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Kannon McAfee
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posted January 17, 2020 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent article:
The New Deception: The "Sexy, Spiritual, Successful, Goddess"

What has your experience been of ego/vanity trying to hijack or hide behind "spirituality" and what in your natal astrology shows your challenges with this?

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posted January 17, 2020 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hahaha I loved this:



Words of wisdom:
"When we use our image to lure others in so that people will be distracted by aesthetics instead of the inner aspects of ourselves, when we attempt to hypnotize by this image so that others treat us with a certain way, we are using power of the lower vital urges to draw people in. Our lower self, insecure and never satisfied, continuously feeds off the energy that this attention gets us."

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posted January 17, 2020 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic~Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautiful
Thank you

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posted January 17, 2020 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's been rather the other way around for me. All my life I've wanted to impress by being competent, logical, rational, practical, realistic... anything that's the antithesis of spiritual. Spirituality is something I embrace in secret... between the shadow and the soul as it were.

As for sexy... well, that's not something I've ever striven to be. I don't even understand what that word means for the most part, since I don't feel sexual attraction myself. I'm not in the market for a sexual or romantic relationship, never will be, so I feel no need to be desired in that way.

The older I get the less I'm trying to impress overall. In most ways I show my authentic self. And I've always struggled with anything that feels pretentious. I can't sell myself worth a damn when writing job applications, I can't post a selfie without feeling uncomfortable etc... That's just not me. There is some sort of inner sense of dignity that won't allow me those sorts of attention seeking behaviour. I want to be appreciated for my own authentic self, for what I actually do, what I create, or for my competence at work. Or else not at all.

Where those traits are in my chart I've no idea. Third house Saggittarius Saturn opposite 9th house Gemini Sun maybe? 12th house Virgo Moon? Neptune on IC, Mars and Mercury on MC? Maybe even 10th house Lilith...

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posted January 17, 2020 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think everyone wants to feel desired so I am thinking to some extent everyone struggles with this lower self that wants that validation. I suppose the question is more how much do you struggle with it? have you learned to notice it when it happens but not feed that side of you? since we are humans I don't think is possible to completely eliminate this, is build into our biology, sex sells for a reason but we can learn to be more aware of this and not let it rule our life as much. Part of the human experience is this physical body we are in after all and enjoying the pleasures that come with it but also without letting it control us, finding a balance is the key IMO.

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posted January 17, 2020 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Excellent article:
The New Deception: The "Sexy, Spiritual, Successful, Goddess"

What has your experience been of ego/vanity trying to hijack or hide behind "spirituality" and what in your natal astrology shows your challenges with this?


I am acquainted with a woman like this, although I haven't spoken to her for a couple of years. I still occasionally read her posts on a forum, and this fits her right now. I don't know if she does the selfie thing, though.

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posted January 17, 2020 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 18, 2020 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know of the Grandma Gamer!

There are a lot of guys who are just awful to younger women who game, though.

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posted January 18, 2020 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would be lying if I said I didn't need validation from others, because I often do, since I often feel so lost. But I find that even if I get validation I still feel a void in me and uncertainty. And to me what I feel about myself is more important and more fulfilling than seeking validation from others. It's hard though because I doubt myself a lot, and a lot of times Im not sure of anything. So I don't know.. at the end of the day, validation and other peoples perception are not fulfilling.

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Haha, this trend was SO popular for my friends from high school, and the people at this specific college some of my friends ended up at. my friends and i would channel energy of different goddesses we wanted to embody, using ritual manifestations, doing spells all the time, going to drum circles, hula hooping on acid, trying to be as 'enlightened' as possible it was all in good fun and empowering actually.

but it wasn't that false instagram type of thing... we were just high schoolers / college kids and definitely not on perpetual vacation or in nice minimalist homes. lolz

however i do see that type of person in the article often, around the los angeles area where i'm at now! (before was in miami / sarasota, so obviously as you can imagine we were actual freaks instead of staged insta freaks... us florida people)

people can turn anything into a contrived fad. it's so lame.

