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charlie
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posted February 08, 2020 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anything in his chart that gives it away?? For those that don't know he got 29 years for (among other MANY other grotesque things) plotting to have sex with a BABY that said baby's mom "gave" to him. He was also a huge "meth head". It's Ian Watkins from Lostprophets. I mean, the whole story is just so disturbing that even, I, who love the darker side of things, have a hard time grasping the sickness.

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posted February 08, 2020 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhiteBirds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 08, 2020 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pluto conj asc: need to have an 'extreme' experience/life - from h12 possibly inclining toward griminess/underhandedness (vs in h1 which would be 'upfront'?)

exact sun sq uranus, moon sq uranus: rebel, outcast, proclivity/attraction towards 'unusual'/'outside the norm' behaviors

mars [hard aspect] neptune: second-most classic "drugs" signature. confusion around "action", i.e. imagine how druggies seem to lose all 'morals' during fiends etc.


uranus hard aspect moon/sun inclines toward bipolarness(going from 0-100 in a fraction of a second flat), combined with marshardneptune can intensify the actingwithouthinking/being unawareofwhatoneisdoing/doingwhatever

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edit: SN Aries/NN-1 can incline toward doing what one wants without concern for others + doublewhamy'd by Sun-Leo (and even more the hard uranus aspect, since it indicates rebelliousness)

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hypatia238
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posted February 09, 2020 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We should start a sick human being thread and compare their charts, or perhaps a pedo thread specifically and compare their charts, is easier for me to read visually charts from astrobank or astro.com though....

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Graham
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posted February 09, 2020 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
We should start a sick human being thread and compare their charts, or perhaps a pedo thread specifically and compare their charts, is easier for me to read visually charts from astrobank or astro.com though....

Bear in mind that this forum can be accessed by children ... and an astrological indicator referred to here could become a source of bullying for any child that happens to have it in his/her natal chart.

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posted February 09, 2020 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScandinavianCrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try to google 'meth head crimes' if you want to look in to the darkest depths of humanity.

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posted February 09, 2020 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
Bear in mind that this forum can be accessed by children ... and an astrological indicator referred to here could become a source of bullying for any child that happens to have it in his/her natal chart.


Anything can lead to bullying, I am not going to stop researching astrological patterns bc it could lead to bullying. The person who decides to bully others is responsible for bullying others, not me.

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posted February 09, 2020 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Try to google 'meth head crimes' if you want to look in to the darkest depths of humanity.

Have read some. Do you think "meth made him do it" ie altered his personality or brought his TRUE personality out in the open?? I mean surely, there are drug addicts that wouldn't even think about doing what he did!?

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posted February 09, 2020 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Anything can lead to bullying, I am not going to stop researching astrological patterns bc it could lead to bullying. The person who decides to bully others is responsible for bullying others, not me.

Did someone suggest that the astrological pattern should not be researched? If so, it was not me.

My comment was based on a personal view/belief that providing tools/astrological indicators that can be used by others to do harm does not accord with the first rule of astrology (i.e.. to do no harm). ... Hence, astrologers/students should "bear in mind" that a public forum (accessed by children) might not be the place to undertake this kind of astrological research.

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posted February 09, 2020 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Anything can lead to bullying, I am not going to stop researching astrological patterns bc it could lead to bullying. The person who decides to bully others is responsible for bullying others, not me.

If the aspect is responsible, how would the person be?

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posted February 09, 2020 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
Have read some. Do you think "meth made him do it" ie altered his personality or brought his TRUE personality out in the open?? I mean surely, there are drug addicts that wouldn't even think about doing what he did!?

Ime, a fair percentage of people that are drug and/or alcohol addicts, often get strongly influenced (nonphysically/psychically) by individuals and/or groups much darker than themselves. Particularly when under the influence.

If they lack a core of strong ethics, empathy for others, strong conscience, then they start getting resonated more and more to that severe lack of Light side, and the depravity gets worse and worse.

To make matters more difficult, he has a somewhat psychically sensitive chart, which means that the influencing can spill over into periods when he's not under the influence. Once those kind of energetic connections are made, they can be hard to break unless outside, strong help is requested. As most are and remain unconscious to such influencing to begin with, few ever ask for help.

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posted February 09, 2020 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
Did someone suggest that the astrological pattern should not be researched? If so, it was not me.

