posted February 15, 2020 04:34 PM            

My husband for example, with Taurus rising but most of his 1H in Gemini. He has a tiny 3H in cancer with nothing there and an empty 1H yet he is suuuuuuuuuper chatty, Taurus is a very reserved energy that doesnt like talking much, in fact their communication skills tend to not be great unless there are other things in the chart indicating they are talkative etc...

His chart ruler Venus in Leo yes is an outgoing sign but his Venus falls right on his 5H cusp and he is a homebody with moon in cancer who avoids socializing yet when he is in a social situation he talks and talks and is in the spot light. His 3rd House ruler is Moon in Cancer in the 2H, again an introverted energy.

The only thing in his chart that truly explains his talkative nature is Gemini ruling most of his 1H (BUT not his AC) and Mercury conjunct EROS (but in scorpio so a more reserved energy again but EROS is all about expression). And his chart ruler been in expressive leo and falling in his 5H cusp is significant.

I have considered that maybe he is gemini riser but AC in Taurus really fits him, he is a hybrid of Taurus rising with Gemini dominating his 1H. He has the facial structure of a Taurus riser and the body built of a Taurus riser but is super talkative, reminds me of a client of mine who has sun in Taurus early degrees but with venus in gemini and he is very talkative.

My husband is famous for been stubborn, which is something Taurus is famous for lol, he has a strong connection with earth and is very resourceful, he uses the gemini energy/creativity to serve Taurus like themes/goals!

I find that the sign the 1H is dominating the most shows strongly in the person's personality but tends to serve the goals of the sign on the AC!

For example, I have Saggy rising at late degrees and cappy dominates my first house, Cappy traits have served to meet my Saggy goals such as moving across the country somewhere totally different from were I was born and grew up in so I can feel I have lived a life of adventure and lived my life to the fullest taking big risks and chances (was born in the caribbean, parents moved to Miami, and then then I chose to move to Colorado) and getting a masters degree. I used my cappy traits in the 1H to serve saggy goals.

posted February 15, 2020 04:56 PM            

"but she's physically stronger than I am (I can't climb a tree, but she was climbing things, took to ice skating naturally - she's the more athletic one"

I attribute this to ARIES so strongly dominating her 1H. I don't attribute it to Mars in Saggy, I know a lot of mars in saggy, they like out doors but I wouldn't say they are athletic per say, one likes to ride bikes and the other likes hiking but in a more leisure type of way and in a less cardinal type of way.

posted February 15, 2020 06:23 PM            

Then again, my Venus is in DECAN3 AND it's "cuspy" (28.5deg or so) so maybe I really have Cap-Venus(... -like).

posted February 15, 2020 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
27deg TAU, definitely not chatty nor talkative. Maybe it's his Venus(values) being in "need to express 'myself'!" Leo, compounded by it being his ASC Ruler. I have my Venus/ASC Ruler in a Fire sign too, which is the self-expressive element, but mine is in H8 which is 'non'-expressive, silent, secretive/under-wraps - while H4 is a reclusive house, I can see H4 being outgoing and downright social a la wanting emotional connection/to connect with others.

Then again, my Venus is in DECAN3 AND it's "cuspy" (28.5deg or so) so maybe I really have Cap-Venus(... -like).

edit: My [half-]sister has Gem ASC, Ruler H10-Pisces, and she is definitely chatty, talkative, social/"open". We are nothing alike temperament/ASC-wise.

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posted February 15, 2020 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
27deg TAU, definitely not chatty nor talkative. Maybe it's his Venus(values) being in "need to express 'myself'!" Leo, compounded by it being his ASC Ruler. I have my Venus/ASC Ruler in a Fire sign too, which is the self-expressive element, but mine is in H8 which is 'non'-expressive, silent, secretive/under-wraps - while H4 is a reclusive house, I can see H4 being outgoing and downright social a la wanting emotional connection/to connect with others.

Then again, my Venus is in DECAN3 AND it's "cuspy" (28.5deg or so) so maybe I really have Cap-Venus(... -like).

edit: My [half-]sister has Gem ASC, Ruler H10-Pisces, and she is definitely chatty, talkative, social/"open". We are nothing alike temperament/ASC-wise.

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Do you feel your hands are an important part of you, like with my husband with Taurus rising and gemini dominating his 1H while Venus in Leo on his 5H cusp rules his chart I see his hands are very special and valuable, he creates with his hands, he creates/builds/cooks/fixes, I feel his hands are extremely important but maybe this is just bc gemini is at the cusp of his 2H making him value his intellectual side and his hands, so he invests a lot of time nourishing his intellectual side and using his hands, expressing his creative side through his hands.