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posted January 18, 2020 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These new electronic tools that allow world wide connections or publicity by anyone with a phone in their hands is that these tools of themselves don't improve life. They only amplify or extend the reach of the thoughts, attitudes, beliefs already inside us (at least at first). And it's why I don't believe one bit in notions of "progress" that point to technological developments and toys as innate definers of it.

I really hope all young people, especially females learn to see through the deceptions so they don't fall into any kind of body dysmorphia or feeling less-than.

I also hope adults will think twice before perpetrating such things on the next generations.

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posted January 18, 2020 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrologically, it seems to me that Uranian developments of electronics generally have further energized the next outer planet, Neptune, in the life of the average person:
tools that allow one to manipulate one's image and cover up "flaws" so as to project a false, superficial ideal.

It also shows that people will engage in this even when they don't have anything to sell (but themselves). They'll do it just to maintain a public image to those they don't even know. The human ego really knows no bounds.

We were trained for this by movies and TV. Especially American media. At least in Britain they have allowed elders and more realistic images of people onto TV shows. Except for the Golden Girls and Betty White it is hard to think of that happening on American TV.

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posted January 18, 2020 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cthonicstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Posting on social media is not a bad thing in itself; itís when people lose sight of the reason (or have malicious intents) to have social media in the first place that becomes problematic.

Astrology-wise, I see a lot of Leo at play for the motivating need for glory. Possibly with a combination of Neptune-Pluto for the camera/image surveillance? Neptune can cloud the self from understanding who they are so they seek constant validation. Itís just right now everything is focused on ďself-careĒ and that includes spirituality so of course the attention-hungry are going to focus on that. Itís another way for society to blame the individual again instead of the flawed system.

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posted January 29, 2020 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic~Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a great thread!

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posted January 29, 2020 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bloody Dp!!!?!

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posted January 29, 2020 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my experience, spiritual seeking most of the times begins because one's ego wants to conquer it (infact "one" is the "ego" until a certain point, it is rare that one can separate oneself from the ego right at the start, it takes a bit of awareness), at times it has been that way for me and at times it has not been...... But the important thing is to go till the very end..

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posted January 29, 2020 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Bloody Dp!!!?!

every time i see dp i never think "double post" first...

as for the article:

i'll be honest i actually see nothing wrong with marrying sexuality to spirituality and think the 2 go hand in hand so i see nothing wrong with that particular image

i think the idea of it being "lower" just stems from a society borne out of abrahamic influenced culture where that sort of thing is looked down upon

i think if it's faked for show that's one thing, but if it flows together naturally how is it an issue?

my views likely come from my initiation into the occult being through a dionysus calling dream so perhaps i'm bias but i can't see a reason to leave sex out of the equation and i can't say i'm particularly against women selling that brand of sexuality/spirituality

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posted January 29, 2020 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
every time i see dp i never think "double post" first...



LOL same i crack up every time

i agree with the rest of your post too...

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posted January 29, 2020 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol ya'all must have watched too much Porno!...

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posted January 29, 2020 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
every time i see dp i never think "double post" first...

as for the article:

i'll be honest i actually see nothing wrong with marrying sexuality to spirituality and think the 2 go hand in hand so i see nothing wrong with that particular image

i think the idea of it being "lower" just stems from a society borne out of abrahamic influenced culture where that sort of thing is looked down upon

i think if it's faked for show that's one thing, but if it flows together naturally how is it an issue?

my views likely come from my initiation into the occult being through a dionysus calling dream so perhaps i'm bias but i can't see a reason to leave sex out of the equation and i can't say i'm particularly against women selling that brand of sexuality/spirituality


Yeah, I dunno where I am exactly, but I don't think I'll be going back from here(but then again if I don't meditate for few days the effect seems to wear off...) But so far women have always kept looking better and better, its like I appreciate their "beauty" even more now...

