posted January 21, 2020 11:26 AM            

Do you have any astrologer signatures and/or sources?

I have the passion of one but not interested in sales nor do I have the talent through counseling, like a normal astrologer, etc.

My expertise seems to be more of a thinker/researcher/inventor type (Uranus on NN), which may or may not be associated with astrology.

I'm still rectifying my chart so the Moon and houses could be off.

The sections below include:

(1) The 27° Leo – Aquarius axis

(2) The polarity point at 11° Pisces

(3) 18° of a Mutable sign

(4) The Muse of Astronomy
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...here are the astrologer’s degrees according to deVore:

From 22° – 28° Aquarius.
From 25° – 29° Leo.

With particular emphasis being given to the 27° Leo – Aquarius axis.
http://chirotic.com/2008/06/16/the-astrologers-degrees-a-study-of-the-evidence/
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Furthermore, 11° Virgo is considered an astrologer’s degree, no doubt with a very tight orb, thus 10° – 12° of Virgo and there may be a polarity point at 11° Pisces...
http://chirotic.com/2008/06/16/the-astrologers-degrees-a-study-of-the-evidence/
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18° of Mutable signs...
http://chirotic.com/2008/06/16/the-astrologers-degrees-a-study-of-the-evidence/
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Showing my Urania asteroid on my Sun and DNA and Discovery asteroids on my Mercury.

Urania (Uranya as a variant form) (/jʊəˈreɪniə/; Ancient Greek: Οὐρανία, Ourania; meaning "heavenly" or "of heaven") was, in Greek mythology, the muse of astronomy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urania

posted January 22, 2020 08:45 AM            

Saturn is at 18° Sagittarius.

Nothing of note in the designated areas of Leo and Aquarius.

My Uranus is contraparallel to Sun and MC. Saturn is opposite Sun and Chiron. Mercury is conjunct Mars on the Midheaven, aspecting Moon, Neptune and Pluto.

Urania is at 19° Leo, trine Saturn but otherwise doesn't doo much. It is conjunct asteroid Skepticus though, which I find very fitting, because I am a skeptic at heart when it comes to astrology.

So, I guess I have some of the signatures. I've never wanted to make my interest in astrology into anything more than a hobby though.

posted January 22, 2020 09:54 AM            

Fine line there..

I laugh at myself. In school, I had a problem with math. NOT a problem doing the math equations-- but a problem 'believing' that those answers could be trusted.

Had two math teachers who LOVED to try to 'prove' that challenge to me. It gave them a chance to show-off, and gave them a break from mundane teaching.

You can have the number "1".
That's pretty concrete when you see 1-apple.

When you start to talk "0" ? .. and say apple..
then you have to have "faith" that apple is IN existence, if apple was introduced as a 'label' in your own experience-bank. You have to believe that 0-apple is the precursor to apple existing, and that you "may" be seeing apple come into concreteness with 1-apple's arriving on the scene.

Same with WHOLE degrees. Is it a 'line' or a 'space'-for line to exist. {e.g. Sabian symbols}.

I have multiple indicators of astrology talents.
One of things you have to do is to be good at abstracting.

I love the use of asteroids (as some folks well-know).

I'm not going to go into all those various factors right now. Too much distraction in my environment (grrrr).

As far as 30 Urania goes?
I have Urania r Libra 23.45 on F.Ss.Spica/Arcturus,
25000 Astrometria r Libra 24.16
near my Neptune r Libra 25.50,
in the 10th House Libra.

Natal 6630 Skeptikus Aquarius 23.30 H2cap.

ref
to item in 'Chirotic Journal' article--
I have Vertex 24.53 conjunct Uranus Cancer 25.01 on F.S.Procyon,
in the 8th House.

Using astrological systems----
I also want to say that WHEN we 'measure' a thing, scientifically, it's important to know WHICH SYSTEM of astrology you are using.

For example, Libra 23+ in Sidereal(Constellation) is in a different part of sky-space than Zodiac Tropical degrees.

My dad was a good carpenter.
He always said when cutting multiple pieces of wood, you never cut another piece of lumber from the piece that you just cut. The measurement expands if you do.
Always use the same piece of wood (as your 'original') for EACH other piece you're going to measure your cuts from. Accuracy.

So. I know people are fond of switching around rules-and-measures for 'where' and 'what' their chart placements show?

It could be possible to confuse self VERY much when you take another astrologer's system defined-meanings, then apply those as 'true' to a much-different system. Sometimes, they use similar vocabulary but are VERY different.

It makes a nice 'exercise' of the mind to be able to mentally take the basics of 'how' astrology works and just improve the elasticity of your brain... but not ALL of that activity is "meaningful" as each different system was made with specific rules, for determining its own unique outcomes.

Mundane astrology is different, AND, VERY close to Natal astrology. But you NEED to know the specifics of the ONE set system.

Everything else, is 'play'.

And, sometimes we make Discoveries as we 'play'. Play is good.

posted January 22, 2020 08:35 PM            

This might be a slower thread but I'll try to place some more info in it.

I downloaded a pdf document with deVore's direct references.

posted January 23, 2020 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I downloaded a pdf document with deVore's direct references.

