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SecretGeek
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posted February 05, 2020 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://i.imgur.com/zuZr4Cq.jpg

Does being primarily left-handed show up in a natal chart?

I'm primarily left-handed but good with both depending on what I'm doing.

The best examples I can see out of all lefties, are Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, and Paul McCartney.

If the signature is in a natal chart, what areas could I look for?

http://i.imgur.com/bnsRTF2.jpg

The Countries With The Most Left-Handed People
by Niall McCarthy,
Feb 4, 2020
http://www.statista.com/chart/20708/rate-of-left-handedness-in-selected-countries/

Famous Left Handed Guitar Players
http://leftyfretz.com/famous-left-handed-guitarists/

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posted February 05, 2020 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever they drink, or whatever itis up with Netherland's quarter(or water?), there are many left-footed soccer players too from there... #interestingfact

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posted February 05, 2020 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm ambidextrous too , my bro too is.

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posted February 05, 2020 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You playguitar Secret ?

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posted February 05, 2020 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was a kid, I had a Fender Mustang and a small amp.

I was probably in 7-8th grade when I bought it.

But I'm right-handed when playing guitar.

I didn't think of being left footed, but that would qualify I suppose.

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posted February 05, 2020 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm right-handed too, I started late, around 16 at the time, and I was thinking of playing with left hand, only to later realize that right-handed guitar can't be played with the left lol

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posted February 05, 2020 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://i.imgur.com/HpPtAPA.jpg

It was just like this one above.

This one is selling for $2,700.

I paid about $150 from my friend.

I hauled hay to earn it.

One of my sons has a band he plays in.

He's lead guitar.

But he teaches HS.

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posted February 05, 2020 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The things I did for mine ...

Ahh you have a son, sumthing about you seems young

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posted February 05, 2020 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure this can be shown in the chart or not, but it's an interesting question.

Awhile back I read a very interesting book that was about damage to the hemispheres of the brain, and the resulting behaviors and physical issues.

When people had severe damage to the left side of the brain, they often became over emotional with lack of self control. There was a quality of not living in logical reality i.e. fantasy land was strong for them. Sometimes the right side of the body didn't function as well. See the right side of the body is primarily wired to the left hemisphere of the brain.

When the right side of the brain was severely damaged, it was like the exact opposite of the above was shown. These people often became like emotionless robots. They couldn't understand symbolism, metaphor, etc and everything was super literal, their tone completely flat and monotone. Again, almost like a human robot. Often they had issues with the left side of their body, especially hand wise.

Then there is a fascinating Ted Talk on Youtube called "My Stroke of Insight" where a brain researcher, who is pretty logical, grounded, material focused, etc, had a stroke which cut off the blood supply to her left side of the brain temporarily. She said it was a very interesting experience to be in and to observe.

As her right brain became completely dominant, it was almost a spiritual and very beautiful experience for her (taught her a lot about the value of the right brain and right brain perception/concepts).

However, she lost her ability to read words and numbers and understand speech, which was an issue because she knew she she was in medical trouble, and she was trying to call someone on the phone for help--she was barely able to do so.

Then I remember a case of a person (don't know the specifics anymore) where the child couldn't understand speech. But eventually the people working with her, figured out that she could understand communication when the people sang it. See, singing is more right brain oriented, and regular speech is more left brain oriented.

The truth is, that all of us without brain damage or the like, all use both hemispheres of our brain, and fairly simultaneously for the most part. Yet, I'm convinced that despite what some mainstream researchers say, that there is a tendency or trend for most people to be somewhat more right or left brain dominant as a whole. Left brain dominance seems to be far more common.

Since the right brain is primarily wired to the the left side of the body, and the left hand, it's possible that people who are left hand dominant are more "right brained" than average. This would also likely lead to a greater intuitiveness beyond average.

For self, this fits. I'm pretty sure I was left hand dominant when little, but when I was 5 or so, my drunk father accidentally slammed a heavy car door on my left thumb. It broke the thumb. I know, because it fused straight after. Anyways, I did not get it treated at all, and as mentioned it didn't heal right. Not long after, I went through a growth spurt, and my right thumb started to become larger while my left didn't.

I started to become increasingly self conscious/insecure about this, and started constantly hiding my left hand, which led to me using my left hand and arm much less, which led to a general and above atrophy, which I still have some of till this day (has also led to back issues), though I now try to use both more equally.

But here's the thing, though I'm right hand dominant, I'm still left foot dominant. If I play soccer/football, I power kick and primarily control with my left foot.

I use to be very good at drawing, though I'm not particularly visually oriented for a male.

Anyways, as to chart patterns, two things stand out. I have a strong emphasis, both Sign and Planetary wise, on Yin/Feminine energies. Every Sign and Planet is polarized to either the Yin or Yang and to different, relative degrees.

