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cthonicstar
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posted January 14, 2020 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cthonicstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was reading up on Black Moon Lilith and found the concept to be intriguing as no one is without darkness.

Lilith's energy is being described as a mixture of Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto- sounds repressed, electrifying, and unapologetic.

With this in mind, could someone's chart be interpreted as heavier on those three planetary energies if they are Plutonian with prominent Lilith (on the angles, in the angular houses, or conjunct personal planets?)

Or just an overload of Plutonian energy with a feminine touch?

Perhaps a Persephone who's fed up with Hades' B.S. and went wild?

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posted January 14, 2020 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol well never mind then...

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posted January 14, 2020 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 14, 2020 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lilith makes a lot of aspects in my chart it's conjunct my chiron (sextile mercury, sextile moon/descendant, trine venus/ascendant, opposite uranus) it's part of a castle pattern actually

and i have a first house pluto (in placidus anyway) and sun sextile pluto

my chart is very venus heavy though with it being my chart ruler conjunct ascendant and in libra

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posted January 14, 2020 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need to check, but I think BML is conjunct the cusp of my fifth house.

Lilith itself, is close to my Mars, in the 4th house, square Moon/Venus/Nodes, trine my ascendant.

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posted January 15, 2020 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it can manifest in different ways. But most Scorpionic people, and probably Lilith people too, have to go through their own evolution learning how to handle the energy. I guess we can't use absolutes, but don't we have to get through our darkness to find our light?

I find the energy just lends to resilience, fierce dedication to their particular cause, indignation and maybe righteousness. And I feel like where Lilith is, that's where the native doesn't/can't/won't back down. Having more Scorpio in the chart echoes the resilience, but Lilith feels more in your face than Scorpio to me. Mess with the bull, you get the horns.

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posted January 16, 2020 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cthonicstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I think it can manifest in different ways. But most Scorpionic people, and probably Lilith people too, have to go through their own evolution learning how to handle the energy. I guess we can't use absolutes, but don't we have to get through our darkness to find our light?

I find the energy just lends to resilience, fierce dedication to their particular cause, indignation and maybe righteousness. And I feel like where Lilith is, that's where the native doesn't/can't/won't back down. Having more Scorpio in the chart echoes the resilience, but Lilith feels more in your face than Scorpio to me. Mess with the bull, you get the horns.


That's where I was leaning towards personally!

Forgive my primitive diction in the original post; I meant "darkness" as challenges or aspects of ourselves that we are not willing to face/working to hide instead of accepting it and using it positively.

I found this blog on Lilith through the Houses and enjoyed the interpretations and public figures' Lilith roles-

Pluto in Virgo

However, I'm still looking for interpretations on how Lilith interacts with Pluto and Saturn since those three seem tied together whenever Lilith comes up. Saturn is lessons to be learned, yes. Lilith teaches exactly that by being her unrelenting self; it makes sense that the two would work in tandem somehow to ensure that a lesson is being carried out for the native.

On that note, how would Pluto interact with Lilith? Would Pluto dredge up hidden truths and Lilith would broadcast them? Or would she use them/manipulate for her benefit?

I have yet to find enough Plutonian celebrities/public figures with a strong Lilith to study the patterns.

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posted January 17, 2020 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pluviophile123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, well my Lilith itself isn’t strongly aspected, however, it’s in my 8th house with Scorpio mars there as well. My sun, Mercury, and Pluto are in Scorpio in my 9th house. As corny and cliche this will probably sound, I enjoy mentally and physically possessing my SO. When I was younger I’d do this through emotional and physical manipulation tactics. These days I still use tactics lol, but not so much through manipulation. I’m too old and and tired to devote that kinda energy to molding people anymore lol 😬 but there are times in the present where I find myself subconsciously playing on their subconscious (?), if that makes sense. I’m a typical Scorpio that looks for hidden meanings and motives and repressed needs and wants in everything. I don’t even realize it in the moment, but I have looked back and realized I’ve done and said things to make my SO subtly aware (?) of what they REALLY want and need. And reading this now I also realize I guess I still do manipulate some >.< and that makes me feel unevolved these days :/ this is probably long and scattered lol, but it’s the best I can describe how I naturally am in relationships

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posted January 18, 2020 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cthonicstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Pluviophile123:
Hmm, well my Lilith itself isn’t strongly aspected, however, it’s in my 8th house with Scorpio mars there as well. My sun, Mercury, and Pluto are in Scorpio in my 9th house. As corny and cliche this will probably sound, I enjoy mentally and physically possessing my SO. When I was younger I’d do this through emotional and physical manipulation tactics. These days I still use tactics lol, but not so much through manipulation. I’m too old and and tired to devote that kinda energy to molding people anymore lol 😬 but there are times in the present where I find myself subconsciously playing on their subconscious (?), if that makes sense. I’m a typical Scorpio that looks for hidden meanings and motives and repressed needs and wants in everything. I don’t even realize it in the moment, but I have looked back and realized I’ve done and said things to make my SO subtly aware (?) of what they REALLY want and need. And reading this now I also realize I guess I still do manipulate some >.< and that makes me feel unevolved these days :/ this is probably long and scattered lol, but it’s the best I can describe how I naturally am in relationships

Reading your story gave me Lilith vibes! Do you do this with the intent of helping your SO or for your own gain? If it’s to help your SO, then Lilith has Saturnine tones here. But if it benefitted you at the same time? That could be Pluto at play and then we may have an example of Lilith-Saturn-Pluto working together!


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posted January 18, 2020 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cthonicstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@GalacticCoreExplosion, I enjoy reading your inputs! They challenge me to think in different ways and how I communicate as well; I need the reminders that there are more schools of thought than I’ll probably ever know in my lifetime.

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posted January 18, 2020 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pluviophile123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cthonicstar:
Reading your story gave me Lilith vibes! Do you do this with the intent of helping your SO or for your own gain? If it’s to help your SO, then Lilith has Saturnine tones here. But if it benefitted you at the same time? That could be Pluto at play and then we may have an example of Lilith-Saturn-Pluto working together!


Haha yeah! I remember when I first read about Lilith and then I saw where she was in my chart all I could do was say, -__- “yeah...”. Lol. And it’s 60% because I have their best interest at heart and 40% for my protection. Just gonna be honest 🤷‍♀️ And you’re good! Got that Lilith going on with a cappy Venus almost exactly conjunct my Saturn 🙃🙃🙃

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posted February 03, 2020 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This just reminded me of this thread - not the Plutonian part, but Lilith.
http://oxfordastrologer.com/2020/02/shakiras-channeling-the-wild-goddess.html


Pluto is apparently one of Eminem's dominant planets (along with Neptune and Venus), and I've just watched his video "Darkness". He has Lilith in Scorpio, and had a Jupiter return when Jupiter moved into Capricorn.

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posted February 07, 2020 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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