posted January 11, 2020 11:40 AM            

That book is VERY valuable for yes, medical transits-- AND for the Wisdoms contained in it. Even if you didn't know anything about astrology, you could read it for advice about life.

When I first started getting into astrology (and had to 'find' my books in thrift shops, and lending libraries), I found that book valuable in learning about my natal aspects.

All you have to do is look up the transit-aspect, that is same as your natal, and read the "two" for information on your aspect.

Your Pisces Moon makes some VERY elegant trines and sextiles.

Look up e.g. Moon trine Mercury, and Mercury trine Moon. Use the pages that describe BOTH transits, and you can extrapolate good information.

Argggh? Best of Luck and good perseverance on on some of those health-transits! Really, they turn out to be slightly different in how they manifest, on first pass, retrograde pass, then final pass. Sometimes it's the first pass that 'introduces' you to energies involved. Third-pass, you've worked it out, and finalize things!

posted January 13, 2020 11:30 PM            

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It never went anywhere. It was most likely one-sided, and I'll never know because there wasn't any contact during the duration of it nor was there any way to really reach them either. It took months to get over and then eventually it died off for the most part. Now I'm in a place where I feel I've risen above it, thankfully.

I think my experience was atypical though because from what I have gathered, it seems most have communication with the person, but often issues arise where they end up separated. It also put me face-to-face with a darker aspect of myself that was very terrifying for me, but I'm sure that was done so I'd know what to work on in order to ascend. Some of the dreams were really weird too where one directly told me that this person was my twin flame, but I stopped attaching myself to that label even though I know the experience is real.

I've meditated lying down before, but I almost always end up falling asleep. So sitting up is more my preference.

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Sounds like it was intense.Your dream guidance is important and should be paid attention to imo. There are few chance encounters in general, let alone with a Twin Soul.But maybe they/the connection served it's purpose in opening up your heart.

After I met and talked to someone at a mutual friend's party and exchanged info with them, we met up shortly after for dinner and karaoke. She felt very familiar to me from the get go at the party, and I was very intensely and all level attracted to her.

During the dinner, she exclaimed a couple of times that for some reason, she was getting unusually hot. I knew from that, and from how we were looking into each other's eyes that I was blasting open her heart center and it wasn't something she was use to. For one connected to a female body, she is quite head/intellect centered.

But our connection only lasted a month and a half. She couldn't deal with the depth and intensity of my feelings for her and I couldn't deal with her casual, non attached treatment of me/our connection (especially in a communication sense).

She cut me off after I expressed some discontent with her inconsistent and inconsiderate communication style. Basically long story shorter, after she cut me off, I started to get little hints and clues here and there from my guidance that we are Twin Souls and that we are both rare, literal reincarnations of two Souls that had an Egyptian lifetime together and had been unusually, all level close, but despite that how much mutual love for each other that we had, I decided to leave Egypt and the Earth to be with what I considered my original family (long story that one and unbelievable to most).

It has taken me the better part of the last half year to start to get over her, and I've been doing fairly well with it of late, until I had a couple semi recent back to back dreams about her. One that suggests that we will reconcile. I both deeply desire and yet fear this. I don't know how this would even happen, as she moved to an Asian country far away from where I live, back in October.

To say that I long for, miss, and love her is an understatement, and it has nothing to do with that physically she is gorgeous and emotionally/energetically very charming and magnetic. It's a very deep Soul and Spirit thing.

Anyways, all this to say that I likely do understand some of what you went through. We triggered some major changes/transformations in each other, just from the brief connection. It sounds melodramatic and ridiculous, but her rejection of me was one of the hardest things, emotional pain wise, that I have ever dealt with. Close to, and perhaps worse than my beloved Mom, who I shared the same b-day with, dying of cancer when I was 20 after a 4 year off and on battle.

It hurt so much that in order to not think about unthinkable options/urges, I went to the wilderness for a week and just water fasted, meditated, and communed with nature the whole time just to try to regain some semblance of centeredness and balance.

I'm a friqqen Capricorn Sun with wide Cap Mercury conjunction to same, and Aquarius Venus. I never get all that attached to people let alone so intensely so.

posted January 14, 2020 07:52 PM            

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It could be your body rebelling against you, it happens to me too when I go without any meditation for few days, when I start again, couple of days, it works, the third day my body aches like a mothetruckerrr!!!...

On the path of Yoga, there must be no compromise.

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posted January 14, 2020 09:02 PM            

I started bawling reading your post because I could relate to most of what you said and it triggered all those memories of the dreams/synchronicities and past involvement with him, and now I'm angry at myself too because I was certain I was longtime over him...apparently not. Just shows how much this can affect a person both mentally and emotionally.

And your astrology placements...yup, nobody can escape the intensity of this connection, even the most detached, self-sufficient Capricorn out there. It's interesting how you note about her being predominately masculine in temperament as a female. From my observation, it seems spiritual types no matter the gender lie more towards the feminine energetically, which makes sense given the very nature of spirituality itself. And the other person ends up being the perfect masculine complement. That happened to me as well. It's all very alchemical.

As much as I would love to have my hopes high and linger onto all of those signs related to this experience, I know it in my heart it's best I move on because it's nearly impossible at this point that anything will come about it now. It would be extremely unhealthy for me to have it tattooed in my mind that this person is "the one" for me. I have learned from him though, and I feel that was part of my lesson in meeting him -- to become more alchemically balanced within myself. And yeah, I've heard catalysts are common, where a person comes into your life to help open the heart chakra, and many obstacles are present that keep each person apart. I didn't know about this until it was too late. If I knew beforehand, I would have been more receptive towards him, and I wasn't for reasons involving a third party.

I knew there was something different about him from the get-go and I felt deeply attracted to him more than anyone else in my life. It was strange because he wasn't someone I would normally be infatuated over. I've never met anyone like him before. The dreams and synchronicities were so glaringly obvious in symbolizing nothing less than a twin flame experience. But it felt more like a carrot dangling on a stick, a constant tease that will forever remain out of my reach no matter how much I dream about it coming true.

And I agree, it had almost nothing to do with his looks. I was intrigued the most with his mind. I thought he was absolutely brilliant. I also found it difficult to ever get angry at him. However, I never felt familiarity from him; that trait was something that never resonated with me. But there was deep desire and longing, and yeah, it also brought out extreme terror and fear in me. I feel so ridiculous, my face is totally wet....hah. I know that it's best I move on. It's extremely difficult, and I'm not one to remain attached to people in that kind of manner for long either despite having a lot of Cancer in my chart. A prominent aspect of having an Aries Ascendant I identify with...the desire for autonomy.

But in all honesty, I have mixed feelings on the whole twin flame thing because of all the different narratives and belief systems people have on it. I do feel it's a vibrational match depending on our current spiritual development, and I'm sure there are special people from past lives whom we meet again through chance encounter as well, but I have a hard time personally connecting with the idea that there can only be ONE being out of the many in the infinite universe meant for someone in a partnership, no matter the level of intensity in the connection. I agree it is rare to meet someone on a soul level like that, but I can't find it in myself to believe I'd be incomplete as a person if they are not with me in this lifetime (I'll blame it on the Aries Ascendant/Capricorn Midheaven and NN/empty 7th house). The whole thing is a mystery, and I'll have to view it through that context. I respect everyone else's belief on this, however. I know how touchy this subject can be.

posted January 14, 2020 10:10 PM            

As to attunement and related to spiritual development--my observation is that no matter the gender, the more developed the person, the more blended/integrated/balanced a person becomes between the inner Yin and Yang. YET, there is often a period of becoming at first polarized to the Yin for a bit. This is so that one becomes sensitized and receptive to the nonphysical levels of guidance. This is necessary to better receive various important downloads.

But the more the process continues and the more one attunes to Love, the more merged between these become. A very interesting account is Robert A. Monroe's account as outlined in his 3rd and last book, "Ultimate Journeys". Bob was Mr. OBE from the 70's to 80's and became very well known in circles that were into that kind of stuff (Bruce Moen was very connected to Bob and very influenced by Bob's institute and it's programs--The Monroe Institute in Faber, VA).

Anyways, he talks about asking his guidance before an OBE if he could meet the most mature (spiritually developed) human living in his time/space reference. His guidance told him sure, but it might not be what he expected. Were they ever right! Bob's mind seemed blown by the meeting. Bob's initial, almost overwhelming perception of this person was that they were completely and utterly equally "male and female", and since he didn't know this person's name/identity at first, he started thinking of them as "He/She".

Here is a full account if you would like to read it: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000580-2.html

As to Twin Souls--yes, there does seem to be a lot of different theories out there. It is best to go within, rather than overly listen to this or that outer source. With that caveat in mind, this is what I have gotten from going within (and should be checked by self at some point via deep meditation and guidance communication):

Our original form/selves were these vast Light Beings. When the reflected/refracted levels such as the physical etc came into temporary manifestation, some of these Light Beings became involved, via curiosity, in exploring and experiencing these levels. But some of these levels were based on polarization and were innately imbalanced in nature due to their origins.