My comment was based on a [b]personal view/belief that providing tools/astrological indicators that can be used by others to do harm does not accord with the first rule of astrology (i.e.. to do no harm). ... Hence, astrologers/students should "bear in mind" that a public forum (accessed by children) might not be the place to undertake this kind of astrological research.

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You are not making any sense....this thread could be about people who cheat and I could have said the same thing "lets post charts of people who cheat and see if we find any astrological patterns they have in common" and then you would pop in and say that shouldn't be done here because kids access this forum and such information could be used for bullying. It is extremely odd your input on this thread.

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posted February 09, 2020 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
If the aspect is responsible, how would the person be?

You mean what aspects I suspect would be common in the chart of a bully?

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Graham
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posted February 09, 2020 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You are not making any sense....this thread could be about people who cheat and I could have said the same thing "lets post charts of people who cheat and see if we find any astrological patterns they have in common" and then you would pop in and say that shouldn't be done here because kids access this forum and such information could be used for bullying. It is extremely odd your input on this thread.

Of course I am making sense, hypatia. ... You just disagree with my point (which is ok), but are perhaps beginning to see that it may be valid.

What does not make sense is to equate cheating with the kind of activities that are relevant to this thread topic.

For me, "I provided the information used by the bully to abuse the child that subsequently committed suicide, but the bully did not have to use it" is the same as (say) a drug-pusher saying "I provided the drugs on which your child over-dosed, but he/she did not have to use them." ...Both statements are true, but neither would be an ethically acceptable defence (from the perspective of the parent that has lost his/her child).

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posted February 09, 2020 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:

mars [hard aspect] neptune: second-most classic "drugs" signature. confusion around "action", i.e. imagine how druggies seem to lose all 'morals' during fiends etc.
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What is the first classic drug, confusion signature?

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posted February 09, 2020 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don’t think you can pinpoint something in astrology, or blame drugs. In an area not far from me, they busted something like twenty-one men for this kind of thing. One was a pre-school teacher. Try googling Jackson township/Canton, Ohio on this subject.

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posted February 09, 2020 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was fourteen. I must have got twenty-one from a different and equally disturbing story. One is a counselor at a rape crisis centre. They range in age from 20-73.
http://www.google.com/amp/s/fox8.com/2020/02/04/jackson-to wnship-police-nab-sexual-predators-in-sting-operation/amp/
http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.canto nrep.com/news/20200207/stark-county-grand-jury-indicts-all-14-in-sex-sting-roundup%3ftemplate=ampart

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posted February 09, 2020 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Of course I am making sense, hypatia. ... You just disagree with my point (which is ok), but are perhaps beginning to see that it may be valid.

What does not make sense is to equate cheating with the kind of activities that are relevant to this thread topic.

For me, "I provided the information used by the bully to abuse the child that subsequently committed suicide, but the bully did not have to use it" is the same as (say) a drug-pusher saying "I provided the drugs on which your child over-dosed, but he/she did not have to use them." ...Both statements are true, but neither would be an ethically acceptable defence (from the perspective of the parent that has lost his/her child).


Okay I have read numerous times that Leo's tend to be a bit self-focused and narcissistic. A child can read this and start bullying everyone that has Leo sun calling them "narcissistic" and "full of themselves." Doing this would not be my fault even if I said that Leos tend to be narcissistic here in lindaland bc the person is using this information to harm others and they are responsible for their actions and how they use information they read anywhere and parents are responsible for teaching their kids right from wrong and monitoring what their kids read etc, I am a firm believer of owning your actions and taking responsibility for your actions. A lot of information can be used to harm others if someone chooses to go that route, this does not mean discussions or information should be censored. I definitely DO NOT agree with you on this matter. Also sadly bullying is something that happens and people need to learn the skills to stand up for themselves, defend themselves and cope with this when it happens. Last, I was bullied and I never killed myself, taking your life is the responsibility of the person who takes their life, you always have a choice.

Your logic is extremely far away from many of my values overall and I do not wish to continue debating with you on this matter, we have extremely different views.

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posted February 09, 2020 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually it totally blows my mind Graham that you would bring up your concern for kids been bullied specifically on this thread out of all the threads out there because a child will never ever be bullied for been a PEDOPHILE bc children are not pedophiles, adults are.

I am not returning to this thread, that is the last thing I am saying about this. This whole conversation is very weird.

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posted February 09, 2020 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Actually it totally blows my mind Graham that you would bring up your concern for kids been bullied specifically on this thread out of all the threads out there because a child will never ever be bullied for been a PEDOPHILE bc children are not pedophiles, adults are.