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posted January 30, 2020 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for firemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
every time i see dp i never think "double post" first...

as for the article:

i'll be honest i actually see nothing wrong with marrying sexuality to spirituality and think the 2 go hand in hand so i see nothing wrong with that particular image

i think the idea of it being "lower" just stems from a society borne out of abrahamic influenced culture where that sort of thing is looked down upon


I'd have to agree, is this article not just another way of suppressing and shaming female sexuality?†

Older women can express spirituality "purely" because they're not also seen as being sexual? A younger woman's choice to not hide her beauty automatically means she's vain, cruel, and manipulative?††

As the author is a woman this article is a great example of just how deep and pervasive these beliefs can be amongst both genders in literally any context. Just to play the devil's advocate here

I started doing hot yoga regularly a year ago and let me tell you.. it was gross, clumsy, and I'm sure downright unattractive in the beginning. Yet my ego was never in the driver's seat. I know now getting your body into shape, showing some skin while doing it, and delving deeper into spirituality can actually all coincide.† †

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posted January 30, 2020 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Yeah, I dunno where I am exactly, but I don't think I'll be going back from here(but then again if I don't meditate for few days the effect seems to wear off...) But so far women have always kept looking better and better, its like I appreciate their "beauty" even more now...

i've been meditating daily for about 8 years now, once i learned a 3rd eye meditation technique that worked it became a habit

i havent noticed if not doing it affects anything after a while because it's not something i've stopped doing

@Selenite
glad it's not just me then

@firemoon
that's honestly how i saw it too, almost like a way to repress sexuality and make it seem like this negative thing

i understand people are more than just their bodies and people can be sexy without being conventionally good looking even when they carry themselves a certain way or present a certain image and i don't see anything wrong with that

if a woman is feminine in that way and sexual and beautiful that doesn't negate anything spiritual and sex can be a spiritual experience anyway so denying that side of spirituality just seems to be stuck in moralistic values that stem from repression

sex, particularly tantric sex, can be a deeply intimate and spiritual experience and sexuality doesnt just work on one level it's visual too so there's nothing wrong with that

i think it's more the things she said about "pretending to meditate" that were an issue, not women who look a certain way and actually do also care about what they're doing

and yeah like you said taking care of yourself, diet, exercise there's deep benefits to those it's not just shallow

what we put in our bodies is deeply important and exercise makes us mindful of our physical form, it's grounding, because we interact with the world because we have a material form even if it isnt the sum of what we are

i also thought calling those things "dark" or "low" was a bit pointless, because there's no objective morality to say that and being sexual doesnt equate with promiscuity, vanity, or manipulation anyway

the whole article was a lot of projection anyway, not all women who embody that kind of energy are just "faking it" for validation

beauty in and of itself being revered isn't at all wrong anyway

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posted January 30, 2020 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dumuzi, I wish I had your discipline in that area! While I've been practicing meditation for the last 27 years, it rarely has been super consistent.

However, to some extent, this feels to have been somewhat by deeper design (and not solely a lack of self's part). If I meditated as consistently as you (because my meditations tend to be very deep and expanded), I just know that I would be a heck of a lot more open and aware than I already am.

Such awareness, openness, and sensitivity would be rather difficult in this world as it currently is. I know this, because that is how I was when a young child--completely wide open like a giant, raw heart that felt everything (and most of what I felt was suffering). That was a rather heavy experience.

Guidance has told me from both within and without that I will fully re-open to that again, but all in due time. (just pre or post collapse).

Anyways, kudos to you for your discipline in this area.

As to this thread and ego, I've gradually become more accepting of the ego levels of self and others as time has gone on. I use to more so battle against it in relation to self.

But I've found the only way to "defeat" or "overcome" the ego, is to gradually weaken it by attuning more and more to pure Love. Meanwhile, I've become aware and have come to accept that as long as I'm connected to a human animal physical body, I will always have some ego.

This is not to say that we should try to resonate or strengthen same, but rather that even ego has it's place and function in this world (ego is like Soul earplugs for being in a VERY loudly chaotic noise environment), and it's far better to put the majority of one's focus on Love, both of others AND of self.

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