Search for: Encyclopedia of Astrology and Nicholas deVore.

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Thanks!

- http://www.astrologiahumana.com/1two85kx8wu79mgk7jzy.pdf

posted January 23, 2020 02:44 PM            

Alan Leo's chart was used in an example in the source of the main article:
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Leo,_Alan

posted January 24, 2020 06:29 PM            

Astrology is more associated with Jupiter -- breadth of thought, skyward view -- and with transpersonals Uranus and Neptune, especially Uranus, which is the planetary ruler of astrologer.

Uranus: Especially aspects with Sun, Moon, Mercury, MC. I have Uranus quincunx Sun, square Moon, sesquisuare Mercury (and exactly trine Mars).

The site you've linked seems at first to have done a thorough study of the topic until you begin reading the text of the first example, Alan Leo. The comment is made ...

quote:

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Uranus: in the 10th, so career configured, but not much otherwise.

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However, a brief glance at the aspectarian of Alan Leo's chart shows: Uranus sextile Sun, Moon, and Jupiter, 15' from exact quintile to Neptune.

The article contains some insights, but Uranus is the planet key to astrology.

posted January 24, 2020 07:33 PM            

Here is a list of astrologers that can be accessed for study.

There are several pages so the "next page" link can be activated.

I'm not sure if I have the ability to download them in a text file so I can analyze them using computer code.

Category:Vocation : Occult Fields : Astrologer
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Vocation_:_Occult_Fields_:_Astrologer

For example, here is Liz Greene's chart. Notice her Sun's location and Uranus on her NN.

The Uranus NN Midpoint is close to 18° of a mutable sign:
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Greene,_Liz

posted January 28, 2020 03:05 PM            

Thank-you for your reply 29TAU.

I think those placements quoted above are significant.

On your chart, what would your birth time "difference" be to position your Vertex at 11 degrees Pisces?

posted January 28, 2020 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by 29TAU:
Adding 5 minutes to my birth time would put my Vertex at 11 Pisces and POF at 10 Virgo!

I also have my draconic Pluto at 11 degrees Pisces.

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It's possible someone underestimated your birth time, even if it was on a birth certificate.

posted January 28, 2020 09:53 PM            

Demetra George:
Uranus in aspect to every personal, except Sun, plus Jupiter.

Chosen at random by searching ADB for "astrologer" ...

Eva Stangenberg, German astrologer and head of an astrology school:
- No factors at +/-18° mutables.
- Uranus square Sun & Mars, trine Moon & Jupiter;
- Moon-Jupiter conjunction in Aquarius adds to Uranus signature.

Ute Flörchinger, German professional astrologer:
- No factors at +/-18° mutables.
- Uranus in aspect to every personal planet, including wide square to Mercury.
- Uranus parallel Venus.

Paul Hewitt, Canadian professional astrologer:
- Saturn 8° Virgo.
- Uranus opposite Moon.
- Uranus [23N38] within 1.5° of parallel to C-rated Asc [22N09].

Theo Ram, Dutch astrologer and author whose work had a strong influence on astrology in his country:
- Nothing within 1° of 18° of mutables.
- Uranus square Sun & Mars.

I suppose my point is that it is not guaranteed that any astrologer may have some of these other sign-based factors, but they'll always have Uranus in a particular condition by aspect, etc, that will at least point to some propensity to follow Uranian thinking whether or not it is trendy or supported by their surrounding culture. When you factor that in with some of the 8th, 9th, and 12th house factors in many of these charts you can see the patterns forming, especially with Jupiter, Neptune.

posted February 08, 2020 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Eva Stangenberg, German astrologer and head of an astrology school:
- No factors at +/-18° mutables.
- Uranus square Sun & Mars, trine Moon & Jupiter;
- Moon-Jupiter conjunction in Aquarius adds to Uranus signature.

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Eva qualifies for the deVore degrees in Aquarius because her Moon is at 22 and Jupiter at 23-24:

...here are the astrologer’s degrees according to deVore:

From 22° – 28° Aquarius.
From 25° – 29° Leo.

With particular emphasis being given to the 27° Leo – Aquarius axis.

http://chirotic.com/2008/06/16/the-astrologers-degrees-a-study-of-the-evidence/

posted February 08, 2020 05:45 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Ute Flörchinger, German professional astrologer:
- No factors at +/-18° mutables.
- Uranus in aspect to every personal planet, including wide square to Mercury.
- Uranus parallel Venus.

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Ute qualifies for the deVore degrees in Aquarius because her Saturn is at 23 and her Leo Mars is at 25:

...here are the astrologer’s degrees according to deVore:

From 22° – 28° Aquarius.
From 25° – 29° Leo.

With particular emphasis being given to the 27° Leo – Aquarius axis.

http://chirotic.com/2008/06/16/the-astrologers-degrees-a-study-of-the-evidence/

posted February 08, 2020 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Paul Hewitt, Canadian professional astrologer:
- Saturn 8° Virgo.
- Uranus opposite Moon.
- Uranus [23N38] within 1.5° of parallel to C-rated Asc [22N09].

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Paul has The Muse of Astronomy Urania on his NN: