posted December 11, 2019 11:52 AM            

Thoughts?

posted December 11, 2019 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Not true but I think applying aspects are stronger than separating ones.

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+1.

As far as transits and progressions, there have been some serious astrologers out there that have noted that events can sometimes correlate with a non exact, separating aspect. Say, once it has passed a degree or two away from being exact.

This has also been my observation and experience. Conversely, I have observed and noted events manifesting in applying before the aspect is exact (sometimes well before).

The literal, one dimensional mindedness of "events happen when aspects are exact" needs to be chucked out the window. This is actually more the exception to the rule than the ruling trend. In the great wisdom of the larger consciousness system, this is just as well for reasons related to human nature and ego...

You can feel/notice transit aspects, especially in relation to conjunctions and oppositions, especially in connection with the heavy hitters of Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus, even up to 5 to 6 degrees away from exact, applying.

posted December 11, 2019 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
I read an astrologer comment that a separating aspect no longer has an effect on the planet irregardless of orb.

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False. Read Robert Hand's classic modern work Planets in Transit. Study it. He addresses transits with a very well worked out theory that outstrips simple notions like this.

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... once it’s separated, what the planet came to do is said and done (unless retrograde wherein it will *apply* again).

Thoughts?

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It's true that a lot of times the energy of the planet is felt more strongly when applying and if action is taken in the spirit of the planet's energy then the opportunity may be met and fulfilled. But if this idea were true as stated then only applying aspects in the natal would clearly be observable and applicable. The dynamic for transits isn't that terribly different from the natal, just with tighter orbs.

posted December 11, 2019 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Study it.

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Thanks for the book recommendation. I’ll pick it up soon!

Just to clarify, this topic was never my own opinion. I’ve lived out transits to recognize the energy doesn’t end by separating.(Like a recent Uranus Square Moon... think I moved about 10+ times sublet-to-sublet in the span of a year, still ongoing.) Though, an applying aspect by retrograde motion that doesn’t quite cross over again is a curious case, hedged in by the transiting planet revisiting neighboring degrees.

posted December 12, 2019 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Planets applying and separating are interesting to study in synastry also.

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posted December 12, 2019 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I consider out of aspect when the planet changes signs.

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posted December 12, 2019 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
ah yeah I agree. I wanted to open this for discussion as well. what have you noticed, or what stands out to you?

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It's *always more complicated* but they way I view it in a simplified way is the person who is separating is running away. In comparison to the applying planet person.

The applying plant is appealing to the other and looking ahead to it, on it's own path. The separating planet has moved on.

posted December 12, 2019 09:11 AM            

Around 9pm (UK Summer Time/UT-1) on 7th April 1961, my grand-mother was hit (and killed instantly) by a truck - on a road she was crossing as a pedestrian at the time.

Transit Pluto was then at 5Virgo54, and my grandmother was/is symbolised in my natal chart by Saturn. ...

Transit Pluto had arrived at 4Virgo33 (for the first time) on 15th September 1959 - one week after I started my last year at Primary School ... and arrived at 6Virgo33 (for the last time) on 22nd July 1961 - the day after completing my first year at Secondary School. ... However, Pluto did not finally leave the sign of Virgo until 31st July 1972 - by which time I had married; was the father of a 9-months-old daughter and become settled in my career (as an accountant).

That last year at Primary School was difficult, because I was worried that the UK Education Streaming System would send me to a different Secondary School than all of my working-class neighbourhood friends. ... That first year in Secondary School was difficult, because I was attending classrooms filled with middle-class strangers rather than with working-class familiars/friends. ... The death of my grandmother left a void that still remains even now (at the age of 71). ... And - with hindsight - 1972 was the year when I finally developed a "no retreat, no surrender" acceptance of my responsibilities as a working-class-boy-made-good adult member of the UK middle-class.