn trines in our composite. Is that the glue keeping us together? I think there is more to it than that. As Aries alluded to, strong Saturn contact can feel heavy, burdensome, like you "have" to be together...especially if there isn't enough other positive contact balancing it out. I think if the relationship is compelling enough to want to stay in because you truly enjoy being with them, and the willingness is there to work through any challenges that arise, you don't necessarily NEED Saturn to go the distance. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion
Knowflake Posts: 517
From: Somewhere
Registered: Sep 2019
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posted November 21, 2019 09:46 AM
It's probably obvious, but what do you mean by "DW"? IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
Knowflake Posts: 2205
From: Asia
Registered: Nov 2018
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posted November 21, 2019 09:50 AM
I don't mean Saturn is unbreakable. What I mean is when you see a Saturn double whammy in Synastry, it usually takes a lot to break the couple. It could be like what Aries23 said, a sense of duty bound them, or in some cases, fear bounds them. I cannot assume there's no love. We have to look at the whole chart. Also just to clarify... if you have lotsa other nice things going on in Synastry, of course no problem staying together (lol). What I've highlighted is how Saturn DW works its "glue" in challenging relationships. Whether this is good or bad or whether this is love is not my point. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
Knowflake Posts: 2205
From: Asia
Registered: Nov 2018
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posted November 21, 2019 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
It's probably obvious, but what do you mean by "DW"?
Double whammy. And btw, I'm highlighting specifically DWs in synastry, not just having Saturn contacts in synastry which is EXTREMELY common. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion
Knowflake Posts: 517
From: Somewhere
Registered: Sep 2019
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posted November 21, 2019 10:32 AM
Ah, thank you for the explanation. My core partner and I of 18+ years have some Saturn stuff going on. Saturn is the ruler of her chart via late Cap ASC, and is very closely conjunct Jupiter in Libra. That conjunction is conjunct my Moon (ruler of the 12th). My Saturn is trine her Ascendant and in her 8th. Not in aspect, but my Saturn is in the opposite sign of her Mercury (ruler of 5th) and Mars (ruler of 3rd and 10th). Saturn is a sensitive/receptive point in my chart since it 's the faster moving ruler of my Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Descendant Signs. But we also have a lot of Venus, Sun, Ascendant/Descendant, Jupiter, Moon, Nodal, Mars, etc, stuff also going on. It's a pretty all 5 level/7 center connection. It's one of those relationships that only death shall do us part, but not even really that. If my body passes before hers (and she has had multiple dreams of this), then I will still look out for her. IP: Logged |
manymoones
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Registered: Aug 2018
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posted November 21, 2019 01:52 PM
My husband’s Saturn is on my NN/Venus and my NN is on his Saturn/Mercury. In late degree Capricorn (26-30 degrees) I have Saturn, Venus, and NN. He has NN, Mercury, Saturn. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
Moderator Posts: 4093
From: Portland, OR - USA
Registered: Oct 2011
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posted November 21, 2019 03:30 PM
You know where synastry talk goes ... Moving this to Interpersonal Astrology. ------------------
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