posted January 17, 2020 05:36 PM            

What has your experience been of ego/vanity trying to hijack or hide behind "spirituality" and what in your natal astrology shows your challenges with this?

posted January 17, 2020 07:51 PM            

As for sexy... well, that's not something I've ever striven to be. I don't even understand what that word means for the most part, since I don't feel sexual attraction myself. I'm not in the market for a sexual or romantic relationship, never will be, so I feel no need to be desired in that way.

The older I get the less I'm trying to impress overall. In most ways I show my authentic self. And I've always struggled with anything that feels pretentious. I can't sell myself worth a damn when writing job applications, I can't post a selfie without feeling uncomfortable etc... That's just not me. There is some sort of inner sense of dignity that won't allow me those sorts of attention seeking behaviour. I want to be appreciated for my own authentic self, for what I actually do, what I create, or for my competence at work. Or else not at all.

Where those traits are in my chart I've no idea. Third house Saggittarius Saturn opposite 9th house Gemini Sun maybe? 12th house Virgo Moon? Neptune on IC, Mars and Mercury on MC? Maybe even 10th house Lilith...

posted January 17, 2020 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Excellent article:
The New Deception: The "Sexy, Spiritual, Successful, Goddess"

What has your experience been of ego/vanity trying to hijack or hide behind "spirituality" and what in your natal astrology shows your challenges with this?

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posted January 18, 2020 01:23 PM              

but it wasn't that false instagram type of thing... we were just high schoolers / college kids and definitely not on perpetual vacation or in nice minimalist homes. lolz

however i do see that type of person in the article often, around the los angeles area where i'm at now! (before was in miami / sarasota, so obviously as you can imagine we were actual freaks instead of staged insta freaks... us florida people)

posted January 18, 2020 04:15 PM            

I really hope all young people, especially females learn to see through the deceptions so they don't fall into any kind of body dysmorphia or feeling less-than.

I also hope adults will think twice before perpetrating such things on the next generations.

posted January 18, 2020 04:25 PM            

It also shows that people will engage in this even when they don't have anything to sell (but themselves). They'll do it just to maintain a public image to those they don't even know. The human ego really knows no bounds.

We were trained for this by movies and TV. Especially American media. At least in Britain they have allowed elders and more realistic images of people onto TV shows. Except for the Golden Girls and Betty White it is hard to think of that happening on American TV.

posted January 29, 2020 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Bloody Dp!!!?!

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every time i see dp i never think "double post" first...

as for the article:

i'll be honest i actually see nothing wrong with marrying sexuality to spirituality and think the 2 go hand in hand so i see nothing wrong with that particular image

i think the idea of it being "lower" just stems from a society borne out of abrahamic influenced culture where that sort of thing is looked down upon

i think if it's faked for show that's one thing, but if it flows together naturally how is it an issue?

my views likely come from my initiation into the occult being through a dionysus calling dream so perhaps i'm bias but i can't see a reason to leave sex out of the equation and i can't say i'm particularly against women selling that brand of sexuality/spirituality

posted January 29, 2020 03:37 PM              

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
every time i see dp i never think "double post" first...

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LOL same i crack up every time

posted January 29, 2020 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
every time i see dp i never think "double post" first...

as for the article:

i'll be honest i actually see nothing wrong with marrying sexuality to spirituality and think the 2 go hand in hand so i see nothing wrong with that particular image

i think the idea of it being "lower" just stems from a society borne out of abrahamic influenced culture where that sort of thing is looked down upon

i think if it's faked for show that's one thing, but if it flows together naturally how is it an issue?

my views likely come from my initiation into the occult being through a dionysus calling dream so perhaps i'm bias but i can't see a reason to leave sex out of the equation and i can't say i'm particularly against women selling that brand of sexuality/spirituality

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posted January 30, 2020 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
every time i see dp i never think "double post" first...

as for the article:

i'll be honest i actually see nothing wrong with marrying sexuality to spirituality and think the 2 go hand in hand so i see nothing wrong with that particular image

i think the idea of it being "lower" just stems from a society borne out of abrahamic influenced culture where that sort of thing is looked down upon

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I'd have to agree, is this article not just another way of suppressing and shaming female sexuality? 

Older women can express spirituality "purely" because they're not also seen as being sexual? A younger woman's choice to not hide her beauty automatically means she's vain, cruel, and manipulative?  

As the author is a woman this article is a great example of just how deep and pervasive these beliefs can be amongst both genders in literally any context. Just to play the devil's advocate here

posted January 30, 2020 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Yeah, I dunno where I am exactly, but I don't think I'll be going back from here(but then again if I don't meditate for few days the effect seems to wear off...) But so far women have always kept looking better and better, its like I appreciate their "beauty" even more now...

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i've been meditating daily for about 8 years now, once i learned a 3rd eye meditation technique that worked it became a habit

i havent noticed if not doing it affects anything after a while because it's not something i've stopped doing

@Selenite
glad it's not just me then

@firemoon
that's honestly how i saw it too, almost like a way to repress sexuality and make it seem like this negative thing

i understand people are more than just their bodies and people can be sexy without being conventionally good looking even when they carry themselves a certain way or present a certain image and i don't see anything wrong with that

if a woman is feminine in that way and sexual and beautiful that doesn't negate anything spiritual and sex can be a spiritual experience anyway so denying that side of spirituality just seems to be stuck in moralistic values that stem from repression

sex, particularly tantric sex, can be a deeply intimate and spiritual experience and sexuality doesnt just work on one level it's visual too so there's nothing wrong with that

i think it's more the things she said about "pretending to meditate" that were an issue, not women who look a certain way and actually do also care about what they're doing

and yeah like you said taking care of yourself, diet, exercise there's deep benefits to those it's not just shallow

what we put in our bodies is deeply important and exercise makes us mindful of our physical form, it's grounding, because we interact with the world because we have a material form even if it isnt the sum of what we are

i also thought calling those things "dark" or "low" was a bit pointless, because there's no objective morality to say that and being sexual doesnt equate with promiscuity, vanity, or manipulation anyway

the whole article was a lot of projection anyway, not all women who embody that kind of energy are just "faking it" for validation

beauty in and of itself being revered isn't at all wrong anyway

posted January 30, 2020 11:39 AM            

However, to some extent, this feels to have been somewhat by deeper design (and not solely a lack of self's part). If I meditated as consistently as you (because my meditations tend to be very deep and expanded), I just know that I would be a heck of a lot more open and aware than I already am.

Such awareness, openness, and sensitivity would be rather difficult in this world as it currently is. I know this, because that is how I was when a young child--completely wide open like a giant, raw heart that felt everything (and most of what I felt was suffering). That was a rather heavy experience.

Guidance has told me from both within and without that I will fully re-open to that again, but all in due time. (just pre or post collapse).

Anyways, kudos to you for your discipline in this area.

As to this thread and ego, I've gradually become more accepting of the ego levels of self and others as time has gone on. I use to more so battle against it in relation to self.

But I've found the only way to "defeat" or "overcome" the ego, is to gradually weaken it by attuning more and more to pure Love. Meanwhile, I've become aware and have come to accept that as long as I'm connected to a human animal physical body, I will always have some ego.

This is not to say that we should try to resonate or strengthen same, but rather that even ego has it's place and function in this world (ego is like Soul earplugs for being in a VERY loudly chaotic noise environment), and it's far better to put the majority of one's focus on Love, both of others AND of self.