Some are far more polarized than others. For example, the slowest vibratory symbols, such as Mars, Saturn, and Moon, are either very Yang or very Yin polarized. Mars (red) and Saturn (absence of Light)-Yang, and Moon (coral pink primarily)-Yin.

As the vibratory levels increase, they start to become more innately balanced and merged. When you get to purple Jupiter--it's fairly balanced/integrated, but in Jupiter's case, slightly Yang polarized. The Sun even more integrated/balanced, but also slightly Yang polarized.

Anyways, when you "add up" all the respective Signs and Planets in their relative degree of strength--while I have a pretty good overall balance between these, my chart (and psyche) is slightly tipped (polarized) to the Yin side. (Which is part of the reason why I have tended to get along much better with females than males my whole life, and for either gender, I get along most with those people that are like myself, more blended and balanced).

What does this have to do with left handedness. Go back to the right brain thing. The right brain seems to relate more to the Yin/Feminine side of us. Now, you might say, then why aren't most women left handed or why isn't there a higher preponderance of left handedness among women than men? Good questions, but we got to think a little deeper and holistically.

If one understands Yin attunement, than one understands that Yin attunement is innately more go with the flow, more adaptable, more easily changed by outside conditions and forces. It is a receptive, sensitive, passive attunement. This makes for a higher intuitiveness and psychic sensitivity, but it also means that more directed, forceful, focused, etc type Yang energies can strongly affect it.

Unfortunately, our culture is both Yang and left brain polarized in a lot of respects. Just look at school systems, especially in America where they are cutting out art, music, and drama, and focusing more and more on math etc (math can become very right brain actually, once one gets into the higher and more abstract/symbolic maths, but regular math is very left brain oriented).

Basically, if the outside culture and forces tell women, or more left hand/right brain dominant people, "you should be right handed/and more left brain oriented", we will try to go with that flow and can adapt better than a very left brain oriented person. Try to get a very left brain oriented person to live left handed or the like, and it will quickly become an exercise in futility unless they really plug away at it over time. Yang attunement by nature is less adaptable, less go with the flow.

Think of Venus, Moon, and Neptune vs Mars and Saturn.

Think of the difference between water and fire elements--the two most Yin-Yang polarized elements. Water comes upon some outer force and it flows around same or starts to gently, but over time wear it down.

Fire comes upon an outer force, and it tries to transform/change it with it's immense heat which by nature is catalyzing and transformative.

It's important to note, one is not better or more important than the other. The ideal and best condition is to balance, integrate, and eventually merge them into one, like white gold. Then, one can apply whatever is best for a particular situation. Sometimes Yin attunement is better for some situations and sometimes Yang attunement is better/more effective than others. Sometimes one needs to be gentle, soft, and/or yielding, and sometimes one needs to be firm or directive. Just depends on the situation and on the people or conditions involved. There is no "one size fits all".

Sometimes more Yang polarized people, like fiery Sagittarius Sun Bruce Lee, need to learn how to get in better touch with the water/Yin side of consciousness for a greater strength, which is why he realized that whole, "be like water my friend" teaching.

But for some folks, say who are very Yin polarized, for them the wisdom might actually be, "be like fire my friend", because they may be too passive, too yielding, to go with the flow, etc.

So, in essence, if there is any connection to the chart between handedness, I would at first look to Yin and Yang polarization, but with the realization that the Yin polarized tend to change to the outer forces more, which is probably why left handedness is pretty rare.

I would look more specifically to Uranian energy in combo with strong Yin attunement, to see left handedness. Because with Uranus comes a certain amount of fixity and a "I'm going to be whatever way that I actually am, no matter what others say".

Uranus is somewhat unique among the symbols when it comes to the whole Yin-Yang thing. For Uranus, bounces back and forth between the polarizations, and yet, at it's heart, it is more Yin than Yang. This is why Cayce's guidance called Uranus that of the psychic-intuitive. To be psychic and intuitive in a receiving way, you have to be in touch with the Yin/Feminine side--for the very nature of same is that of receptivity.

This is why many men are so bloody clueless to nonphysical or spiritual reality, psychism, etc. They are so stuck in their left brains, and so focused on activity physically and intellectually, it's like they just can't tune in or see/perceive the deeper, more subtle, and unseen levels of reality.

This is why that you'll find a lot more psychic readers, more astrologer interested folks, etc, etc are female than male. It's starting to get more balanced out as time goes on, but 20 years ago or more, when I use to attend spiritual/new age classes, I was often the sole male, and if not completely alone, among the definite minority. Women by nature are more tuned into these subtle, hidden levels of life and reality. They listen to their intuitive feelings more. To do so, there needs to be a certain amount of quietness and reflection i.e. some "going within".