In his case his Taurus nature very much blends with his gemini traits in the 1H in how he comes off and interacts with the world day to day!

posted February 15, 2020 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Do you feel your hands are an important part of you, like with my husband with Taurus rising and gemini dominating his 1H while Venus in Leo on his 5H cusp rules his chart I see his hands are very special and valuable, he creates with his hands, he creates/builds/cooks/fixes, I feel his hands are extremely important but maybe this is just bc gemini is at the cusp of his 2H making him value his intellectual side and his hands, so he invests a lot of time nourishing his intellectual side and using his hands, expressing his creative side through his hands.

In his case his Taurus nature very much blends with his gemini traits in the 1H in how he comes off and interacts with the world day to day!

Perhaps some folks have not integrated the other sign in their 1H even if that sign is dominating their 1H.

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I'm not a fixer/builder at all, so my "hands" aren't integral BUT for your DECAN3 argument's sake you could say I possess the intellectual ingenuity of Gemini. However, this Mercurialness for practical ends I chalk up to Merc conj Sun + Sun/Merc/Mars/Pluto in H6. Merc conjs Pluto and "crafty" is a fitting description for this aspect and fits me. So is my intellectual craftiness because of my ideas, or [also] your DECAN3 theory? I don't know yet, we need more feedback.

I do know ASC Progress 'quickly' to the next sign if late deg ASC, so if you believe in Progressions your theory has a leg to stand on theoretically. Like I said I'm 27TAU, and my ASC won't move out of Gem until I'm 31 (think it's 1deg/yr for me? so since kindergarten aka all my formative life it's been Gem).

posted February 15, 2020 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
I'm not a fixer/builder at all, so my "hands" aren't integral BUT for your DECAN3 argument's sake you could say I possess the intellectual ingenuity of Gemini. However, this Mercurialness for practical ends I chalk up to Merc conj Sun + Sun/Merc/Mars/Pluto in H6. Merc conjs Pluto and "crafty" is a fitting description for this aspect and fits me. So is my intellectual craftiness because of my ideas, or [also] your DECAN3 theory? I don't know yet, we need more feedback.

I do know ASC Progress 'quickly' to the next sign if late deg ASC, so if you believe in Progressions your theory has a leg to stand on theoretically. Like I said I'm 27TAU, and my ASC won't move out of Gem until I'm 31 (think it's 1deg/yr for me? so since kindergarten aka all my formative life it's been Gem).

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With your chart ruler Venus in the 8H house and mercury conjunct pluto ruling most of your 1H I get the sense you wouldn't be chatty at all! LOL so gemini influencing most of your 1H would play out differently with perhaps a strong interest in psychology and/or the occult or investigation/research. IDK what you do for a living but I Would think it has a plutonic with your chart ruler in the 8H and mercury conjunct pluto in the 6H co-ruling your 1H and ruling your 2H, I would think there is a plutonic career going on (e.g. investigator of sorts, police officer, psychology field, hospice work)....I would think you are good at reading people and situations, seeing beneath the surface quickly.

I would say you are maybe a skeptic bc you need to see it and touch it type of person since you have Taurus rising but also highly intellectual, since taurus is attached to the material world but gemini occupies most of your 1H you might like hoarding all kinds of information but you are more open minded maybe than the typical taurus skeptic riser bc of interest in the occult do to having venus in the 8th along with mercury conjunct pluto both ruling your 1H.

posted February 16, 2020 02:36 AM            

Taurus rules the throat. I've have known a number of people with very strong Taurus that talk A LOT--imo, too much. Both males and females.

Another common thing among those with strong Taurus is also liking to sing, and sometimes being unusually gifted in same.

posted February 16, 2020 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
my boyfriend has a Taurus sun and a Capricorn ascendant (most of his 1. house being in Cap) so two signs who wouldn't be seen as very talkative, but his sun is in the 3rd house (the end of this house but still in the 3rd) and he is totally chatty in a very Taurus fashion. Once he starts he won't stop until he finishes his point and very often it takes a long time to explain everything he deems necessary explaining. It is very hard to interrupt him then either, he just doesn't budge. (Can be very taxing on the more impatient types).

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Well he has sun in the 3rd house and I am willing to bet his 3rd house ruler is also playing a role too in his chart or his chart ruler with this..