So, the Light Beings that became involved specifically with the physical level, decided to pull a mini, microcosmic version act of the Source/Creator (aka the first Light being that has always existed). They split themselves up into different parts. The first split was that involving Twin flames/Souls. So into two different, but connected halves/selves. One more polarized to the Yin and one more polarized to the Yang initially.

These then two different but ever connected halves, started their own process of splitting and eventually started the process of incarnation and creating Souls--extended aspects of themselves, to experience these incarnations and other dimensional experiences.

A half of Spirit, interestingly, can have multiple different Souls going on in the same space/time cycle. It would take too long to explain how I know this, but I know it from deep and repeated experience and guidance. This means that theoretically, one could actually meet two or more Twin Souls in the same life if both halves of the Spirit/Light Being have multiple Soul selves going on in the same time/space cycle, but I think this is probably fairly rare because of the difficult that this would tend to cause. My core partner and I have an open option. She is my Twin Soul beyond a doubt. However, the person I was talking about earlier is also part of the same half of Spirit that she is i.e. both these Souls are my Twin Souls. However, my connection to the other person is in some ways more intense, because we shared a direct other life together. My partner is like most Souls, she was recently rolled together from previous patterns by her half of Spirit, and this is her first human experience.

Twin Soul connections are not always romantic in nature. It's not uncommon for them to incarnate in family roles, or in other roles where they cannot be together romantically for different reasons. Sometimes they don't incarnate together, but one acts as guidance from the nonphysical.

The defining attribute of a Twin Soul connection is a very powerful, fast/automatic and very holistic psychic connection. There is no need to have sex or have long and deep life experience together to powerfully "cord" with each other. Those energetic "cords" (these are only metaphors) are already there, and become super noticeable the moment they even bump into/become conscious aware of each other.

That, and they tend to be spiritual help meets to each other, and if they come to have a deeper connection in this life, can come to become very, very close whatever the type of relationship.

It's hard to say how many romantic relationships involve actual Twin Souls. Doesn't seem like a particularly high percentage. Seems like a lot of romantic relationships are karmic and/or Soulmate in nature/origin. However, these are no less important than Twin Soul connections. It would be spiritually limiting to only ever incarnate and have one's partner always be one's Twin Soul. Less growth would happen that way, and less karma would be worked out/on.

With my partner and I, we both are fairly aware of a number of our Spirit's other Soul selves, and we know that these other Soul selves have been each others parents, co-workers/friends that couldn't be together, etc, but only a smallish percentage of these lives involved our other Soul selves being romantically together. However, when they were, these were intense/affecting relationships.

posted January 15, 2020 11:08 AM            

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Huh, interesting...never crossed my mind to read it for natal as well. Good idea! Also the number of transit passings; I never took extreme notice of that for some reason. I'll be on the lookout for any particular pattern. Thank you! <3

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posted January 17, 2020 01:43 AM            

I wanted to take time to absorb everything on here. This was a fascinating read.

I relate to that description of Bruce Moen, but I tend to allow myself to feel things; I just don't open myself up around others. But yes, I see the importance of being able to experience all various shades of the emotional spectrum. And also, keeping into consideration that the deep sorrow within never remains in that state forever, since feelings are like seasons and change with time. Nobody, not even the richest, healthiest, most fortunately blessed person alive is exempt from the highs and lows of life. I do keep that in mind, even though the hardships can become overbearing at times.

Yeah, I agree on the balanced yin/yang concept. It is especially reinforced with the kundalini rising and twin flame stuff. And how this brings the opportunity for a person to reach their full potential, it makes sense. That's an interesting thing you mentioned though, about the initial yin period. I'm also thinking about how the opposite of that would work. I feel like there's more of an openness to the yin person that would be harder to shake out of the yang counterpart.

On the perfect human bit, another thing that came to mind is this theory connected to the kundalini/twin flame experience. That supposedly the goal of human evolution is for us as species to become androgynous beings. I'm open-ended on this, but I still find it interesting how this ties into the he/she intersex being you mentioned. I think there might be something there, but it would be a very gradual process, definitely not in our lifetime.

Oh wow, I had no idea you were already with someone, and this person also happens to be your twin? So your current partner/twin doesn't feel the connection as strongly? Is it only you who feels it?

Honestly, however, I feel in a way for me coming back to this subject is akin to an alcoholic taking small sips of wine again. As aforementioned, I know there is a repressive nature on my part where I usually keep all my innermost thoughts and emotions to myself (water sign 12th house Moon/4th house Mercury). Maybe there is something to keeping it all buried within that is now bubbling up to the surface and manifesting physically because I am not catering to my emotional well being enough, even though I feel I was doing well before this, having believed I moved on. I keep feeling this inner urge to tell someone close to me, but refrain due to the inner stoic in me and a fear of being misunderstood, embarrassed, and not taken seriously enough because this really messed with me mentally, especially in the midst of the beginning stages of a kundalini awakening. Everytime I have in the past, it always felt better to keep everything to myself, wishing I didn't let it out because it didn't give me the positively transformative results I was seeking (my 8th house Pluto is very tied to both my Moon and Mercury; always in deep longing for something more).

That is to say, this is more in regards to real life and not really in this convo. It's different in written form, perhaps due to having more time to formulate my thoughts to better facilitate in what I'm trying to articulate. And of course, talking with somebody who has actually experienced this and understands perfectly well the emotionally dense nature of it all.

What is troubling to me (and as a person who admittedly isn't as deeply involved in New Age circles) is that I'm just trying to understand the bigger picture of what this is even about so I can better navigate the process. I have heard various theories, some ranging from "missions," some to the split soul/past life soul connection as you seem to align with, others to having the "ultimate" soulful love connecton one can experience as likened to something out of a fantasy romance novel. Is there even a specific purpose as to why people attract each other in the first place besides being close in soul connection? Is there necessarily an importance to being with someone from a past life in a future timeline? I suppose the idea of not always reincarnating with every past life soul connection so that one can learn life lessons makes sense, but how will this affect the grand scheme of things?

As an aside, I did hear about one theory in particular that went quite further into this and it made a whole lot of sense to me out of a topic that is (let's face it) quite senseless in its very nature. The theory suggests that it's a system instilled by older generation twin flames (those who are much smaller in number than today's current wave and are mission oriented, which was the original intent of twins coming together in the days of yore supposedly) to help facilitate in the human evolutionary process so that the collective consciousness can grow and evolve. It all sounds like this is out of some futuristic, utopian science-fiction novel and that I probably (a little too cheerfully) ride around all day on a unicorn, but having experienced some of the unimaginable (and I know you are obviously well aware of this side to life as well), nothing surprises me anymore.

Supposedly, the twin flame experience helps facilitate a person in meeting someone who is a perfect complementary match in every conceivable way, from personality traits and behavior to hereditary traits/DNA, etc. The meeting is arranged so that each person will learn from one another in order to grow and become a better version of themselves. They may or may not get together, but eventually the person with the open heart center will meet another perfectly matched individual who will be of a higher vibrational state of consciousness this time round, as one hopefully grew from the previous experience (this is where the whole "false twin/catalyst twin" stems from). This is so that they can keep growing through the ascension process. Some people go through very few heart center connections while others experience a higher frequency of them (the latter is now increasing when before it was very uncommon to have a multitude of heart center connections, thus the whole "there can only be one twin" stems from due to its rarity).

The ultimate goal is for two people to come into union through a perfect vibrational match, and through this connection, perhaps even procreate higher vibrational children into this world -- those with an already awakened kundalini and activated 12 chakra system. This would eventually lead to a majority of our world's population living from an open heart center and affecting all areas of our world, from love partnerships to our world leaders in politics. There are still mishaps with the twin flame system as it's still in its early stages, and that's why some are enduring hardships, such as attracting narcisissts to them. The bottom line is, people will keep attracting others whenever their own vibration increases as well. And eventually, another person who is a perfect match will form a union, but even in a partnership they can and will continue to feel those strong, intense connections through their heart center with other people. And it seems that you are currently experiencing another intense connection despite already being with your twin soul, so this theory also seems to align pretty well.

To me, this explains so much and seeing how more people are now spiritually waking up and having twin flame experiences, I can see this as a large possibility at this point. Since the twin flame experience is becoming more widespread now, I think many of us are simply trying to figure out the nuts and bolts of this experience, especially when there is not a whole lot of information to gauge from except from personal accounts. Overall, it's an interesting theory to ponder from time to time.

posted January 18, 2020 03:50 PM            

LET them flow.
A lot of Healing in this thread, in more ways than one.
Thank you for starting it.

Galactic..
Ref Your other posted to me,
which is more semi-related to topic here right now, than in the music thread.

Astrology2.0 forum
the Theme Song thread,
my response to your singing L.Cohen's Hallelujah.
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241279-3.html

(music) singing song Hallelujah (Leonard Cohen, perf by {our} Justin W, Sep 14, 2019) [4:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99mYau9x82A

Context --
We had a convo in your Knowflake intro thread, when I had 'guessed' that the 3 framed line-drawings you have mounted on wall above the pillows and headboard of your bed were created by your wife.

