posted November 28, 2019 11:45 AM            

The native may have trouble joining the two planets and their symbolism. Often seeing them as mutually exclusive.

Jupiter is representative of higher education and/or knowledge through formal school or life experience.

posted November 28, 2019 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Oppositions indicate a push/pull dynamic. The native may fluctuate between two extremes symbolically indicated by the two planets in question.

The native may have trouble joining the two planets and their symbolism. Often seeing them as mutually exclusive.

Jupiter is representative of higher education and/or knowledge through formal school or life experience.

Either the native is very religious or vehemently against religious conformance, someone who has strong morals that they refuse to deviate from or someone who is so corrupt , they behave as if they don't have any.Wealth that is extreme or poverty that is extreme, a love of foreigners or an individual who is xenophobic, someone who has mad respect for institutionalized higher learning or someone who seeks to abolish that stringent system of learning, someone who respects the moral authority/law or someone who seeks to redo or remodel what "morality" and "law" means

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I have strong morals, and am not at all religious. Over the last few years, I've really been turned off of religion, and was never a part of anything growing up (although my mother believed in God, and once or twice, let out a gasp if I expressed my feelings on all of it).

posted December 03, 2019 03:50 PM            

- Religion: beneficial social construct (Jupiter) or (Pluto) power play? This native sets up their own belief systems and follows it. On the other side of the coin, this is a potential for cult leaders if they have followers interested.

- (Jupiter) respects higher education and believes that the world is better for it. (Pluto) sees education as a rigged system they know how to play. This can result in someone A)dropping out and becoming a successful entrepreneur or B) achieving the highest positions (Pluto) in education systems (Jupiter.)

For money, I imagine the sign & house combinations would determine that. (For example, Jupiter-Pluto opposition on the House 2-8 axis would look different than the 5-11 axis; same for Taurus-Scorpio vs Leo-Aquarius.)

Would you agree or disagree? I'm still working on interpretations and appreciate feedback!

posted December 03, 2019 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
For the sake of imagination, I imagine this to be a good example of someone with this opposition:

- Religion: beneficial social construct (Jupiter) or (Pluto) power play? This native sets up their own belief systems and follows it. It wouldn't bother the native if people choose to follow them too (and they would get an ego boost from it!)

- (Jupiter) respects higher education and believes that the world is better for it. (Pluto) sees education as a rigged system they know how to play. This can result in someone A)dropping out and becoming a successful entrepreneur or B) achieving the highest positions (Pluto) in education systems (Jupiter.)

For money, I imagine the sign & house combinations would determine that. (For example, Jupiter-Pluto opposition on the House 2-8 axis would look different than the 5-11 axis; same for Taurus-Scorpio vs Leo-Aquarius.)

Would you agree or disagree? I'm still working on interpretations and appreciate feedback!

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posted December 03, 2019 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I'm fine with whatever anyone else wants to do (as long as they aren't hurting anyone else). I have absolutely no interest in sparking a following of my own. That sounds like a cult leader (potentially), and I've always been wary of people like that.

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Haha, I was alluding to cult leader. Like always, there are two sides to everything. Actually, I'm going to go ahead and clarify that in my post! I meant it as the native would set up their own belief system for themself and only themself or become a cult leader.

posted December 03, 2019 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
Haha, I was alluding to cult leader. Like always, there are two sides to everything. Actually, I'm going to go ahead and clarify that in my post! I meant it as the native would set up their own belief system for themself and only themself or become a cult leader.

Thanks for speaking up!

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posted December 03, 2019 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Ooh, actually, that is one area in which I expect people to listen, and then back off, because they're entitled to what they believe, even if I think it's BS: when it comes to people like Jim Jones, in the past, or more recently, this Medical Medium guy, I get so annoyed. I block anything to do with him, and mute anyone who repeats his stuff. I joined a group about him last year, because I was trying the celery juice for my stomach (it didn't help, by the way - it made things worse for me, and I'm not interested in going into it). I started the juice, before realizing who the person was who was pushing it. In the group, when I started to pay attention, there were a lot of people getting sick, after years of being well, or just remaining sick, and some devoted to MM insisted it was just detox, and that they should see it through. The last straw for me, was when he was pushing conspiracy theories on his podcast, and they were eating it up, because they believe that he's channelling God's "right hand man" so to speak - he is a cult leader, in my opinion. The same day, I saw women telling someone to not listen to anyone else about her condition, to ONLY listen to the medical medium, and them. Nobody else. That is so dangerous, and they were delusional.

If anyone loves this guy, don't bother trying to convince me that he's this wonderful human being who knows what he's talking about. Do. not. bother. I stopped trying to get through to some people about him, and I will not tolerate anyone trying to brainwash me.

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So you would say that your beliefs are yours and yours alone?

posted December 03, 2019 07:05 PM            

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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
So you would say that your beliefs are yours and yours alone?

I'm trying to approach astrology objectively and still working on phrasing, if you will.

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Not alone, there are people who agree with me. I just wouldn't tell people that they have to listen to me, and only me.

posted December 03, 2019 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Not alone, there are people who agree with me. I just wouldn't tell people that they have to listen to me, and only me.

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Exactly what I was asking! You have beliefs, (Jupiter) others agree or not but when expressing those beliefs (Pluto) it is done without intention nor desire to create a following, just education (Jupiter.)

Thanks again for sharing and clarification!

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It also might depend on the houses involved. Depending on the chart system and mine, the axis is either 5th/11th houses, or 6th/12th houses, with Jupiter in the 5th/6th, and Pluto in the 11th/12th. They are squared by Saturn in the 9th.

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Wholeheartedly agree. Your above example fit this perfectly!