What sign is his saturn in, what house does it fall in and what aspects is his Saturn making? The same questions for his 3rd house ruler? If possible can you post his chart? Thanks..

posted February 16, 2020 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
"Taurus is a very reserved energy that doesnt like talking much, in fact their communication skills tend to not be great unless there are other things in the chart indicating they are talkative etc..."

Taurus rules the throat. I've have known a number of people with very strong Taurus that talk A LOT--imo, too much. Both males and females.

Another common thing among those with strong Taurus is also liking to sing, and sometimes being unusually gifted in same.

Both relate to the throat. To really under the Signs, we need to understand the parts of the body they rule/correspond to, because the parts of the body symbolically represent their activity, their consciousness.

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Yep I know it rules the throat but everyone I meet who is a Taurus sun and chatty has Gemini placements and the ones who don't usually are very reserved and if they are not is important to look at the whole chart like the 3rd house and its rulers, check if chart ruler is in the third ECT bc there Will be something like that going on if they are chatty, even strong fire in their chart.

My client with Taurus sun (they often have something in Gemini) has venus in gemini and Ascendant in Gemini with Mercury in Aries, he is chatty and pretty up-front too, he is not good at censoring what he says, his chart ruler mercury in aries conjuncts by sign his Jupiter in the 10H.

Interesting enough I thought he was an Aries for weeks. He carries himself 💯 like an Aries.

posted February 16, 2020 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well he has sun in the 3rd house and I am willing to bet his 3rd house ruler is also playing a role too in his chart or his chart ruler with this..

What sign is his saturn in, what house does it fall in and what aspects is his Saturn making? The same questions for his 3rd house ruler? If possible can you post his chart? Thanks..

Is his saturn in Gemini or leo? Does saturn aspect his 3rd house ruler?

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Im not disagreeing with you I just wanted to add to your point because you were talking about Gemini energy and I remembered him having a 3rd house sun

His Saturn is in Aquarius in the first house. Saturn's only aspect is a close opposition to Jupiter. The ruler of his 3rd house Mars is in Cancer in the 7th house.It has many aspects indeed. I will post the chart now

The wheel:

https://imgur.com/CqSLmEv

The aspects:

posted February 16, 2020 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
Im not disagreeing with you I just wanted to add to your point because you were talking about Gemini energy and I remembered him having a 3rd house sun

His Saturn is in Aquarius in the first house. Saturn's only aspect is a close opposition to Jupiter. The ruler of his 3rd house Mars is in Cancer in the 7th house.It has many aspects indeed. I will post the chart now

The wheel:

https://imgur.com/CqSLmEv

The aspects:

https://imgur.com/D4zlQqr

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Oh thank you much for posting his chart!

This is quite interesting indeed bc you look at his chart at first glance and overall you do get the impression he would be more introverted but then when you zoom in you notice that Mercury square Mars, just that one aspect explains his strong need and compulsion to talk very well.

His Mercury in Aries conjuncts his 3H tightly and aries is impulsive so there is impulsivity in the context of communication. Then you add to this that Mars in cancer rules his Mercury and his 3H and squares his Mercury in Aries both in cardinal signs that are comfortable with taking initiative. Then there is mars squaring mercury further reinforcing more the impulsivity issues with communication which I feel stems from a strong desire to connect with others (mars in cancer on the DC), there is an emotional need to communicate here, his love language must be "words of affirmation" I bet .

Awwww, he has a strong drive to connect via communication and meets his emotional needs this way, with this very strong theme of aries/mars connected to his Mercury and 3H he struggles controlling his impulses around wanting to communicate.

posted February 16, 2020 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Oh thank you much for posting his chart!

This is quite interesting indeed bc you look at his chart at first glance and overall you do get the impression he would be more introverted but then when you zoom in you notice that Mercury square Mars, just that one aspect explains his strong need and compulsion to talk very well.

His Mercury in Aries conjuncts his 3H tightly and aries is impulsive so there is impulsivity in the context of communication. Then you add to this that Mars in cancer rules his Mercury and his 3H and squares his Mercury in Aries both in cardinal signs that are comfortable with taking initiative. Then there is mars squaring mercury further reinforcing more the impulsivity issues with communication which I feel stems from a strong desire to connect with others (mars in cancer on the DC), there is an emotional need to communicate here, his love language must be "words of affirmation" I bet .

Awwww, he has a strong drive to connect via communication and meets his emotional needs this way, with this very strong theme of aries/mars connected to his Mercury and 3H he struggles controlling his impulses around wanting to communicate.