I am not returning to this thread, that is the last thing I am saying about this. This whole conversation is very weird.



So ... why you are emotionally invested in this weird conversation, Hypatia? Might it be making you think twice about what constitutes "doing harm"?

Moreover were you not suggesting initially that a thread should be started on "sick human beings" - and are children not human beings?

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posted February 09, 2020 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScandinavianCrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You are not making any sense....this thread could be about people who cheat and I could have said the same thing "lets post charts of people who cheat and see if we find any astrological patterns they have in common" and then you would pop in and say that shouldn't be done here because kids access this forum and such information could be used for bullying. It is extremely odd your input on this thread.


Anyone who is interested in astrology have researched this topic ages ago. Atleast if they have any gemini and Pluto in their charts.
And because of that i can promise you this:

What ever aspects or placements you will find to tie together the charts of pedophiles, it will probably be a random asteroid, i can show you million of actual natal charts of people with the same placements that never molestef or raped a child.

You may come up with the equivialent of the cheater placement number one, Venus in Gemini(?), but the retards (Graham is worried about the kids, i am more worried about the adults with a intelligence equal to a kid) that will read about this "pedophile-placement" will without a doubt start pointing fingers and eventualy there will be a mob of retards some where who will use it as an excuse to kill someone.

But by all means go ahead, it will be interesting to read the results and see how right i was.

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posted February 09, 2020 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the point Graham was trying to make is you can't see in a chart how evil someone is going to be and those looking up these kinds of threads might take certain aspects and label someone. The only thing you can do as an astrologer is point out potential of certain aspects. It's very easy to try to say "oh, you have this aspect, you must be such and such" especially for beginner astrologers.

For example, this chart belongs to one of my best friends. He has quite a bit of "bad" aspects in his chart. You could take a look at it and point out all day how evil he has the potential to be just from certain aspects but, he's one of the most compassionate people I've ever met. There is always free will with any aspect/chart. Astrology can't see who's evil or sick, it can only tell you what could be. It greatly depends on that souls particular journey and how they chose to use their aspects.

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posted February 09, 2020 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know how meth is made? I've heard multiple recipes from users and makers, and it all sounds like a suicide attempt to me rather than an attempt to get high. Some meth labs are caught because parts of the chemicals leak out and set the water on fire! I'm not surprised it messes them up mentally. I'm shocked that they survive it the first time, let alone a great many times--I'd be scared to even make it as even that sounds dangerous. I want to stress, it's not anti-drug PSAs that make me shudder at the thought of using meth, it's hearing the actual recipes for making it!

In my experience and observation, many get on hard drugs like meth to escape pain, usually that of abusive childhoods or some deep trauma, and it can often be sexual. I would think such people would be prone to seeking to manifest those experiences again from one end or the other, especially on especially toxic drugs like that.

I'll point out that I'm not saying all do before the defensive "well I was abused and don't abuse" (so was I) clogs up this thread.

But many do learn unhealthy patterns from it, and seek to repeat it in one form or another. Adding meth to it would seem to make it a lot worse. (LSD or shrooms on the other hand might, if lucky, help them out of it, not that I'd recommend it, at least not without someone to help them through it.)

But my past and present life puts me around those from abusive and traumatic backgrounds so of course that's what I would observe. But again, what meth is made of makes me think no one with healthy self-preservation instincts would do it just to get a thrill, though I have heard of people using it work 2 jobs and be a mother, or get through medical school while also working to support themselves and interning, and so on, which is pure desperation, but I never heard of one of them (that is for pragmatic if ill-advised reasons rather than escaping pain) going off the deep end (one actually got her medical degree and as far as I know--which may not be correct--she's clean now). Because of that I think it's more likely to release one's inner demons than put them there (though it probably does exacerbate it).

As for astrological markers...funny thing, I read a bunch of astrology books that weren't focused on wealth or romance and such deviant or criminal behavior of that bizarre nature never came up, so I can't speak on the theory of that. I will say that I don't automatically suspect all those born at the same time in the same hospital of the same behavior (though I'm now curious what their lives were indeed like).

Even Linda Goodman wrote a guide on how to raise children based on their sun sign (and sometimes adding how other aspects of their chart can change things) because the chart isn't some destiny set in stone, it's potential and inclinations with different charts needing different kinds of upbringing to bring out the best and minimize the worse potentials. It may matter as genetics and upbringing, but even combining all 3 together isn't an iron-clad destiny.

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