So, I didn't realize you had agreed to being in an 'open' marriage.

With missing-context, your vid felt as though we were viewing the line-drawings above your bed (without your face there, and empty pillows). Hearing you sing that song without 'you' in it, and the Creative Drawings from your wife as front-and-center, it was (to me) like hearing you 'mourn' her, sorrowing for the loss of relationship.

I had difficulty 'tracking' some of the subtopic conversations in various threads you'd been having with others. Since I've not been in a dating relationship, (and am older), at times I skip paying closer attention to longer posts, detailing who is currently zooming whom? (song)

So, I hadn't realized you were 'still' married to your soulmate .., and that you were practicing open-marriage-- having sex partners outside of marriage.

Sorry for my confusion, and thank you for your clarification.

Personally, I guess a grew up in an older era. Yes, I was younger during the more-promiscuous hippie-era where 'free love' abounded. But back then, once you got married, it was with the intention of being a Covenant lasting 'for life'.

Imagining self in an open-marriage, would feel difficult. I wouldn't want 'my husband' to be going off on dates to screw other women, with an "expectation" of returning to a life (and bed) with me in it.
.. Couldn't deal with that (personally, my personality).

Some people are fine with it-- it's their legal intention. If they 'agree' then that's among them. I just feel a dissonance with it 'imagining' that happening in my own life.

(I could delineate factors in my chart.. but I won't. It would go too long. .. )

Thank you very much for that Kind reply you left in 'Theme song' thread.

I know very little about soulmate theories.
I'm learning from you, and other posts here.

Soulmates... I heard can be harsh relationships.

posted January 19, 2020 10:52 AM            

Just wanted to let you know that I read your reply. I'm about to get ready for group meditation, and plan on replying back sometime when I get back.

posted January 19, 2020 08:59 PM            

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{{{Moongaze }}}
I can relate to your tears.

LET them flow.
A lot of Healing in this thread, in more ways than one.
Thank you for starting it.

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Thanks for the support, Mirage!

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Hi Moongaze,

Just wanted to let you know that I read your reply. I'm about to get ready for group meditation, and plan on replying back sometime when I get back.

Meanwhile, if you are interested, if you click the link that Mirage shared a couple posts above mine, and go to my 1st post on that page, you'll see a summary of my somewhat odd situation.

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posted January 19, 2020 09:54 PM            

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I was just thinking about when I got really sick in May 2018. I had the symptoms of the parasite that was in the news at the time - the outbreak. Uranus had just entered Taurus, and was opposed my own Uranus. I had fevers for two weeks straight, but my other symptoms were the same as usual, leading up to it, so I thought it was my own thing getting worse.

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Teasel.. I remember that time because I did a post (in my old thread) on April 22, 2019 'Earth Day'.

Uranus entered sign of TAURUS WITH a conjunction to the SUN 'and' to asteroid 10 Hygeia..

By the end of that day, I was surprised when I'd come down with a flu {which my body is normally good at fighting off}--
but if it succumbs, I get really hammered, then to bounce back with as much alacrity.
Taurus 6th House cusp, Sun Gem H6.
Sun trines Hygeia Libra H10
Sun, Hygeia, trine Chiron {with other health asteroids conjuncting it}.
Also have clusters of health-related asteroids conjunct my H10/H4 axis.

We {the world/globe} were dealing with 'outbreaks' of sicknesses that had previously been quashed ?because of a lapse in vaccinations.
?other things in the news related to outbreaks other places {but my memory is too foggy}.

My Earth Day Post, April 22, 2019--
scroll down, almost to bottom of page 113.
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000630-113.html
-- by the way, that very long thread I had stopped working after LL switched Servers.
No one can bump it, nor respond there now (as you already know, Teasel).
{I keep some connecting-links to it, from other active threads.}

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@GalacticCoreExplosion

I wanted to take time to absorb everything on here. This was a fascinating read.

I relate to that description of Bruce Moen, but I tend to allow myself to feel things; I just don't open myself up around others. But yes, I see the importance of being able to experience all various shades of the emotional spectrum. And also, keeping into consideration that the deep sorrow within never remains in that state forever, since feelings are like seasons and change with time. Nobody, not even the richest, healthiest, most fortunately blessed person alive is exempt from the highs and lows of life. I do keep that in mind, even though the hardships can become overbearing at times.

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Speaking only in generals, I think on average, those connected to female bodies tend to better intuitively understand the importance of feelings and allowing oneself to feel that wide spectrum.

Yes, indeed, no one that still has a human physical body is completely exempt from this. While I'm not in the slight bit religious (and haven't ever been in this life), I am still rather drawn to the teacher, example, life, and teachings of Yeshua ("Jesus"). I consider him an extremely advanced Soul, one who came here straight from the core of Source. Yet, even in him we see a difference between him pre and post resurrection. The difference being is that post resurrection, he was not dealing with a physical human body as we know and think of it, but more so a co-created thought form/translated directly from consciousness to physical type form, that is completely unlimited and no longer actually "human" at all, only in appearance.

But even he, while connected to a human form, had a moment of weakness and prayed that this bitter cup be taken from him, even though deep down he knew this was his true path and destiny and an important service. It was the influence of the body, which is a form of concentrated fear and selfishness as compared to the Soul and especially Spirit levels of us.

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Yeah, I agree on the balanced yin/yang concept. It is especially reinforced with the kundalini rising and twin flame stuff. And how this brings the opportunity for a person to reach their full potential, it makes sense. That's an interesting thing you mentioned though, about the initial yin period. I'm also thinking about how the opposite of that would work. I feel like there's more of an openness to the yin person that would be harder to shake out of the yang counterpart.

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That's an interesting question to ponder, and it does seem likely that the more Yang polarized individual would have a harder time with it. I found this to be the case in both my core partner R's case, as well as the new person H's case. I'm actually a bit more Yin/Feminine polarized internally than both of them, and was more open, intuitive, and aware when we initially met. R has come a long way and we have had a balancing affect on each other, and she is quite open and aware. H always has had some of that to some degree, but there is a disconnect with her heart, partly due to that past life experience and partly due to sexual trauma in this life.

H is also very attuned to Uranus and is prone to Uranian extremes (which are different than Plutonian extremes, but no less intense).

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On the perfect human bit, another thing that came to mind is this theory connected to the kundalini/twin flame experience. That supposedly the goal of human evolution is for us as species to become androgynous beings. I'm open-ended on this, but I still find it interesting how this ties into the he/she intersex being you mentioned. I think there might be something there, but it would be a very gradual process, definitely not in our lifetime.

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I've had some experiences with and guidance communications about some different ET groups and ET's in general. Apparently some ET's exist in this androgynous or rather completely blended and beyond either form when they have a form, state. Some are purely nonphysical in nature, and blended/merged energetically/consciousness wise.

This is the Source state, hence it's only natural that we grow/remember back to this state, as our Spirit/Light Being selves were also originally in this fully integrated, balanced, and merged state. Interestingly, in a particularly intense guidance download, I was given information that the Source itself started off polarized to the Yin state before becoming an active Creator. Isn't it interesting how when more advanced, mammalian life starts out, it first always starts out female/Yin? This is one of those interesting, "As Above, So Below" reflection patterns that sometimes happen/can be observed.

I don't think the human physical body will necessarily change to reflect this like some ET groups have. And Bob Monroe's "He/She", well I strongly suspect that this person is connected to what appears to us as a male form, but because Bob was in an OBE state and primarily perceiving more energetically at the time, he was more so perceiving the inner radiation/emanation of this person, which is fully merged.

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Oh wow, I had no idea you were already with someone, and this person also happens to be your twin? So your current partner/twin doesn't feel the connection as strongly? Is it only you who feels it?

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Speaking as one who has met a couple of individuals from my half of the larger Spirit self, the draw/attraction is not as intense with these individuals as it is with people/Souls from the other half of the Spirit. With one's own fellow half of Spirit members, it's more of a feeling of a long lost brother or sister and friend, which is very familiar and comfortable, but not the crazy strong attraction as with individuals from the other half of the Spirit.

But there has been odd synchroncities between all 3 of us. R (core partner) and I met H at the same party of a mutual friend in June. R and H have never met previously. R realized after us meeting and me starting to become friends with H. that they were already FB friends. R's maiden name contains H's first name within it.

R has Aries Moon, Taurus IC, and late Scorpio MC/Uranus conjunction. H is an Aries Sun, with ruling Planet Mercury in Taurus conjunct Taurus S. Node, and H's Moon is right on R's MC/Uranus. Uranus is very important in R's chart since she is Aqua Sun, Venus, and S. Node.

Rather interesting is that the night/morning after we all first met, R. had an intense dream about observing this smooth and very mottled black and brown caterpillar. Rather than go into a cocoon, at first and for awhile, this poor caterpillar was constantly shedding it's skin and in a very raw and painful state. When it finally went into the cocoon state, it emerged not as a butterfly, but as a hairy, white moth (interesting and very spiritual symbolism).

