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teasel
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posted February 12, 2020 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Just posting her chart, and her Ted talk. The trolls were out in full force again today.


http://www.ted.com/talks/ashley_judd_how_online_abuse_of_women_has_spira led_out_of_control?language=en

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posted February 13, 2020 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have always liked her vibe. Don't know much about her though.

Doubt that chart is fully accurate. Someone with a Leo Rising with Leo Jupiter closely conjunct the Asc--well, that's going to correlate with a near giant of a person (unless the South Node and/or Saturn is very strongly involved at the same time). I could see her having Leo Rising, but probably quite a bit earlier--at least 10 degrees earlier. Jupiter would still be very strong in her psyche, but not correlate with her physical looks.

The thing about the looks aspect of astrology, is that it doesn't cause anything, but reflects the chosen genetics. It just can't work sometimes, and not work in a more universal sense.

Meaning, plenty of times I see it correlate perfectly with a person's physical features, but at other times not at all or barely at all. It's completely illogical that it would only work sometimes and for some people, but not apply in other situations.

This is why Cayce's info about the spiritual vs physical birth times, is so important. It's the only thing that explains this discrepancy well and logically. "Some" would be by inaccurate birth times, but I see it too often for it to be solely hugely inaccurate birth times.

I have Leo Rising, but am on the shorter side for a Leo Rising male body as compared to the archetype. However, this is "explained" well in the chart. The ruler of the Rising, the Sun is in the middle of Capricorn (a short archetype), and the Sun is inconjunct the Asc degree indicating potential issues with the spine and/or heart.

Indeed, I was genetically born missing an entire lumbar vertebrae. If I hadn't been, I would most likely be a few inches taller. Inconjuncts carry a strong 6th House connotation and are a stress/challenge aspect. My body has had to adjust to this different pattern, and I do have some back issues because of it.

Ironically, the males on my mothers side, who I most look like, all have rather long backs--especially my grandfather who also had Leo Rising--and he was a shade under 6 foot at his height.., which considering he was born in the earlier 1900's, was definitely a bit taller than average for an American. His father was even a bit taller.

When one throws Jupiter also into the mix--well Jupiter by itself is known to correlate with taller and broader body types whatever the Rising Sign--but combine it with an already average to taller than average Sign archetype like Leo (all the Yang/masculine Rising Signs are taller than all the Yin/Feminine ones), this means that the body type will correlate with a well above average height unless other strong factors are counter balancing that pattern. (As a side note, such a person is also likely to be very strong and very athletic--have a lot of innate vitality. We're talking a Chris Hemsworth type body here for a male or a Lucy Lawless type for a female).

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posted February 13, 2020 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I have always liked her vibe. Don't know much about her though.

Doubt that chart is fully accurate. Someone with a Leo Rising with Leo Jupiter closely conjunct the Asc--well, that's going to correlate with a near giant of a person (unless the South Node and/or Saturn is very strongly involved at the same time). I could see her having Leo Rising, but probably quite a bit earlier--at least 10 degrees earlier. Jupiter would still be very strong in her psyche, but not correlate with her physical looks.

The thing about the looks aspect of astrology, is that it doesn't cause anything, but reflects the chosen genetics. It just can't work sometimes, and not work in a more universal sense.

Meaning, plenty of times I see it correlate perfectly with a person's physical features, but at other times not at all or barely at all. It's completely illogical that it would only work sometimes and for some people, but not apply in other situations.

This is why Cayce's info about the spiritual vs physical birth times, is so important. It's the only thing that explains this discrepancy well and logically. "Some" would be by inaccurate birth times, but I see it too often for it to be solely hugely inaccurate birth times.

I have Leo Rising, but am on the shorter side for a Leo Rising male body as compared to the archetype. However, this is "explained" well in the chart. The ruler of the Rising, the Sun is in the middle of Capricorn (a short archetype), and the Sun is inconjunct the Asc degree indicating potential issues with the spine and/or heart.

Indeed, I was genetically born missing an entire lumbar vertebrae. If I hadn't been, I would most likely be a few inches taller. Inconjuncts carry a strong 6th House connotation and are a stress/challenge aspect. My body has had to adjust to this different pattern, and I do have some back issues because of it.