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"he has a strong drive to connect via communication and meets his emotional needs this way"

posted February 16, 2020 02:14 PM            

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Good analysis!

"he has a strong drive to connect via communication and meets his emotional needs this way"

You put into words what I always sensed. That's exactly it!
And sometimes this urge of his is really hard to contain. Many times he gives too much detail and too much unnecessary information but I guess he just sees the whole communication thing differently than I do. He tends to digress and have monologues all the time while I tend to get straight to the point and hate boring people with too many (in my view) unnecessary details. Our mercurys are sextile but we have very different communication styles.
Your analysis makes me understand him a bit more.
Before I forget: I feel Mercury aquare Mars can be very provocative as well which can be detrimental to his need to connect with others via communication. He can drive people away and has in the past, by being too blunt and offensive without wanting to be offensive.

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Thank you! I am similar to you, like I appreciate chattiness but I like people to get to the point, I think is my saggy riser with Mercury in the 9th house and this is even though my mercury is in virgo is like my brain will shut down and start getting impatient if you are not concise and give excessive details that distract me from the point, is like I need you to start broad and be concise and then maybe I can enjoy some of the details but they need to be contained and relevant to the main point. At least this is especially the case if you are talking to me about things I don't have interest in the first place like plumbing lol

posted February 16, 2020 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am noticing that if you have your AC in the 3rd Decan that your 1H ends up been dominated by the energy of the next sign and how you come off in your interactions with others is very much a mixture of both.

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posted February 16, 2020 04:08 PM            

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[QUOTE]My Scorpio Ascendant is in the 3rd Decan. As a result, my first house is dominated by Sagittarius, but I don't relate to the qualities of Sagittarius at all. It's unlikely and almost impossible for anyone to see Sagittarius traits in my personality. The qualities of Scorpio are more highly dominant in my personality, overall personal identity, and outer expression. It's possible that having Pluto in Scorpio conjunct my Ascendant and opposite my Taurus Sun contributes to this.

What's strange though is I feel the traits of Gemini in my 7th house. Granted, maybe that's just because of my Gemini Moon.

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posted February 16, 2020 09:11 PM            

It is not until the Asc is in the last 3° of a sign before the next one becomes significant to the personality (blended personality), or when the 1st (intercepted) house fully engulfs the next sign.

posted February 16, 2020 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Asc (accurately placed) late in a sign never leads to the following sign dominating the personality. If such a thing is actually taking place it is because that next sign has planets in the 1st house.

It is not until the Asc is in the last 3° of a sign before the next one becomes significant to the personality (blended personality), or when the 1st (intercepted) house fully engulfs the next sign.

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I mean I think the other sign in the 1H house also plays a role, is just not the leading role of the movie so to speak and more like qualities that are like the right hand of the leader. Like the AC sign is the president and the other sign occupying the 1H is the vice president, the Vice president is still leading but less visibly and more behind the scenes but if the president dies of coronavirus the Vice President would step it up and get on the spot light.

In some cases the AC sign has a collaborative leadership style and co-leads with the other sign in the 1H blending their strengths together to achieve their objective.

posted February 16, 2020 10:41 PM            

As someone who loves shadow work and integrative psychotherapy it feels a bit to me like not owning certain parts of you or lacking awareness of how it manifests in yourself and in your life.

posted February 18, 2020 06:13 AM            

My sister has Aqua rising just like me, same decan but hers is even CLOSER to being a Pisces rising! Hers is at 29 degrees. Honestly I think she fits more of the Aqua rising even more than myself lol I don't really see Pisces qualities in her too much. Even with her Uranus and Neptune in the 12th house. I have those placements as well. And well Im not sure exactly maybe she is the one that seems more Pisces and maybe I have a different image of what I think a Pisces would come off as lol she is also more introverted than the typical Aqua rising though.

posted February 18, 2020 07:09 AM            

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I do feel the presence of that interception especially with my descendent. Since Pisces is intercepted in my 1st house, Virgo is intercepted in my 7th house, and honestly I find I am more attracted to Virgo placements in what I like in a partner than Leo, for sure. Leo is my descendent and supposed to be what I like in a partner, but honestly Ive always felt the Virgo more. So I feel like the intercepted signs are pretty significant.

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It sounds like you are mixing up the meaning of H7 and H5. Basically: H7 is the qualities we don't ourselves possess so we like those 'tasks' being handled by others, H5 is what we feel hot and bothered by/for. Given you have interceptions I don't know your H5 Cusp/Ruler/?etc? to ask if it fits.