I just knew on a deep level that this dream was about H. and her state and path. I also know that in the short couple months of interaction, I had a strong catalyzing affect on her. Now what's interesting about this dream, is that about a couple months or so after R and I moved in together many years ago, she had a dream where she was viewing this black and dark red caterpillar that went into a cocoon state and emerged as a bright and deep blue and purple, beautiful butterfly. R knew that it was about her and her transformation, and she was so affected by the dream guidance message that she had it tattooed to her body.

I also had a very strong catalyzing affect on R., and to some extent vice versa. But my heart was more open at the time as I had already begun and been into a deep healing process before I had met her. R. was still holding onto a lot of childhood pain/wounding when we met.

Isn't it interesting that one, she even had a dream about H. to begin with, and not only that, but one that resembled in symbolism, her own dream about herself and her transformation from so many years ago?

But on a human personality level, R. views H. somewhat judgmentally. R. thinks that H. toyed with my heart too much and that she is somewhat immature/self centered (which is true), and also there is some shadow insecurity stuff going on. H is 14 years younger than R. and H is also physically extremely attractive and energetically alluring/charming. My very deep, strong, and holistic attraction to H. is somewhat threatening to R. on that ego/human personality level.

But deep down she knows that H. and I have a very strong Soul connection. She doesn't necessarily believe that H. and her are part of the same half of Spirit, but she also hasn't sought and received guidance like I have.

However, R. knows that her half of Spirit has at least a couple of other Souls/selves going on in our time/space cycle, as she has had a couple of guidance dreams making her aware of this. And interestingly, she had one of these dreams not long after us meeting H. But, it wasn't about H. specifically I don't think.

Every time that I made an intention to completely try to forget/let go of H., I would experience way above chance synchronicity, almost as if guidance was telling me, "no, don't try to completely forget about/detach from her". There are many examples to give, but I will just give one. At the height of this emotional pain, when I was driving to the trail head to fast, meditate-pray, tone/chant, and commune with nature to deal with these intense and difficult feelings, I passed by a 18 wheeler whose trailer had her last name in big letters all across it--apparently also the company name that the truck driver works for, but not a large nor common company (nor a super common last name like Smith, Jones, etc) and the only time I remember seeing such a truck. I first scowled, but then I laughed.

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Honestly, however, I feel in a way for me coming back to this subject is akin to an alcoholic taking small sips of wine again. As aforementioned, I know there is a repressive nature on my part where I usually keep all my innermost thoughts and emotions to myself (water sign 12th house Moon/4th house Mercury). Maybe there is something to keeping it all buried within that is now bubbling up to the surface and manifesting physically because I am not catering to my emotional well being enough, even though I feel I was doing well before this, having believed I moved on. I keep feeling this inner urge to tell someone close to me, but refrain due to the inner stoic in me and a fear of being misunderstood, embarrassed, and not taken seriously enough because this really messed with me mentally, especially in the midst of the beginning stages of a kundalini awakening. Everytime I have in the past, it always felt better to keep everything to myself, wishing I didn't let it out because it didn't give me the positively transformative results I was seeking (my 8th house Pluto is very tied to both my Moon and Mercury; always in deep longing for something more).

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I understand. Part of it is that you are very sensitive and it's partially a defense mechanism or rather way of dealing with such intense sensitivity.

But a very important part of keeping one's heart open is engaging in honest, open, and fearless communication with others. In a very deep and archetypal sense, part of the meaning of Love is that of sharing positively intentioned information with others.

At the same time, happiness and peace doesn't really come from outside oneself, but more from within, and how self chooses to approach others, life, self, and creation in general.

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That is to say, this is more in regards to real life and not really in this convo. It's different in written form, perhaps due to having more time to formulate my thoughts to better facilitate in what I'm trying to articulate. And of course, talking with somebody who has actually experienced this and understands perfectly well the emotionally dense nature of it all.

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I understand what you are saying, but would point out that this is no less 'real life' than an in physical interaction. It's just missing some information that one can pick up on in physical interactions. But when two deep and sincere people are communicating in depth, it's less of a "loss of information".

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What is troubling to me (and as a person who admittedly isn't as deeply involved in New Age circles) is that I'm just trying to understand the bigger picture of what this is even about so I can better navigate the process. I have heard various theories, some ranging from "missions," some to the split soul/past life soul connection as you seem to align with, others to having the "ultimate" soulful love connecton one can experience as likened to something out of a fantasy romance novel. Is there even a specific purpose as to why people attract each other in the first place besides being close in soul connection? Is there necessarily an importance to being with someone from a past life in a future timeline? I suppose the idea of not always reincarnating with every past life soul connection so that one can learn life lessons makes sense, but how will this affect the grand scheme of things?

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These are all great and pertinent questions, but as I mentioned earlier, it is best for one to go deeply within and directly commune/communicate with their own guidance system to figure out the answers to such questions. Sure, others/fellow humans, can help one to point one in certain helpful directions or the like, but ultimately, the more we go within, the better. Nothing better for that than deep meditation with the intention of communicating with one's guidance. I've learned via repeat experience that one can receive helpful, guidance sourced information during deep meditation, much like we have dreams that can be guidance messages. However, the forms and methods of receiving info can vary quite a bit from the dream form. Best to have no preconceptions as to the answers or how one will receive same.

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As an aside, I did hear about one theory in particular that went quite further into this and it made a whole lot of sense to me out of a topic that is (let's face it) quite senseless in its very nature. The theory suggests that it's a system instilled by older generation twin flames (those who are much smaller in number than today's current wave and are mission oriented, which was the original intent of twins coming together in the days of yore supposedly) to help facilitate in the human evolutionary process so that the collective consciousness can grow and evolve. It all sounds like this is out of some futuristic, utopian science-fiction novel and that I probably (a little too cheerfully) ride around all day on a unicorn, but having experienced some of the unimaginable (and I know you are obviously well aware of this side to life as well), nothing surprises me anymore.

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Tis an interesting theory. If we substitute the terms "Spirit" or "Original Light Being self" for the term of "older generation twin flames", it is not so different in it's essence from what I was outlining. As Souls and especially as Soul expressing through a human personality, we tend to not have as much conscious awareness as our Spirit level of self. And yet, at the same time, while we are like fingers/extensions of our palm/core self--it's all still really the same thing--the hand. A good metaphor for the difference and yet sameness of one's Soul vs Spirit levels of self.

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Supposedly, the twin flame experience helps facilitate a person in meeting someone who is a perfect complementary match in every conceivable way, from personality traits and behavior to hereditary traits/DNA, etc. The meeting is arranged so that each person will learn from one another in order to grow and become a better version of themselves. They may or may not get together, but eventually the person with the open heart center will meet another perfectly matched individual who will be of a higher vibrational state of consciousness this time round, as one hopefully grew from the previous experience (this is where the whole "false twin/catalyst twin" stems from). This is so that they can keep growing through the ascension process. Some people go through very few heart center connections while others experience a higher frequency of them (the latter is now increasing when before it was very uncommon to have a multitude of heart center connections, thus the whole "there can only be one twin" stems from due to its rarity).

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I don't tend to put too much stock in sources that get overly specific with this whole thing. As mentioned earlier, in both my experience and in observations of others, the only core, defining, common denominator trait of Twin Soul connections is that of a very deep, holistic, strong, and automatic psychic connection between the two. Bodies etc, don't necessarily figure too much into it. Twin Souls can be same sex, bi-ethnic, etc, etc when it comes to the bodies being involved.

H. is half Asian, which certainly isn't much of a compliment to my almost half Celtic (slightly predominate) and half Germanic ancestry.

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The ultimate goal is for two people to come into union through a perfect vibrational match, and through this connection, perhaps even procreate higher vibrational children into this world -- those with an already awakened kundalini and activated 12 chakra system. This would eventually lead to a majority of our world's population living from an open heart center and affecting all areas of our world, from love partnerships to our world leaders in politics. There are still mishaps with the twin flame system as it's still in its early stages, and that's why some are enduring hardships, such as attracting narcisissts to them. The bottom line is, people will keep attracting others whenever their own vibration increases as well. And eventually, another person who is a perfect match will form a union, but even in a partnership they can and will continue to feel those strong, intense connections through their heart center with other people. And it seems that you are currently experiencing another intense connection despite already being with your twin soul, so this theory also seems to align pretty well.

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Would say that I agree, in a general and over arching sense, in that at it's core, much of this is about attuning to a greater and more divine kind of Love, and doing so more and more collectively and raising the vibratory rates of humanity and perhaps even of the physical itself. Yet, at the same time, there are always individual and unique karmic and/or growth lessons involved for the individuals. But, ultimately, we're all completely interconnected, and we will either swim or sink with each other in the long term.

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To me, this explains so much and seeing how more people are now spiritually waking up and having twin flame experiences, I can see this as a large possibility at this point. Since the twin flame experience is becoming more widespread now, I think many of us are simply trying to figure out the nuts and bolts of this experience, especially when there is not a whole lot of information to gauge from except from personal accounts. Overall, it's an interesting theory to ponder from time to time.

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I think these kinds of connections and relationships have always been around, but part of the difference now, is that we are becoming more consciously aware of the deeper meaning, past, and/or implications of these types of connections. But it is possible that more Twin Souls are incarnating as romantic partner's in these cycles to accomplish specific works together. I feel that way about R and I, and also H and I.