Ironically, the males on my mothers side, who I most look like, all have rather long backs--especially my grandfather who also had Leo Rising--and he was a shade under 6 foot at his height.., which considering he was born in the earlier 1900's, was definitely a bit taller than average for an American. His father was even a bit taller.

When one throws Jupiter also into the mix--well Jupiter by itself is known to correlate with taller and broader body types whatever the Rising Sign--but combine it with an already average to taller than average Sign archetype like Leo (all the Yang/masculine Rising Signs are taller than all the Yin/Feminine ones), this means that the body type will correlate with a well above average height unless other strong factors are counter balancing that pattern. (As a side note, such a person is also likely to be very strong and very athletic--have a lot of innate vitality. We're talking a Chris Hemsworth type body here for a male or a Lucy Lawless type for a female).


Sorry to digress.But I find what you say here interesting.

My father is Cancer Sun/Moon in Cap with Asc unknown.

He has Mars/Pluto/Merc & Uran in Leo. He is also the tallest in his family. Just under 1.9 meters.

I am far from being that tall myself.I am actually "average" 1.75m. I don't have a Leo strong chart-unless we look at Drac where Mars,Pluto,Saturn & Ven are in Leo. So I "feel" taller and bigger

My suspicions about my paternity actually started because of his height. I simply didn't match it at all.

This is despite Sag being assumed to be a "tall" sign(which I have plenty of in my chart). And Mercury being strong too.

My biological father has Sun in Aqua,Moon in Cap,Merc in Cap,Ven in Aqua,Mars in Cap. He is quite short.So I am technically "taller" than both of my parents I guess. Lol.

I suspect my "adoptive" father has Earth Rising. He is tall but I wouldn't say robust and and strong at all. The Leo energy is downplayed by other things.

He is not athletic but his physique is imposing. I thought that his tall frame was more in keeping with Cap Moon. He was skinny when younger but filled out when older.

Leo does tend to make one "Larger than life" either in size or personality. I know a Jup in Leo friend who is very much the life of the party.

His Sag Sun is in mutual reception with Jupiter in Leo admittedly.So there's that too.

Another has Aries Sun/Leo Asc. And he is SHORT. But he makes up for all of that by having a BIG personality.

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posted February 13, 2020 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting stuff there Aries23Degrees.

I haven't noticed Moon or Sun Signs to correlate with overt physical features to be honest--not unless they are tied in directly the Asc (like Cancer or Leo Rising).

I went through a period awhile back where I read a lot of the older, classic books on astrology that talked about the physical looks aspect. It was always in relation to the Asc and it's factors. That's what the Asc is known for--correlating to the physical body.

When you look into medical astrology, the Asc and it's factors becomes paramount, which makes sense since it literally "rules" (corresponds to) the physical body and it's temperament.

It's too bad that we don't have a Cayce around that can look at the akashic records and pin point the exact spiritual and/or physical birth times.

But when a person truly understands, and can synthesize the factors of the Asc in relation to the looks, it helps to narrow it down for sure. An example. My partner's physical birth time gives an Aquarius Asc--a fairly accurate time most likely.

But intuitively, I knew, combined with her looks, her personality (very resourceful, very much a go getter, "boss" type), the fact that her first major boyfriend was a Cancer, that I'm a Capricorn, etc, that in reality she has Capricorn Rising.

Well, her guidance finally confirmed it recently (after all these years) with a dream that she had where she became aware of her true birth time (the spiritual/energetic) one, and it was a full hour or more before her physical. It was actually a bit earlier than what I had guesstimated.

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posted February 13, 2020 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to chime in here about Leo ASC ( ) Mine is conjunct south node/ Venus within a degree and Jupiter conjunct from 12th house but about 7.5 degrees away. I am VERY tall for a girl - about 6ft but it is interesting what you say galactic about south node conjunct can alter because I heard it can make you skinnier than average with the ascendant. I am probably underweight and smaller framed than average Leo ascendant but have that typical longer and broader back.

As far as Ashley Judd I actually get Capricorn vibes from her so I wouldn’t be surprised if her moon was very late cap. Leo ascendant does make sense though but maybe off in degree.

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posted February 13, 2020 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mmarie, would you mind if I took a gander at your chart?

