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kani
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posted November 21, 2019 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do take friendships seriously as in :

1. I listen when my friends need my advice and I give it to them (it usually doesn't happen vice versa that often because I m independent (or arrogant haha) enough to sort my stuff out on my own

2. I help when they ask me to (when and if I can help with that particular issue)

3. maybe the most important thing: I keep my word and I hate it when someone doesn't. That person will then lose friend status very quickly (especially if that "word" was important to me).

what in someone's chart would indicate this?

I would think we should look at houses 3 and 11 (maybe 11 more than 3) and both houses are filled with Earth signs in my case. house 3 is Virgo and House 11 is Taurus. Maybe that makes me that "rigid" with friendships? What do you think?

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posted November 21, 2019 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to suck at keeping "words", I give a week at max.

I dont listen to my friend's advices, cuz I know they blabber **** , okay half are **** , others are deliberately made-up garbage especially designed by them for me.

I do help them, if I can, and they help too, if they can, but we do not carry these "expectations" that the other person will help them no matter what, and I'm grateful to them for that.

Funnily I has Chiron in 11th , in Virgo.

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posted November 21, 2019 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I tend to suck at keeping "words", I give a week at max.

I dont listen to my friend's advices, cuz I know they blabber **** , okay half are **** , others are deliberately made-up garbage especially designed by them for me.

I do help them, if I can, and they help too, if they can, but we do not carry these "expectations" that the other person will help them no matter what, and I'm grateful to them for that.

Funnily I has Chiron in 11th , in Virgo.


"we do not carry these "expectations" that the other person will help them no matter what, and I'm grateful to them for that.
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Neither do I. Like I said, I help if and when I can I dont usually ask for help myself anyway because I m an arrogant know-it-all

As for keeping the word. I'm quite reliable myself and if I say I'll do something - I will (unless something really important comes in the way). I m not like that with everyone, just with people I care about and I expect them to keep their word as well. For example: check my mailbox for important letters and letting me know about them while I m gone. I once had someone forgetting to do this (even though he promised) and I lost my residence permit this way.

I have Chiron in 11 as well funnily enough.

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posted November 21, 2019 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I'd be pjssed abt that too. Someone close recently cost me a client by what I suspect was jealousy on their part, granted that I should have communicated with the client later, instead of just dropping them off on it, but it does pjss me off when "friends" deliberately sabotage ur stuff. My sword is not that sharp these days, its a shame.

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posted November 21, 2019 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer/Moon on 11th house cusp,ruler of Ic in 11th ,Sat/Uranus in 4th or Moon in aspect to 11th house ruler/Moon in Aqua/Cap-tends to make friends a part of their family or are considered to be a chosen "extended" family.

These people expect their friends to take care of them or be there for them like family.Or they play the "mom" role(even males)to their friends in some way definitive or influential.

Trust/loyalty is BIG, otherwise they get pushed out the trust circle.And Vin Diesel's character on the 1st "Fast and the Furious" movie, was the sort of "mother hen" role to the circle of people in that group that I speak of.

They all didn't want to disappoint him and even Chris' character knew he had to get very close to Vin to be able to penetrate(pun intended lol) the inner circle of trust.

Interestingly,I think pledge houses in college/varsities, secret societies as well as street gangs are of the same mentality.Your group becomes your "family" i.e "the sisterhood" or "the brotherhood." etc. You are bonded together by loyalty through blood rituals or initiations.

Leo/Sun on the 11th house cusp,Aqu Sun,Sat in Leo, Aqu/Sat/Uranus on the 5th house cusp-Someone whose sense of purpose in life,sense of fulfillment or point of expansion is tied up to the people they associate with. Or they find great joy of expression as being part of a group

Taurus on the 11th house cusp,Aqua/Ura/Sat in 2nd, Ven in Aqua,Ven/Ura,Ven/Sat aspect,Sat in Tau,Ura in Tau- The value system is attached to associations.The friends provide a sense of stability for the native or the native provides stability to friends.

Cap/Sat on the 11th house cusp, Aqua/Uran/Sat in 10th, ruler of 10th in 11th- Friendships/associations have a potential to advance the reputation and/or career. The associates one picks help to further life goals and ambitions.

Sco/Plu/Mars on the 11th house cusp, Ura/Sat /Mars in 8th,Sat/Ura in Scorpio,Aqua on the cusp of the 8th, Mars / Pluto in Aqua,Pluto-Sat/Ura aspects,Mars-Sat/Ura.

The above people have upheavals and all sorts of drama in friendships. There is a lot of energy invested in building friendships.But there are likely also fallouts / disputes because of strong feelings about friendships.

Sometimes friends turn to enemies and some friends turn into passionate romances. With Mars/Pluto,there are combative standoffs or competition.When the friendships end,its usually in court or heated exchanges of words.

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posted November 21, 2019 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Yeah, I'd be pjssed abt that too. Someone close recently cost me a client by what I suspect was jealousy on their part, granted that I should have communicated with the client later, instead of just dropping them off on it, but it does pjss me off when "friends" deliberately sabotage ur stuff. My sword is not that sharp these days, its a shame.

Sabotaging is a big no for me as well. That is not a friend at all.
What impact does chiron in the 11th have for you?

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posted November 21, 2019 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aries 23 degrees:

Nice to hear from you Aries! How are you doing?

I wouldn't say I have a circle of friends (like one big group) but friends here and there that are not necessarily interconnected.
I do have Taurus in the 11th and Uranus in the 5th and Saturn in the 4th so some of the things you listed do apply to me. I am very loyal in friendships and very picky who I invite into my circle (the circle meaning my privacy not a circle of friends).
I do consider Aqua as a very loyal sign actually when it comes to friendships. the Aquarians I know are very focussed on their friends and are very loyal . usually keeping the same circle of friends for many years.