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Also, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out, GalacticCoreExplosion. It's rather nice to have someone to talk to about this.

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I appreciate it as well, and feel similarly, so thank you Moongaze. We have some interesting synastric patterns such as your Pisces Moon is in my 8th House and is opposed both my Virgo Mars Jupiter (ruler of 5th and co-ruler of 8th) conjunction, and late Virgo Saturn (ruler of my Sun and Mercury and co-ruler of my Venus and 7th).

And my Libra Moon (ruler of my 12th) is closely conjunct your Libra DESC Vertex conjunction.

It would seem that it was perhaps somewhat fated for us to talk about closer relationships in relation to deeper, more spiritual and energetic context, and perhaps we have a spiritual connection from the past as well.

What I call the "Egyptian crowd" is and has been incarnating like crazy lately. There were A LOT of helper/service Souls, part of the same larger positive service to others Soul group that were incarnated then, and many became priestesses and priests, as well as craftspersons. Together, they accomplished quite an outstanding work and pattern of upliftment for the world. We do not yet know much, from a academic point of view, of this older Egyptian period because it appears as "prehistory" and was around 10, 500 B.C.

Edgar Cayce's work and guidance (one of the few psychic sources that I pay a lot of attention to), however talks quite a bit about this cycle and calls it one of the most momentous periods that the Earth has ever experienced. And in a reading for Edgar himself, dealing with the Great Pyramid, this past, forgotten Egyptian cycle, the great work that this service Soul group accomplished in the name of love of and service to humanity and the Source, his guidance says, "Is it not fitting then, that these must return...in those periods to come..."

A big hint hint that this Soul group of helper/service Souls would incarnate again for a similar purpose in this cycle--that of the spiritual upliftment of this world. This world, this humanity, has been in darkness for far too long. Changes are not only coming, but are seen by the very Creative Forces, as a necessity at this point.

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@moongaze Thank you. I got my appetite back, a week after the fevers stopped, but other things stuck around, like the extreme lack of energy, which improved when I started to take the DE, last year.

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Speaking only in generals, I think on average, those connected to female bodies tend to better intuitively understand the importance of feelings and allowing oneself to feel that wide spectrum.

Yes, indeed, no one that still has a human physical body is completely exempt from this. While I'm not in the slight bit religious (and haven't ever been in this life), I am still rather drawn to the teacher, example, life, and teachings of Yeshua ("Jesus"). I consider him an extremely advanced Soul, one who came here straight from the core of Source. Yet, even in him we see a difference between him pre and post resurrection. The difference being is that post resurrection, he was not dealing with a physical human body as we know and think of it, but more so a co-created thought form/translated directly from consciousness to physical type form, that is completely unlimited and no longer actually "human" at all, only in appearance.

But even he, while connected to a human form, had a moment of weakness and prayed that this bitter cup be taken from him, even though deep down he knew this was his true path and destiny and an important service. It was the influence of the body, which is a form of concentrated fear and selfishness as compared to the Soul and especially Spirit levels of us

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Oh, cool. I see Jesus in the same vein actually, but as I do for many of the prophets, sages, and mystics of our time. I also picture Jesus as a metaphor for the high consciousness within all of us, from man to invoking the God within. I believe if there is any general purpose to life, it is to grow spiritually. To aim for Christ Consciousness, a return to Source. How we were before we individualized ourselves into physical beings. The same can be said for Buddha, Krishna, Mithra, etc. I believe religion in itself aims to demonstrate that perspective in a way, but too many rules were casted and most of it has become corrupted. One of my theories is this was a product of the darker side of the Piscean Age seen through it's opposite sign, Virgo. A similar comparison can be made for the new Aquarian Age we are about to enter, or some argue has even perhaps just begun, with the whole "me, me, me social media narcissism/people just wanting their 15 seconds of fame" crowd -- the shadow side of Leo. I think devout religious beliefs, albeit VERY gradually, will at some point come to a halt in this new age.

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That's an interesting question to ponder, and it does seem likely that the more Yang polarized individual would have a harder time with it. I found this to be the case in both my core partner R's case, as well as the new person H's case. I'm actually a bit more Yin/Feminine polarized internally than both of them, and was more open, intuitive, and aware when we initially met. R has come a long way and we have had a balancing affect on each other, and she is quite open and aware. H always has had some of that to some degree, but there is a disconnect with her heart, partly due to that past life experience and partly due to sexual trauma in this life.

H is also very attuned to Uranus and is prone to Uranian extremes (which are different than Plutonian extremes, but no less intense).

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Huh, I wonder how long it took for your partner to reach that level of intuitive understanding. I mean, experience definitely sealed it for me, though I can see where there could be some stubbornness leftover among the factual crowd, so it could still take quite a bit of time to convince. I see more leeway among Uranian energy, but I suppose it depends more on the circumstances of the individual.

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I've had some experiences with and guidance communications about some different ET groups and ET's in general. Apparently some ET's exist in this androgynous or rather completely blended and beyond either form when they have a form, state. Some are purely nonphysical in nature, and blended/merged energetically/consciousness wise.

This is the Source state, hence it's only natural that we grow/remember back to this state, as our Spirit/Light Being selves were also originally in this fully integrated, balanced, and merged state. Interestingly, in a particularly intense guidance download, I was given information that the Source itself started off polarized to the Yin state before becoming an active Creator. Isn't it interesting how when more advanced, mammalian life starts out, it first always starts out female/Yin? This is one of those interesting, "As Above, So Below" reflection patterns that sometimes happen/can be observed.

I don't think the human physical body will necessarily change to reflect this like some ET groups have. And Bob Monroe's "He/She", well I strongly suspect that this person is connected to what appears to us as a male form, but because Bob was in an OBE state and primarily perceiving more energetically at the time, he was more so perceiving the inner radiation/emanation of this person, which is fully merged.

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That doesn't surprise me. I could imagine especially the highly evolved ETs exist energetically rather than physically. And the androgyny thing too, where non-duality exists in the higher dimensions. Huh, that is interesting about how Source began polarized in the yin state and how that connects biologically here on earth. Yeah, it's peculiar to see these patterns exist both physically and through a spiritual sense.

I do see where you are coming from. Maybe we'd still have our polarized forms, but yeah, energetically we'd be more androgynous. I do believe that's the next step in the evolutionary process, and that when our physical bodies evolve as well, it would go beyond the physical form. Maybe when the time comes for this earthly realm to expand even more dimensionally, we'd become light beings too. I think that is what you're referring to, that instead of evolving to an androgynous state physically, it would actually manifest energetically. No more meat suit.

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Speaking as one who has met a couple of individuals from my half of the larger Spirit self, the draw/attraction is not as intense with these individuals as it is with people/Souls from the other half of the Spirit. With one's own fellow half of Spirit members, it's more of a feeling of a long lost brother or sister and friend, which is very familiar and comfortable, but not the crazy strong attraction as with individuals from the other half of the Spirit.

But there has been odd synchroncities between all 3 of us. R (core partner) and I met H at the same party of a mutual friend in June. R and H have never met previously. R realized after us meeting and me starting to become friends with H. that they were already FB friends. R's maiden name contains H's first name within it.

R has Aries Moon, Taurus IC, and late Scorpio MC/Uranus conjunction. H is an Aries Sun, with ruling Planet Mercury in Taurus conjunct Taurus S. Node, and H's Moon is right on R's MC/Uranus. Uranus is very important in R's chart since she is Aqua Sun, Venus, and S. Node.

Rather interesting is that the night/morning after we all first met, R. had an intense dream about observing this smooth and very mottled black and brown caterpillar. Rather than go into a cocoon, at first and for awhile, this poor caterpillar was constantly shedding it's skin and in a very raw and painful state. When it finally went into the cocoon state, it emerged not as a butterfly, but as a hairy, white moth (interesting and very spiritual symbolism).

I just knew on a deep level that this dream was about H. and her state and path. I also know that in the short couple months of interaction, I had a strong catalyzing affect on her. Now what's interesting about this dream, is that about a couple months or so after R and I moved in together many years ago, she had a dream where she was viewing this black and dark red caterpillar that went into a cocoon state and emerged as a bright and deep blue and purple, beautiful butterfly. R knew that it was about her and her transformation, and she was so affected by the dream guidance message that she had it tattooed to her body.

I also had a very strong catalyzing affect on R., and to some extent vice versa. But my heart was more open at the time as I had already begun and been into a deep healing process before I had met her. R. was still holding onto a lot of childhood pain/wounding when we met.

Isn't it interesting that one, she even had a dream about H. to begin with, and not only that, but one that resembled in symbolism, her own dream about herself and her transformation from so many years ago?

But on a human personality level, R. views H. somewhat judgmentally. R. thinks that H. toyed with my heart too much and that she is somewhat immature/self centered (which is true), and also there is some shadow insecurity stuff going on. H is 14 years younger than R. and H is also physically extremely attractive and energetically alluring/charming. My very deep, strong, and holistic attraction to H. is somewhat threatening to R. on that ego/human personality level.