My partner's former Chiropractor told her after looking at her X-ray, that if her spine had grown fully properly, that she would have been about 6 foot tall. As now, she is a shade under 5' 10".

Her ruling Planet, Saturn, is in Libra and very closely conjunct Jupiter (within seconds). 10th House Uranus is sextile her Asc. Asc is cusping Aquarius some.

As to her back issues, they are not innate/genetic, but happened environmentally and thus wouldn't necessarily show up in the chart, unless it was preplanned or highly probable.

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posted February 13, 2020 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@galactic Here it is - https://imgur.com/ljcn6az http://imgur.com/ljcn6az

I wonder if Saturn being your partners ruler has anything to do with it? Not sure if it is correct but I think Saturn rules bones? Not specifically the back but maybe effecting somehow the spine. Although if it is environmental then you are right it wouldn’t show in the chart.

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posted February 13, 2020 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funnily enough I know two Leo Risings, both of whom have Jupiter conjunct their ASC.

In one such case it's a very wide conjunction. They were born in 1978, Leo ASC is at 17°, Jupiter in Leo is at 8°

They're definitely shorter than the average male, standing at 5'6"

The other one was born in 1990, Leo Rising at 7°, Jupiter in Leo at 8°

Average male height, standing at about 5'10"

I also know of another Leo Rising (16°) with Aries in Jupiter trine their ASC (Aries Jupiter at 17°) - same thing, average male height at around 5'10-5'11

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posted February 13, 2020 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@galactic Here it is...

Thank you. I'm going to look at it for a bit and get back to you.

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posted February 13, 2020 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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athenaia:


Guess you missed the whole, the most verified psychic source in the world, the Edgar Cayce readings, repeatedly talked about the potential difference in time from the energetic/spiritual birth time and the physical, and how this can (and often does) change the chart, part?

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posted February 13, 2020 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alrighty Galactic there was no need to be condescending, I just thought it would be interesting to add data to this post since it turned into a Leo Rising thread. If you thought I was trying to undermine you that wasn't my intention

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posted February 13, 2020 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Funnily enough I know two Leo Risings, both of whom have Jupiter conjunct their ASC.

In one such case it's a very wide conjunction. They were born in 1978, Leo ASC is at 17°, Jupiter in Leo is at 8°

They're definitely shorter than the average male, standing at 5'6"

The other one was born in 1990, Leo Rising at 7°, Jupiter in Leo at 8°

Average male height, standing at about 5'10"

I also know of another Leo Rising (16°) with Aries in Jupiter trine their ASC (Aries Jupiter at 17°) - same thing, average male height at around 5'10-5'11


Yeah I’m actually not sure i’ve heard the Leo ASC being taller? I’ve always thought Sagittarius ASC were taller but maybe I’m wrong. Jupiter conjunct ASC can probably manifest in so many ways like Aries23degrees said.

I have tall genes in my family so I wonder how much the Jupiter near ASC actually effects it.

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posted February 13, 2020 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah I’m actually not sure i’ve heard the Leo ASC being taller?...

Just like men are on average taller than women, the Yang/masculine Signs Rising typically range from average to taller than average. With Sagittarius and Gemini the tallest in the archetypal sense.

Conversely the opposite with the Yin/feminine Signs, with Cancer and Capricorn being the shortest in the archetypal sense. By "archetypal", I mean in the singular, no other counter balancing/changing factors/variables present. In actual practice, this almost never actually happens. The Rising Sign would have to be near the middle of the Sign (from 10 to 20 degrees), no strong planets in close and major aspect the Asc or the Asc ruler(s). Pretty hard to find in actual practice. Then one has to account for the relative degrees of closeness of the aspects. For example, take two exactly similar charts, except that one person has Jupiter conjunct Asc within 1 degree and the other has Jupiter conjunct Asc within 8 or 9 degrees. If the charts are both accurate, the former person is likely to be much taller than the latter.

Hence, it's quite possible to get short Sagittarius Risings, and tall Capricorns. Just like with the personality and character level of astrology, it takes a certain amount of knowledge, practice, and synthesis of a lot of information to see all the factors that alter the basic archetypes of the Rising Signs.

Astrology doesn't cause anything--doesn't cause personality, doesn't cause physical looks, doesn't cause events, doesn't cause two people to like/be attracted to each other, etc, etc.