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posted February 05, 2020 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Secret Geek, can you shrink your pic? You're messing up the whole thread with the over sized pic.

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posted February 05, 2020 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed something interesting.
Simply put - Jimmy, Kurt and Paul all have Jupiter in Cancer. Zacky's in Scorpio, Sun in Sagittarius. Iommi has it in Sag, and Gray's falls in Capricorn. Easton's is in Gemini, Sun in Sagittarius again. Dick Dale has it in Capricorn, via antiscia it falls exactly on his Sagittarius Mars, Mars aspects Sun.
Sag's antiscia/contrantisca falls in Cancer and Capricorn. So, maybe it has to do something with Sagittarius? I mean, there are six limbs to coordinate.

I'm ambidextrous, with Jupiter in X (Capricorns house) heavily aspected from and with its ruler in Sagittarius. Cancer rising, Sun in IX house (so, Sag again). My friend is left handed - Jupiter in Capricorn, Sun's ruler in Sagittarius in IV house (Cancer again).
So, maybe?

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posted February 05, 2020 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Secret Geek, can you shrink your pic? You're messing up the whole thread with the over sized pic.

I removed the image brackets.

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posted February 05, 2020 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As to the Asian countries being more right hand dominant: Asian countries are known to be far more conformist in nature. People literally still get shamed for being different or unusual. They lack that Uranian attunement/awareness that I talked about earlier that is important for an innately left handed person to stay that way.

I actually doubt there is less left hand people born among Asian nations, but rather, they learn and/or forced from a young age, to get with the program of being right hand dominant. If at one time they were more left hand dominant, I doubt they report that.

Some cultures still have these weird stigmas and superstitions towards left hand dominant people. I believe this can be related, at it's core, to patriarchy, and the general fear of men towards the "mysterious" Feminine and it's power. Since men in general don't understand intuitiveness/psychism, and Yin attunement, they try to squash same and make others conform to their way/attunement.

Especially in times further back, they have been quick to label such attunement as witchcraft, sorcery, etc and all kinds of negative labels of judgement.

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posted February 05, 2020 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I removed the image brackets.

Thank you.

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posted February 05, 2020 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
The things I did for mine ...

Ahh you have a son, sumthing about you seems young



That reminded me of a verse in the following.

I think Jesus was referring the heart of a child (conscience which is relatively clear when a child).

So you might be able to sense my conscience, now.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18%3A1-5&version=NKJV

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posted February 05, 2020 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant the heart yeah..

Pisces Moons always read me well.. blimey

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posted February 06, 2020 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"But here's the thing, though I'm right hand dominant, I'm still left foot dominant. If I play soccer/football, I power kick and primarily control with my left foot."


When I played football as a kid, I punted left-footed and kicked field goals right-footed.

I was never the best at my level at kicking though.

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posted February 06, 2020 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good find Seline.

Thank-you.

I'll study it further.

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posted February 06, 2020 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I meant the heart yeah..

Pisces Moons always read me well.. blimey



Leos are heart (conscience) people.

Like the tribe of Judah being assigned the Lion.

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posted February 06, 2020 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Simply put - Jimmy, Kurt and Paul all have Jupiter in Cancer.

Might be onto something, I'm left handed and have Jupiter in Cancer. Only Sag placement I have is the IC, though (or Sun in H9 if that counts)

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posted February 06, 2020 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm left handed for everything except guitar chart if you want to look for ****

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posted February 06, 2020 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I'm right-handed too, I started late, around 16 at the time, and I was thinking of playing with left hand, only to later realize that right-handed guitar can't be played with the left lol

it can if you turn it upside down, i learned guitar a bit left handed when i dislocated my finger on my right hand and play it upside down occasionally out of boredom but it's just easier for me to play it right handed

but writing, eating, reaching for things etc are all with my left

i just learned right handed to start with because my mother said it would be hard for anyone to teach me guitar left handed

ended up teaching myself in the end, but i had assumed she was right because i didnt learn how to hold a pen right til i was about 8 and my handwriting is ****

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posted February 07, 2020 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jupiter is stagnant for a long time makes no sense to attribute it to jupiter btw

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posted February 07, 2020 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mercury-mars-uranus combinations heightened if a ruling planet or angle is in gemini

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posted February 07, 2020 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I located an interesting article.

I might qualify for this one because my Saturn is opposite my Mercury.

Not sure about my third house because I'm still rectifying my chart, but Saturn is in there right now.


Left-Handedness

There are certain definite planetary correlations which we have observed consistently between those who are lefthanded and their planetary predisposition. As we had expected, the combination of Saturn (restrictions), 3rd house (communication) and Mercury (reflexes, hands, speech, coordination etc.) were involved.
http://astrotrends.net/astrology-insights/left-handedness

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