But deep down she knows that H. and I have a very strong Soul connection. She doesn't necessarily believe that H. and her are part of the same half of Spirit, but she also hasn't sought and received guidance like I have.

However, R. knows that her half of Spirit has at least a couple of other Souls/selves going on in our time/space cycle, as she has had a couple of guidance dreams making her aware of this. And interestingly, she had one of these dreams not long after us meeting H. But, it wasn't about H. specifically I don't think.

Every time that I made an intention to completely try to forget/let go of H., I would experience way above chance synchronicity, almost as if guidance was telling me, "no, don't try to completely forget about/detach from her". There are many examples to give, but I will just give one. At the height of this emotional pain, when I was driving to the trail head to fast, meditate-pray, tone/chant, and commune with nature to deal with these intense and difficult feelings, I passed by a 18 wheeler whose trailer had her last name in big letters all across it--apparently also the company name that the truck driver works for, but not a large nor common company (nor a super common last name like Smith, Jones, etc) and the only time I remember seeing such a truck. I first scowled, but then I laughed.

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Okay, that makes sense. I was thinking that perhaps once she became more integrated into the yin polarity, she could possibly feel the attraction as intensely herself. This is rather eye-opening. So, you think those people we attract as twin flame counterparts are part of our soul family? And that we'd meet others within the family that are part of the other polarity, and those people are who we would connect with? But since there are a plethora of different soul groups that exist, that it's very rare to find a person from the other half of our own. However, there are still multiples that exist. I think this is what you are getting at?

That is incredible about the dream. There is definitely a divine message there. Also, interesting on the catalyzing effect. I've always wondered how strong the other person would feel it, if they even did to the same degree of intensity as I did. I believe there was an initial attraction between me and the guy. I know I felt it immediately once he initiated contact. It was like nothing I ever felt before, and this was before the kundalini activation/heart center awakening, so I even knew then. I'm just not certain if he felt it similarly, or if he was as interested. Or maybe if there was any attraction, it diminished towards the end. I guess this is something I'll never know.

Hah, that's kind of funny how R doesn't believe H is from the same side of the soul group as her. It does make sense in theory considering the yin/yang polarity involved in TF attractions. That's cool that she's open to your attraction to your other counterpart though.

Yeah, the synchronicities are so bizarre! I'm often spooked by them, but I do appreciate these little magical moments in life. It's revealing of life's mystery and wonder, but also its absurdity.

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I understand. Part of it is that you are very sensitive and it's partially a defense mechanism or rather way of dealing with such intense sensitivity.

But a very important part of keeping one's heart open is engaging in honest, open, and fearless communication with others. In a very deep and archetypal sense, part of the meaning of Love is that of sharing positively intentioned information with others.

At the same time, happiness and peace doesn't really come from outside oneself, but more from within, and how self chooses to approach others, life, self, and creation in general.

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Yeah, I am sensitive, to a fault. I think I've been feeling the Saturn/Pluto transit after the 10th tremendously too. I had been under the weather lately, but recently been getting myself in order again.

This has been an enlightening talk. I agree that happiness does come from within. It's hard for me to express these deeper aspects of myself because I am so self-contained and fear appearing needy. I usually stay in my lane for this reason, but I do know I need to work on being more open with others. I pretty much need to be prodded with a stick before I vent out so easily.

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I understand what you are saying, but would point out that this is no less 'real life' than an in physical interaction. It's just missing some information that one can pick up on in physical interactions. But when two deep and sincere people are communicating in depth, it's less of a "loss of information".

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The sincerity is there when I communicate. However, I'm not very good at verbalizing in depth to others. Not sure why, I suppose I just have a harder time. I've always preferred the written word than communicating orally for this very reason.

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These are all great and pertinent questions, but as I mentioned earlier, it is best for one to go deeply within and directly commune/communicate with their own guidance system to figure out the answers to such questions. Sure, others/fellow humans, can help one to point one in certain helpful directions or the like, but ultimately, the more we go within, the better. Nothing better for that than deep meditation with the intention of communicating with one's guidance. I've learned via repeat experience that one can receive helpful, guidance sourced information during deep meditation, much like we have dreams that can be guidance messages. However, the forms and methods of receiving info can vary quite a bit from the dream form. Best to have no preconceptions as to the answers or how one will receive same.

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Yeah, I do understand. However, I'm not at a point yet where I can go deeply within to attain these answers, so having someone else light the way during a darkened period was necessary for me and also helped broaden my view on this topic.

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Tis an interesting theory. If we substitute the terms "Spirit" or "Original Light Being self" for the term of "older generation twin flames", it is not so different in it's essence from what I was outlining. As Souls and especially as Soul expressing through a human personality, we tend to not have as much conscious awareness as our Spirit level of self. And yet, at the same time, while we are like fingers/extensions of our palm/core self--it's all still really the same thing--the hand. A good metaphor for the difference and yet sameness of one's Soul vs Spirit levels of self.

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I forgot to elaborate on how there is this whole weird thing about the twin volunteers returning for their last lifetime here on earth because they are graduate souls or something of the like. And supposedly, this is something everyone would one day become, so it's not meant to be seen as anything special either. I'm not set in stone on any of this, just trying to connect pieces of a mysterious puzzle to hopefully better understand it. But yeah, I do see that beneath it all we are all part of the same.

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I don't tend to put too much stock in sources that get overly specific with this whole thing. As mentioned earlier, in both my experience and in observations of others, the only core, defining, common denominator trait of Twin Soul connections is that of a very deep, holistic, strong, and automatic psychic connection between the two. Bodies etc, don't necessarily figure too much into it. Twin Souls can be same sex, bi-ethnic, etc, etc when it comes to the bodies being involved.

H. is half Asian, which certainly isn't much of a compliment to my almost half Celtic (slightly predominate) and half Germanic ancestry.

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I think it goes beyond direct physicality because like you mentioned, there are gender, ethnic, and other differences. The complement would work based on whatever is encoded in our soul group, so it does go back to that soul group theory. At least that is how I would come to understand this. And maybe I am looking into this twin flame thing more than what it really is, but I don't understand the intense pain and heartache involved in it either. It has left me utterly confused and wondering if there is more. I am always seeking that core essence of something, so hearing from others' perspectives especially with more detail gives me some much needed info, but I also see how it can muddy things.

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Would say that I agree, in a general and over arching sense, in that at it's core, much of this is about attuning to a greater and more divine kind of Love, and doing so more and more collectively and raising the vibratory rates of humanity and perhaps even of the physical itself. Yet, at the same time, there are always individual and unique karmic and/or growth lessons involved for the individuals. But, ultimately, we're all completely interconnected, and we will either swim or sink with each other in the long term

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Hah, yeah, I think this is also where you and the person who stated this theory differ. He doesn't believe in karma, at the very least not after one undergoes a heart center awakening, because the awakening supposedly clears out all previous karma and leaves one in a clean slate. Yet, I am left agnostic on this myself.

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I appreciate it as well, and feel similarly, so thank you Moongaze. We have some interesting synastric patterns such as your Pisces Moon is in my 8th House and is opposed both my Virgo Mars Jupiter (ruler of 5th and co-ruler of 8th) conjunction, and late Virgo Saturn (ruler of my Sun and Mercury and co-ruler of my Venus and 7th).

And my Libra Moon (ruler of my 12th) is closely conjunct your Libra DESC Vertex conjunction.

It would seem that it was perhaps somewhat fated for us to talk about closer relationships in relation to deeper, more spiritual and energetic context, and perhaps we have a spiritual connection from the past as well.

What I call the "Egyptian crowd" is and has been incarnating like crazy lately. There were A LOT of helper/service Souls, part of the same larger positive service to others Soul group that were incarnated then, and many became priestesses and priests, as well as craftspersons. Together, they accomplished quite an outstanding work and pattern of upliftment for the world. We do not yet know much, from a academic point of view, of this older Egyptian period because it appears as "prehistory" and was around 10, 500 B.C.

Edgar Cayce's work and guidance (one of the few psychic sources that I pay a lot of attention to), however talks quite a bit about this cycle and calls it one of the most momentous periods that the Earth has ever experienced. And in a reading for Edgar himself, dealing with the Great Pyramid, this past, forgotten Egyptian cycle, the great work that this service Soul group accomplished in the name of love of and service to humanity and the Source, his guidance says, "Is it not fitting then, that these must return...in those periods to come..."

A big hint hint that this Soul group of helper/service Souls would incarnate again for a similar purpose in this cycle--that of the spiritual upliftment of this world. This world, this humanity, has been in darkness for far too long. Changes are not only coming, but are seen by the very Creative Forces, as a necessity at this point.

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This was an awesome exchange. I'm not good at expressing my gratitude well, let alone my emotions, but I really do appreciate it. Seriously. It's difficult to find those who are open enough to discuss these kinds of topics without looking at you as if you had just sprouted three heads, so this was refreshing for a change.

Oh cool, you're a Libra Mooner. Interestingly enough, I've noticed how I tend to get along very well with Libra Moons, despite this often making squares to many of my other Cardinal placements. I'm sure it was fated because I learned quite a lot from this to where it has deeply broadened my own perspective, so thank you. It was good to let this out, what has been a huge burden on my shoulders for quite some time now. Sometimes pain does need to be released in order to heal.

Woah, that is a heavy Northern Hemisphere chart! I'm sure you are very reserved and introverted, though having Pisces South Node in the 7th and Venus there near the descendant is really other focused. Quite the dynamic. I find Chiron on the MC from the 9th house rather interesting. I can definitely see the healing aspect of it based on our convo.

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Oh, cool. I see Jesus in the same vein actually, but as I do for many of the prophets, sages, and mystics of our time. I also picture Jesus as a metaphor for the high consciousness within all of us, from man to invoking the God within. I believe if there is any general purpose to life, it is to grow spiritually. To aim for Christ Consciousness, a return to Source. How we were before we individualized ourselves into physical beings. The same can be said for Buddha, Krishna, Mithra, etc. I believe religion in itself aims to demonstrate that perspective in a way, but too many rules were casted and most of it has become corrupted. One of my theories is this was a product of the darker side of the Piscean Age seen through it's opposite sign, Virgo. A similar comparison can be made for the new Aquarian Age we are about to enter, or some argue has even perhaps just begun, with the whole "me, me, me social media narcissism/people just wanting their 15 seconds of fame" crowd -- the shadow side of Leo. I think devout religious beliefs, albeit VERY gradually, will at some point come to a halt in this new age.

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Earlier on my path, I was fairly into Eastern philosophy and belief systems, and was more open ended with the above, similar to what you outlined. I figured it was all basically the same thing in different forms. I still more or less see in it in that core way, but having Virgo North Node in the 1st, I've been nudged to use my discrimination and discernment more and more. Especially so, once I started to communicate directly with guidance and asking specific questions, and not being satisfied with human/earthly answers and dogma.

Basically, my guidance has told me and confirmed what Cayce's guidance/work talks about a lot, such as reading that says something like, *out of all the thousands of teachers that have come to the earth to help lift up humanity, only Yeshua completely fulfilled the whole Law of Love* Or in other readings, speaking well of other teachers and traditions, but also saying that ultimately, they were stepping stones to the knowledge, awareness of Yeshua i.e. the ultimate/zenith example of Source attunement in the flesh.

Guidance has told me, and gave hints to a spiritually oriented, intuitive friend of mine, that Yeshua and Monroe's "He/She" are one in the same. And note that Monroe met him after he asked to meet the most mature (spiritually developed) human... Both Cayce and Monroe are highly respected, heavy hitters of direct revelations and nonphysical/spiritual information, and not lightly put aside.

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Huh, I wonder how long it took for your partner to reach that level of intuitive understanding. I mean, experience definitely sealed it for me, though I can see where there could be some stubbornness leftover among the factual crowd, so it could still take quite a bit of time to convince. I see more leeway among Uranian energy, but I suppose it depends more on the circumstances of the individual.

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After she started to have her own direct experiences that were way above chance, it didn't take too long for her to open up--it just kind of started snowballing.

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That doesn't surprise me. I could imagine especially the highly evolved ETs exist energetically rather than physically. And the androgyny thing too, where non-duality exists in the higher dimensions. Huh, that is interesting about how Source began polarized in the yin state and how that connects biologically here on earth. Yeah, it's peculiar to see these patterns exist both physically and through a spiritual sense.

I do see where you are coming from. Maybe we'd still have our polarized forms, but yeah, energetically we'd be more androgynous. I do believe that's the next step in the evolutionary process, and that when our physical bodies evolve as well, it would go beyond the physical form. Maybe when the time comes for this earthly realm to expand even more dimensionally, we'd become light beings too. I think that is what you're referring to, that instead of evolving to an androgynous state physically, it would actually manifest energetically. No more meat suit.

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Exactly! I intuit similarly, that humans are going to evolve beyond physical form. Consciousnesses that could translate into physical form if they want to or need to in order to communicate with those connected to physical forms, but beyond same themselves.

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Okay, that makes sense. I was thinking that perhaps once she became more integrated into the yin polarity, she could possibly feel the attraction as intensely herself. This is rather eye-opening. So, you think those people we attract as twin flame counterparts are part of our soul family? And that we'd meet others within the family that are part of the other polarity, and those people are who we would connect with? But since there are a plethora of different soul groups that exist, that it's very rare to find a person from the other half of our own. However, there are still multiples that exist. I think this is what you are getting at?

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It's natural for Twin Souls i.e. two halves of the same original, larger Spirit/Light Being, to be connected to the same Soul groups. But, as I was pointing out, it's not uncommon for a half of Spirit to have multiple Soul selves going on in the same or similar space/time cycles. It seems especially common today in our cycle. The reason why seems to be related to that there are so many bodies available, and because in the near to nearish future, the number of bodies available is likely to go way down (this is a cyclic thing that happens every 12, 000 years or so). So Spirits and Souls are maximizing their opportunity and getting all the experience they can now.

But the halves of Spirit that Twin Souls come from, set up lives and meetings based on their ultimate spiritual helpfulness to each other and to the collective. Sometimes they don't incarnate together or meet each other physically, but one acts as a guide/helper nonphysically.

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That is incredible about the dream. There is definitely a divine message there. Also, interesting on the catalyzing effect. I've always wondered how strong the other person would feel it, if they even did to the same degree of intensity as I did. I believe there was an initial attraction between me and the guy. I know I felt it immediately once he initiated contact. It was like nothing I ever felt before, and this was before the kundalini activation/heart center awakening, so I even knew then. I'm just not certain if he felt it similarly, or if he was as interested. Or maybe if there was any attraction, it diminished towards the end. I guess this is something I'll never know.

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I suspect in true Twin Soul cases, both tend to feel it pretty strongly, but it can differ in intensity between them depending on their individual openness, intuitive capacity, and degree of heart openeness. H claims that she didn't/doesn't feel as intensely for and towards me as I towards her, BUT she has Aries Sun, Virgo Rising with Mercury in early Taurus conjunct Taurus South Node, Scorpio Moon closely conjunct Pluto, and Pisces Venus conjunct Pisces Saturn in the 7th.

This tells me and any decent to good astrologer that she has a very powerful and active intellect (Aries Sun + Virgo Rising + strong Mercury), and tends to powerfully repress and/or control her emotions and heart oriented feelings and reactions (Scorp Moon/Pluto conjunction + Saturn conjunct Venus). That combined that she has experienced repeat sexual trauma from men, and still has unresolved issues with men and them having any kind of power over her, and her Venus is in my 8th House opposed my Mars, etc...

Well, it's also quite possible that she wasn't fully consciously open to her feelings and/or repressing the feelings that she was having. You don't stare at someone for so long as if high on Molly/E, and say, "I'm sorry I keep staring at you, you're just so nice to look at.." if you're not feeling some deeper and intense attraction. And why insist on walking me back to my vehicle, after having some physical interaction (which she later claimed she wasn't fully comfortable with, but seemed to be blissed out in pleasure by at the time), when we could have just as easily went our separate ways from the restaurant we were at? And when I was hugging her at that parting, sighing deeply and contendly like a cat on catnip being petted in it's most ideal way.

It's just as likely that the real issue/problem was, is that she had such deep and intense reactions to me when actually together and in proximity, that when she gained distance and detachment, she had to change the story because it was too overwhelming for her because of her attunement and her past/unhealed shadow.

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Hah, that's kind of funny how R doesn't believe H is from the same side of the soul group as her. It does make sense in theory considering the yin/yang polarity involved in TF attractions. That's cool that she's open to your attraction to your other counterpart though.

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It's easier for her to not believe it because of the human personality/ego/shadow stuff involved. If she sought and received guidance that confirmed that they were part of the same half of Spirit, and thus both my Twin Souls, then this would make it very hard for her to have issues with my attraction to her. It is easier for her to think that I'm just being deluded/self deceiving.

I am eternally grateful though, that I had the open option at the time, because I would have been mighty tempted otherwise. I cannot even begin to describe how much I felt like a giant magnet coming near another giant magnet of the opposite polarity, when I was in proximity of H. It was like nothing I've experienced, before or since. Even a bit more intense than when I met R., which was also pretty intense. That is because H. and I had a direct past life together where we were as merged and One as two different Souls in two different bodies could be. I know I'm a direct reincarnation of that Egyptian self, and I suspect that H. is also the direct reincarnation of her former Egyptian self.

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Yeah, the synchronicities are so bizarre! I'm often spooked by them, but I do appreciate these little magical moments in life. It's revealing of life's mystery and wonder, but also its absurdity.

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Synchronicities are one of the ways that guidance communicates with us, especially in cases where emotions are so involved and it can become hard to be more clear about things.

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Yeah, I am sensitive, to a fault. I think I've been feeling the Saturn/Pluto transit after the 10th tremendously too. I had been under the weather lately, but recently been getting myself in order again.

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Sensitivity is a difficult thing in this world, but I think it is very beautiful/worthwhile, especially when it's turned to others more than to self.