When a Soul is setting up it's Life plan it chooses a body that approximates those conditions in a very holistic way, and that Life plan is symbolically reflected in the cosmic clock that astrology is. The Soul knows what time(s) the body is likely to be born ahead of time. That's part of the whole, "matching bodies to Life plans" part.

This includes the hereditary of the body. People have been noting the correlations between looks and the natal chart for thousands and thousands of years. There are Dead Sea Scrolls that have references to astrology correlating with physical traits.

I'm probably going to start a separate thread about all this, because we are going far afield from Teasel's post.

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posted February 14, 2020 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@galactic oh yeah that makes sense with masculine vs feminine risings. Didn’t even think of it that way. I do know a very tall Capricorn! But suspect he’s a Sagittarius rising conjunct Jupiter .

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posted February 14, 2020 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Interesting stuff there Aries23Degrees.

I haven't noticed Moon or Sun Signs to correlate with overt physical features to be honest--not unless they are tied in directly the Asc (like Cancer or Leo Rising).

I went through a period awhile back where I read a lot of the older, classic books on astrology that talked about the physical looks aspect. It was always in relation to the Asc and it's factors. That's what the Asc is known for--correlating to the physical body.

When you look into medical astrology, the Asc and it's factors becomes paramount, which makes sense since it literally "rules" (corresponds to) the physical body and it's temperament.

It's too bad that we don't have a Cayce around that can look at the akashic records and pin point the exact spiritual and/or physical birth times.

But when a person truly understands, and can synthesize the factors of the Asc in relation to the looks, it helps to narrow it down for sure. An example. My partner's physical birth time gives an Aquarius Asc--a fairly accurate time most likely.

But intuitively, I knew, combined with her looks, her personality (very resourceful, very much a go getter, "boss" type), the fact that her first major boyfriend was a Cancer, that I'm a Capricorn, etc, that in reality she has Capricorn Rising.

Well, her guidance finally confirmed it recently (after all these years) with a dream that she had where she became aware of her true birth time (the spiritual/energetic) one, and it was a full hour or more before her physical. It was actually a bit earlier than what I had guesstimated.


Sun/Moon correlating to looks? ABSOLUTELY. I will even go as far as to say Mars/Venus also contributes in many cases I have seen. I mentioned all this in another thread.

I recall talking to this lady once and saying "Oh Wow, you look like a Gemini". She looked at me odd and said "No. I am Taurus Sun"

When I looked at her Ven, it was in Gemini. And initially I was confused. Admittedly her Asc is unknown. So she could be Gem Asc.

Gem influenced women tend to appear more like "girls" than women.I think more "cheerleader" vibe happening.

My good friend has this nasal thing going on. Like he talks with a deep voice and his eyes give off a "I am slightly sleepy" vibe.

I see this most evident in Taurus placements. Mostly the droopy eyes too or ones that seem to bulge out of the socket. And he has Venus in Taurus.

Leo energy people tend to have "BIG" features on their faces,usually BIG hair,big lips, big mouth or a BIG nose etc.

I notice Roman Reigns has what I mean-Moon in Leo.He looks very "Lion-ish" with that big face of his. I had a hard time believing he is Gemini Sun/Mars.

Compare him to "Aquaman" Jason Momoa. Leo Sun. Leo energy seems to love hair-facial hair, long hair etc.

Also rocking the long hair thing is Instagram Model Brock O Burn, who was famous for his "manbun". Sun in Leo there too.

The Gemini shows up more in his fighting mate Seth Rollins -who looks a lot more "compact" and shorter than Roman. But is actually inches taller.

I find Mercury can sometimes "dwarf" an individual and make them look more "compact" than others. Giving the impression that they "smaller" in general physique.

Seth Rollins kinda reminds me of fellow Gemini Actor Kit Harrington "Jon Snow". And on the same thread,The Hobbit star Aidan Turner as "Kili" is also Gemini Sun.

Gemini energy in men tend to have them be more "cute" than handsome- in a schoolboy kinda way. More "hot" than hunky.

There are many other examples where I see the energy of the placements from Sun through to Mars-expressed in looks.

I apologize once again for diverting this thread. Perhaps a new thread can be opened to discuss all this?

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