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dribaby
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posted January 21, 2020 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dribaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would this transit bring anyone from the past back like an old friend or lover? I'm currently going through this transit and received a message from someone I haven't spoken to in years! Could this transit be the reason?

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posted January 21, 2020 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well the transit certainly didn't cause it, but as symbols correlating with events, Saturn has long been known as a karmic and past oriented symbol, and Venus is very connected to closer relationships, so yes, indeed, such a pattern can correlate in a synchronistic way, with the event you experienced.

I would also look at the 7th and/or the ruler of same, the Moon and/or it's ruler, the South Node and/or it's ruler, and the 4th and/or it's ruler as these are all very related to closer relationships or the past.

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posted January 21, 2020 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus did it for me - and here are the rest of the transits for that day.

Moon was conjunct my Leo MC.
Sun sextile Sun.
Mercury square Jupiter/Pluto, trine ascendant and Mars.
Venus was close to a Venus return, my Moon/Venus/SN conjunction.
Mars conjunct Saturn
Jupiter trine our Mercury/Mercury conjunction
Saturn square our Mercury/Mercury conjunction * This also happened in December, when we reconnected again.
Uranus conjunct my descendant and their Sun/Moon (widely), opposed my Uranus/ascendant, sextile my Mars and his Mars/Saturn.
Neptune conjunct his Venus.
Pluto square Mercury/Ceres/Chiron/Sun and his Mercury/Chiron.
NN square Mercury.
Chiron conjunct Jupiter.

That was a couple of weeks before I responded to him. I was stunned that he had emailed me. We hadn't spoken since 2011/2012.

Mercury was exactly on his ascendant, too, trine our Mercury/Mercury conjunction.

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posted January 22, 2020 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dribaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Well the transit certainly didn't cause it, but as symbols correlating with events, Saturn has long been known as a karmic and past oriented symbol, and Venus is very connected to closer relationships, so yes, indeed, such a pattern can correlate in a synchronistic way, with the event you experienced.

I would also look at the 7th and/or the ruler of same, the Moon and/or it's ruler, the South Node and/or it's ruler, and the 4th and/or it's ruler as these are all very related to closer relationships or the past.


I agree! And I have three planets currently transiting my 7th house and Saturn is the ruler so that's why people from the past is coming forth.

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posted January 22, 2020 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dribaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Uranus did it for me - and here are the rest of the transits for that day.

Moon was conjunct my Leo MC.
Sun sextile Sun.
Mercury square Jupiter/Pluto, trine ascendant and Mars.
Venus was close to a Venus return, my Moon/Venus/SN conjunction.
Mars conjunct Saturn
Jupiter trine our Mercury/Mercury conjunction
Saturn square our Mercury/Mercury conjunction * This also happened in December, when we reconnected again.
Uranus conjunct my descendant and their Sun/Moon (widely), opposed my Uranus/ascendant, sextile my Mars and his Mars/Saturn.
Neptune conjunct his Venus.
Pluto square Mercury/Ceres/Chiron/Sun and his Mercury/Chiron.
NN square Mercury.
Chiron conjunct Jupiter.

That was a couple of weeks before I responded to him. I was stunned that he had emailed me. We hadn't spoken since 2011/2012.

Mercury was exactly on his ascendant, too, trine our Mercury/Mercury conjunction.


Uranus is full of surprises so it will do it

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posted January 22, 2020 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I agree! And I have three planets currently transiting my 7th house and Saturn is the ruler so that's why people from the past is coming forth.

Well the real reason is that your Expanded self and the Expanded selves of others, are conspiring on a level that your personality/conscious mind is unconscious to, to re-initiate these connections/relationships, perhaps for reasons related to lessons, karma, and/or perhaps some other reason that goes beyond human understanding.

The astrology then just reflects and correlates with what's going on in consciousness (in the deeper and often unconscious to us levels), as to some extent, the past, present, and future are one, and the future runs in terms of greater to lesser probabilities.

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posted January 26, 2020 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 27, 2020 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dribaby:
Would this transit bring anyone from the past back like an old friend or lover? I'm currently going through this transit and received a message from someone I haven't spoken to in years! Could this transit be the reason?

Ehm...be careful of this. Saturn can function with the patterns of the Moon in its tail i.e romanticising about past loves because of the internal loneliness that can echo so loudly during this transit.

Romanticising (Venus) the past(Saturn) or yearning for what was etc. Could have you become more vulnerable around this time.