Yeah, Saturn Pluto has been rough on a lot of us with strong Cardinal placements. I hope you continue to feel better and better.

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This has been an enlightening talk. I agree that happiness does come from within. It's hard for me to express these deeper aspects of myself because I am so self-contained and fear appearing needy. I usually stay in my lane for this reason, but I do know I need to work on being more open with others. I pretty much need to be prodded with a stick before I vent out so easily.

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I more than understand. Spent the first half of my life, 20 years, being quiet, reserved, and uncommunicative to the point of moderate autistic like expression/behavior. But yes, as mentioned, open, fearless communication with others helps to open and keep the heart open.

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The sincerity is there when I communicate. However, I'm not very good at verbalizing in depth to others. Not sure why, I suppose I just have a harder time. I've always preferred the written word than communicating orally for this very reason.

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Definitely hear and feel yah on this one. I'm also better at writing than at speaking. Self tends to be more quiet in person than in venues like this. It's common among people that tend to be polarized to the introvert side of the spectrum, I think.

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Yeah, I do understand. However, I'm not at a point yet where I can go deeply within to attain these answers, so having someone else light the way during a darkened period was necessary for me and also helped broaden my view on this topic.

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True, and often guidance will nudge us to certain outer sources and individuals for reasons, with the caveat that we are not meant get over attached to one particular outer source, and that we know that it's ultimately better to go within when we can.

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I forgot to elaborate on how there is this whole weird thing about the twin volunteers returning for their last lifetime here on earth because they are graduate souls or something of the like. And supposedly, this is something everyone would one day become, so it's not meant to be seen as anything special either. I'm not set in stone on any of this, just trying to connect pieces of a mysterious puzzle to hopefully better understand it. But yeah, I do see that beneath it all we are all part of the same.

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Dunno. My partner R., had a dream where she was talking with a guide and the guide told her that this was probably my last human life. I think in the more narrow, Soul sense, rather than the Spirit sense. I suspect my half of the Spirit will have more lifetimes after mine. Other than that, I don't know how it all applies in a more universal sense. R. thinks she will probably have another life or two after this one.

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I think it goes beyond direct physicality because like you mentioned, there are gender, ethnic, and other differences. The complement would work based on whatever is encoded in our soul group, so it does go back to that soul group theory. At least that is how I would come to understand this. And maybe I am looking into this twin flame thing more than what it really is, but I don't understand the intense pain and heartache involved in it either. It has left me utterly confused and wondering if there is more. I am always seeking that core essence of something, so hearing from others' perspectives especially with more detail gives me some much needed info, but I also see how it can muddy things.

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The intense pain and heartache seems to be a natural reaction of becoming aware of such a powerful and very deep Love based connection, while not being able to be with that person. Granted, the belief of separation is somewhat illusionary, because in a very real and Spirit sense, we are already One with that person and their half of Spirit, BUT it's a little different when one is connected to a human animal body. It's hard to not feel such emotions.

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Hah, yeah, I think this is also where you and the person who stated this theory differ. He doesn't believe in karma, at the very least not after one undergoes a heart center awakening, because the awakening supposedly clears out all previous karma and leaves one in a clean slate. Yet, I am left agnostic on this myself.

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For someone like a Yeshua or He/She, karma doesn't really exist, because other than feeling other's suffering and being affected by that, nothing really hurts or phases them. They are beyond it all, and every choice, intention, action, thought is based in pure Love and they are in full harmony with the Source..so the only karma that exists for them is "positively charged" karma.

With that said, as far as humans go, this is not an easy state to get to, and heart openings while important, are not the ultimate iin our growth/remembrance process towards full Source and Oneness Consciousness. There are 3 more Centers to go after the 4th, and until you convert the physical body fully into a "body" of pure Light, well you are subject to the ego and to more typical suffering to some degree or another.

Sometimes I think people like to not believe in karma because it's a heck of a lot more convenient for the ego part of us to not believe in it. The knowledge and awareness of karma is a somewhat heavy one. To know that every negatively intentioned thought, intention, action, interaction has to be balanced by self at some point... Yeah, the ego part of us doesn't particularly like this knowledge/awareness.

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This was an awesome exchange. I'm not good at expressing my gratitude well, let alone my emotions, but I really do appreciate it. Seriously. It's difficult to find those who are open enough to discuss these kinds of topics without looking at you as if you had just sprouted three heads, so this was refreshing for a change.

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I'm glad you've enjoyed it, I have as well. Giving you a big Spirit hug of joy and appreciation. I hope this is just one open hearted and joyous communication in a long line of many such communications with many folks to come for you.

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Oh cool, you're a Libra Mooner. Interestingly enough, I've noticed how I tend to get along very well with Libra Moons, despite this often making squares to many of my other Cardinal placements. I'm sure it was fated because I learned quite a lot from this to where it has deeply broadened my own perspective, so thank you. It was good to let this out, what has been a huge burden on my shoulders for quite some time now. Sometimes pain does need to be released in order to heal.

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Yup. Makes sense since both your DESC and Vertex are Libra. One of the possible meanings of one person's Libra Moon conjunct the other DESC and/or in their 7th House, is a close, deeply emotional, past connection with each other, since Moon is very related to the past and to emotions, and 7th to closer relationships/connections.

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Woah, that is a heavy Northern Hemisphere chart! I'm sure you are very reserved and introverted, though having Pisces South Node in the 7th and Venus there near the descendant is really other focused. Quite the dynamic. I find Chiron on the MC from the 9th house rather interesting. I can definitely see the healing aspect of it based on our convo.

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Yes, as mentioned earlier, self spent a long while being very within, and yet, I have always been intensely focused on others as well, which the Libra Moon also relates to besides the factors you mentioned. I never cared much about things, places, and the outer in general, except for people, connections, and relationships.

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I find this Egyptian theory intriguing -- the "old ancestors." I've heard about how many of the young currently are supposedly reincarnating from this ancient lineage. I do notice generation Z in particular seems to be more spiritually inclined at a younger age than previous generations. Maybe it is also due to the state of the world we are living in, with the Age of Aquarius nearing much closer now that we are in the year 2020. Whatever the case, we do live in exciting times. It would be interesting to see how our world progresses from here onward. I feel it deep within that better things are ahead, even though it may seem extremely bleak at times. Admittedly I am an idealist and perhaps it is my rose-colored glasses tinting this, but I'd rather not give up so easily. I do see this mass awakening taking place, and I'm certain that it will have a positive effect on our world.

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Yeah, if you find it interesting, you should look into it more. I've found that a percentage of us Egyptian crowd folks, are also coming in with strong ET/other system dynamics, memories, etc as well. Many of us, were either graduates before Egypt, or became graduates after Egypt.

In self's case, I was both. Came in from a different system, and when I left the Earth, went back to the Stars. The pull of my home "peoples"/group and the Stars was VERY strong in that life, as it's been in this one.

Hence, especially those to whom this applies in some form or manner, we tend to be unusually psychic and spiritually aware beyond the average or beyond the average even for people that are more keyed in and conscious.

Course, many out of systemer's are coming in, who have not had any Egyptian or any human experiences either. It seems to be an ever growing/expanding process. I can usually tell fellow out of system'ers from their eyes. The eyes of these tend to be rather intense and/or unusual in some way.

This, despite that the various different groups they are coming from, can be fairly different from each other. They are all on different levels in their evolution to full conscious Source union, but all from the more positive groups, are at a faster vibratory, collective level than humans in a collective sense. These are the "higher grades" coming in to teach the young'ins through direct example, communication, etc.

I would be curious to know the exact percentage of out of system'ers to the long timer human Souls, but I suppose the exact specifics are not really that important.

As to probable future, well that is something I have been receiving info about starting around 12, and what initially catalyzed my conscious spiritual re-awakening in this life. Basically what I've been shown is that via nature and cosmic forces, there will be a global collapse, which obviously will be very difficult and challenging, but humans are going to get their collective shite together pretty quickly as to spiritually attuning.

Because money and technology will not be factors at this point. It will just be community and humans having to depend on other humans no matter ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion/belief systems, national allegiance, or any of the various differences that we so quickly turn into barriers of separation.

Basically, within about 10 years or so after the initial culmination of Earth/cosmic changes and collapse, people will start to become more and more like the North Native American tribes were, but even more psychic and spiritually oriented than these. Ultimately growing and growing towards Universal Love at a rapid rate.

So that in about a thousand years or so, we will be a species/group of collective Yeshuas or He/She's if that's less loaded for others to think of. Every single human alive then, will be like this. Fully awake to their true nature, purely attuned to Love and Source Consciousness, and beyond all current human limitations and illusions. Things/activities that many of us would call "miracles" will be a daily, common occurrence.

This, ironically, is not so unusual or fantastical, but it's actually our true and natural state of being. It's one that many ET groups already exist more or less in, especially as compared to humans.

I very much look forward to these developments. It's the only reason why I came. I've been told point blank by both outer psychics and my own inner guidance that I didn't have any major karma to balance in this life. I (from a Soul perspective) was off the hamster wheel when I decided to come back.