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posted November 21, 2019 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kani:
@Aries 23 degrees:

Nice to hear from you Aries! How are you doing?

I wouldn't say I have a circle of friends (like one big group) but friends here and there that are not necessarily interconnected.
I do have Taurus in the 11th and Uranus in the 5th and Saturn in the 4th so some of the things you listed do apply to me. I am very loyal in friendships and very picky who I invite into my circle (the circle meaning my privacy not a circle of friends).
I do consider Aqua as a very loyal sign actually when it comes to friendships. the Aquarians I know are very focussed on their friends and are very loyal . usually keeping the same circle of friends for many years.


I am fantastic

Aqua tends to look for loyalties OUTSIDE the ties that bind i.e relational boundaries. So they are loyal within that regards.

Your Saturn in 4th is the type to keep close but few friends. This is similar to Moon in Cap-not the most vivacious of people and so not considered "fun" per se. But very loyal.

Taurus(together with the 2nd) in chart signifies the fundamentals and personal security. So having 11th house in Taurus or Aqua on the 2nd house cusp, friendships tend to make one feel secure.

Being financially supported by a friend, a friend being the "rock" for you or vice versa. Taurus steadys the friendships.They may not be many.But they are enduring.

My best friend has Aqu in 2nd house cusp,Venus in Aqu, Lib on the 11th house cusp with Uranus in Scorpio there.

He has been the most loyal friend have had. My 11th house is in Aqua. Uranus in 8th. I don't think I am that bad as a friend as well.Saturn(ruler of 11th) in 7th.I feel like I am married(7th) to my friends.

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posted November 21, 2019 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 21, 2019 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I am fantastic

Aqua tends to look for loyalties OUTSIDE the ties that bind i.e relational boundaries. So they are loyal within that regards.

Your Saturn in 4th is the type to keep close but few friends. This is similar to Moon in Cap-not the most vivacious of people and so not considered "fun" per se. But very loyal.

Taurus(together with the 2nd) in chart signifies the fundamentals and personal security. So having 11th house in Taurus or Aqua on the 2nd house cusp, friendships tend to make one feel secure.

Being financially supported by a friend, a friend being the "rock" for you or vice versa. Taurus steadys the friendships.They may not be many.But they are enduring.

My best friend has Aqu in 2nd house cusp,Venus in Aqu, Lib on the 11th house cusp with Uranus in Scorpio there.

He has been the most loyal friend have had. My 11th house is in Aqua. Uranus in 8th. I don't think I am that bad as a friend as well.Saturn(ruler of 11th) in 7th.I feel like I am married(7th) to my friends.


Good to hear you are doing well

Makes sense all that you said, but can't agree entirely on the saturn in 4th. I'm quite entertaining if I may say so myself haha I m not too serious but I am reliable if I consider you a friend. I seem to ooze something that makes my friends come to me and ask for my opinion/advice/help. One of my friends said it's because I seem to be "above things", like I can give a completely new/objective/useful perspective and that I seem somewhat detached.

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posted November 21, 2019 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kani:
Good to hear you are doing well

Makes sense all that you said, but can't agree entirely on the saturn in 4th. I'm quite entertaining if I may say so myself haha I m not too serious but I am reliable if I consider you a friend. I seem to ooze something that makes my friends come to me and ask for my opinion/advice/help. One of my friends said it's because I seem to be "above things", like I can give a completely new/objective/useful perspective and that I seem somewhat detached.


Is your Saturn in Libra? The sign Saturn is in must alwyas be considered. I was interpreting from the perspective of strictly Saturnine energy.

Saturn in Libra would be the type who is fair,objective and asked for advice. Libra is exalted energy when combined with Saturn-it is the energy of judges(just ones), priests(ethical ones) and lawyers(resourceful ones).

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posted November 22, 2019 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Is your Saturn in Libra? The sign Saturn is in must alwyas be considered. I was interpreting from the perspective of strictly Saturnine energy.

Saturn in Libra would be the type who is fair,objective and asked for advice. Libra is exalted energy when combined with Saturn-it is the energy of judges(just ones), priests(ethical ones) and lawyers(resourceful ones).


Yes it is in Libra!

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posted November 22, 2019 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Cancer Sun, Mercury, Venus and Saturn 11H opposite Cap Moon 5H.

If we are friends there are rules and those are:

1)Don’t lie to me
2)Don’t backstab me
3)Don’t mess with my man
4)IF I ask for help-try to help IF you can or at the very least listen to my story for 5 minutes.

In return, you will get the same or most likely more because I see my closest friends as my family.
I don’t need constant chit-chat as it makes me claustrophobic so if we don’t speak for a few months, I’ll be more than happy to just pick up where the last convo ended; and I’ll remember what it was.

If we are friends, we’ll NEVER be lovers but if we were lovers we’ll most likely be friends.

If you hurt me TWICE (I’ll forgive the first time) I’ll de-friend you.

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posted November 22, 2019 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
I have Cancer Sun, Mercury, Venus and Saturn 11H opposite Cap Moon 5H.

If we are friends there are rules and those are:

1)Don’t lie to me
2)Don’t backstab me
3)Don’t mess with my man
4)IF I ask for help-try to help IF you can or at the very least listen to my story for 5 minutes.

In return, you will get the same or most likely more because I see my closest friends as my family.
I don’t need constant chit-chat as it makes me claustrophobic so if we don’t speak for a few months, I’ll be more than happy to just pick up where the last convo ended; and I’ll remember what it was.

If we are friends, we’ll NEVER be lovers but if we were lovers we’ll most likely be friends.

If you hurt me TWICE (I’ll forgive the first time) I’ll de-friend you.



Sounds very sensible to me. I don't talk that much to my friends either...

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