Dont mean to sound all doom and gloom. I had a terrible experience with an old love during the Saturn-Venus transit (coinciding with my Saturn return).

I was a lot more vulnerable and lonely that thought. And to the ex concerned, I was a "convenient" past time.

I was so nostalgic I didn't realise how I was not at my best and became heartbroken when he (ex) went casually off on his way(and that simultaneously reminded me of why they are an "ex").

I dont think Saturn on Venus is a time for love at all.I see it as the "celibacy" transit-both physically and emotionally imo.


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posted January 27, 2020 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a general caution, would tend to agree with you Aries23Degrees, but in Dribaby's specific case since Saturn rules their 7th, it's hard to separate it from closer relationships, and if Saturn is decently to mostly well aspected in their chart, it can be more neutral in meaning for them i.e. just representing closer connections.

One might argue that Saturn ruling one's 7th would tend to indicate a patterns of a certain amount of challenge, testing, and/or suffering in the close relationship department, but not necessarily. It would be a little "heavier" if it's Capricorn vs Aquarius though, even if Saturn is well aspected etc.

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posted January 27, 2020 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Ehm...be careful of this. Saturn can function with the patterns of the Moon in its tail i.e romanticising about past loves because of the internal loneliness that can echo so loudly during this transit.

Romanticising (Venus) the past(Saturn) or yearning for what was etc. Could have you become more vulnerable around this time.

Dont mean to sound all doom and gloom. I had a terrible experience with an old love during the Saturn-Venus transit (coinciding with my Saturn return).

I was a lot more vulnerable and lonely that thought. And to the ex concerned, I was a "convenient" past time.

I was so nostalgic I didn't realise how I was not at my best and became heartbroken when he (ex) went casually off on his way(and that simultaneously reminded me of why they are an "ex").

I dont think Saturn on Venus is a time for love at all.I see it as the "celibacy" transit-both physically and emotionally imo.


How would its conjunction to Pluto on Venus play out?

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posted January 27, 2020 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dribaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
As a general caution, would tend to agree with you Aries23Degrees, but in Dribaby's specific case since Saturn rules their 7th, it's hard to separate it from closer relationships, and if Saturn is decently to mostly well aspected in their chart, it can be more neutral in meaning for them i.e. just representing closer connections.

One might argue that Saturn ruling one's 7th would tend to indicate a patterns of a certain amount of challenge, testing, and/or suffering in the close relationship department, but not necessarily. It would be a little "heavier" if it's Capricorn vs Aquarius though, even if Saturn is well aspected etc.


I thought since Capricorn is Ruled by Saturn, it would be less heavier? And I also have Pluto and Jupiter transiting my house while my Saturn return so yea it's pretty hectic. My relationship has been going through it's challenges but nothing we can't overcome.

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posted January 27, 2020 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dribaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Well the real reason is that your Expanded self and the Expanded selves of others, are conspiring on a level that your personality/conscious mind is unconscious to, to re-initiate these connections/relationships, perhaps for reasons related to lessons, karma, and/or perhaps some other reason that goes beyond human understanding.

The astrology then just reflects and correlates with what's going on in consciousness (in the deeper and often unconscious to us levels), as to some extent, the past, present, and future are one, and the future runs in terms of greater to lesser probabilities.


Makes perfect sense!

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posted January 27, 2020 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
As a general caution, would tend to agree with you Aries23Degrees, but in Dribaby's specific case since Saturn rules their 7th, it's hard to separate it from closer relationships, and if Saturn is decently to mostly well aspected in their chart, it can be more neutral in meaning for them i.e. just representing closer connections.

One might argue that Saturn ruling one's 7th would tend to indicate a patterns of a certain amount of challenge, testing, and/or suffering in the close relationship department, but not necessarily. It would be a little "heavier" if it's Capricorn vs Aquarius though, even if Saturn is well aspected etc.


I hear ya. I was just putting it out there because of concern.

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posted January 27, 2020 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
How would its conjunction to Pluto on Venus play out?

You mean a conjuction between Saturn/Venus and Pluto? Or just Venus and Pluto?

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posted January 27, 2020 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You mean a conjuction between Saturn/Venus and Pluto? Or just Venus and Pluto?

Correct, a conjunction between these three. (where natal Saturn rules Venus and Mars and aspects all personal planets, except Mercury and natal Pluto conjunct Sun, which rules the person's 7th house)

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posted January 28, 2020 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Correct, a conjunction between these three. (where natal Saturn rules Venus and Mars and aspects all personal planets, except Mercury and natal Pluto conjunct Sun, which rules the person's 7th house)

With Pluto,the word that comes to mind is "MOMENTUM".

Picture a jump off a tall building. The higher the building, the faster you speed up closer to the ground. It can't be stopped nor averted, you are going to DIE. Full stop. Nothing anyone can do


Saturn's catch word for me is "PRESSURE".

Picture walking into a meeting with world leaders and the world population watching wearing torn undies? Or no undies at all?.

Saturn is pressure on yourself to be the best, be prepared, feeling the pressure from others, a moment that calls for an above average performance etc.Saturn is fear of embarrassment or underwhelming yourself and everyone.

Venus lastly is "BEAUTIFICATION". Things that we make palatable or find that attract us etc. Money,clothes,sexy people, love,good looks,youth, charm,warmth etc. Anything that has you do a "double take" is Venus to me.

So when we put the three together, we start with the slower moving planet and build up to the faster one.

Pluto-Saturn-Venus
MOMENTUM-PRESSURE-BEAUTIFICATION

Now already all sorts of keywords come to mind.

Tremendous pressure to be beautiful,huge pressure to be perfect,huge pressure to follow social protocol,collosal pressure to be wealthy,absolute adhesion to social rules, absolute love of the archaic,old structures have big social influence,an older lover irreversibly transforms your life, mature love that has a transforming effect on you,obsessed with vintage beauty/taste, obsessed with mantaining one's own beauty/ figure,waiting for a very long time for the ultimate "grown up" experience of love,the incremental and unstoppable "rags to riches" story or climb up the status ladder,the progressive breakdown/build-up of rigid social interactions or social mores etc.

Venus-Saturn people often attract or are drawn to mature/established/older people. The Pluto force may contribute in the feelings and emotions involved therein to be very difficult to tame or retract.

I have Venus-Sat-Pluto all in Scorpio in the 7th. But only Saturn and Venus are conjunct though.

In my life, I have been reserved and conservative in matters of love. Looking for a mature partner has(ironically) turned the tables around to make me the mature partner that others seek.

On the one hand Pluto did help in making me resolute and the type who won't "settle". I know that I may end up alone but there is always something very "all or nothing " about Pluto.

The downside is that one tends to search for the perfect lover(Saturn is highly critical of its choices).And such a person does not exist.

What can happen is that you become 'fixed' on an ideal and miss the person next to you. Not the "ideal" in Neptune's more "save me" way.
But rather someone whose reputation is socially beyond reproach.

Someone with whom you can be proud to be associated with in any way. Someone wbo makes you look good ALL the time.

Perhaps a Libra/Cap or someone very aware of the importance of social esteem that Saturn-Venus-Pluto holds so high?

The other side of this aspect can manifest as someone who is obsessed and deliberate about breaking down established social mores.

It could be someone who has experienced something life altering (Pluto) that has them change their perspective either in what the societal(Ven)status qou is all about(Saturn). Or deeply question its legitimacy.

Sat-Ven-Plu can also be the type to be the first to introduce interracial/ intercultural marriage into their family.

Or theh can be with someone "below" their class,marry someone of the same sex in an orthodox conservative family/restructure the old standards of the family/society in a very confronting way i.e decide to hire immigrants in a "white" dominated space.

Here Plu may seek to redress the established order/demolish the "puritanical" standards that are socially acceptable/prized etc.for a more authentic model that represents the personal truth rather than the established group-think.

#Interesting to note that trans Plut in Cap was square Prince Harry's Venus in Libra during his marriage to Megan.

His marriage divided a lot of people because Venus is in its own sign in Libra in his chart (and this means it usually conforms to what will please others).But this didn't happen.Harry did upset the status qou.

He is afraid of responsibility or being on the front row of backlash(Moon-Sat opp). And by marrying Megan, he inadvertently avoided open criticism directed him by having all of that hate thrown on Megan's shoulders.

It may not be what he intended.But it is what it is.And Megan's Scorpio Lilith conj her Uranus makes an easy target to be labeled as the "trouble maker" or "demon seducer" of "poor" Harry.

Both Uranus and Lith trine the proposed Asc in Cancer.Maybe this rebellion added to her sex appeal as far as he is concerned.

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posted January 28, 2020 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Aries23 for the lengthy response. It was very insightful, as usual.

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