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KNG9
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posted February 17, 2020 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on what kind of person would have a Pentagon, a Kite and THREE yods in their birth chart formation? (i thought only 2 so I have only mentioned 2 in the title of this thread, but noticed 3 when I went back to have another look)

PS i know someone with all of this very well and I would be intrigued to see what people might suggest these would say about a person and if it aligns with my experience of them.

I might give some clues as people comment!

Kirra

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KNG9
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posted February 17, 2020 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
https://imgur.com/a/IFKv7pQ

this is a sidereal chart but the formation is the same in tropical

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KNG9
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posted February 17, 2020 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hopefully the link will work to show this chart. i think this is a very unusual chart?

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SecretGeek
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posted February 17, 2020 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many biQuintiles are in the chart?

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KNG9
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posted February 17, 2020 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know what they are! if you copy and paste the link above you should be able to see the chart...
if you mean quincoxes or whatever they are... i think there are only 3 of them (so only one pair and one single) but they are arranged in such a way that they form THREE yods....
it is actually fairly spooky...
btw i did notice afterwards that the pentagon is made up with 3 yods!

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Graham
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posted February 17, 2020 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The configuration is a Pentagon (aka Pandora's Box) - so, contains 3 sextiles that are each at the base of a Yod. ... And the Kite is completed by the IC?*

[ * IC opposes Venus, and forms a Grand Trine with Jupiter and Pluto.]

The Pentagon is a quadrangular figure, and its axis-of-symmetry is from the mid-point of the Mars-Saturn (5Taurus01) to 5Scorpio01 (passing through the circle centre). ... And the Taurus6/Scorpio6 Sabian Symbols of that axis will indicate the 5th/11th house "purpose" of this natal configuration.

Thus ... the kite may be just a mechanism that makes it easier for the chart owner to achieve the 5th/11th house purpose of the pentagon.

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KNG9
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posted February 17, 2020 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about all those yods?

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posted February 17, 2020 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could the kite indicate avoidance of consequence?

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SecretGeek
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posted February 17, 2020 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KNG9:
I don't know what they are! if you copy and paste the link above you should be able to see the chart...
if you mean quincoxes or whatever they are... i think there are only 3 of them (so only one pair and one single) but they are arranged in such a way that they form THREE yods....
it is actually fairly spooky...
btw i did notice afterwards that the pentagon is made up with 3 yods!


Where is "West Bromich"?

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KNG9
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posted February 17, 2020 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is in Britain

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posted February 17, 2020 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KNG9:
That is in Britain

OK, it's misspelled.

I looked it up and saw the one in Britain but wasn't sure.

I'll study it.

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Graham
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posted February 17, 2020 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What about all those yods? ...... Could the kite indicate avoidance of consequence?

The yods facilitate the manifestation of the pentagon ... and my guess is that the kite is doing the same (as a kind of "failsafe" mechanism).

Here's what the Hubers write about the Pentagon/Pandora's Box (in Aspect Pattern Astrology) :-

.... "gives out contradictory messages about himself which make him stand out. He acts as though quite sure of himself, but usually the opposite is the case, which leads to external and internal problems. His internal functioning differs from how he expresses himself outwardly. The qcxs enable him to consciously process everything in a highly sophisticated way, but it is hard for him to show this on the outside. Outwardly, he wants to or is only able to function dualistically, perhaps because those around him expect that. This person must accept that he is inwardly broad-minded, tolerant and sophisticated, but cannot express those qualities outwardly. Very often he has to 'do in Rome as the Romans do', although he does not want to at all. The discrepancy between inside and outside can sometimes become a problem."

"A person with this configuration should already have learned as a child that what he says can be taken the wrong way. This teaches him to keep everything to himself."

So ... would such a person use his trines and sextiles to avoid/minimse consequences? ... Is the Pope a Catholic - was Don Bradman a batsman - and did your friend experience some harsh consequences during childhood?

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posted February 17, 2020 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yoiu are a gifted and / or experienced astrologer Graham!!
yes to all of that. This is someone i have strong karmic bonds with.
This is how it all feels to me now that I've read that... and this is really just stream of conscious ness

The Pentagon could be what keeps him out of sync with his true self, a symbol of being controlled/ controlling maybe? By the need to avoid facing stuff...and therefore unable to express his truth. Being they are made up of the yods that symbolise karmic lessons from lifetimes that are piling up and getting harder to avoid.. now they aspect every corner of his chart! The kite symbolises the possibility of escape if he can face the yods and forsake avoidance.. that he's given his power to... maybe this lifetime he can do it but the Pentagon looks hard to break free of!
He has a lot of addictive and even violence issues when he's challenged (narcissism really)

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posted February 17, 2020 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And yes i think that the 5th house (his children) and the 11th house (havibg to fit in socially) are the things that keep him from being completely lost because they demand that connection of his inner world to things outside. That are the things that might force him to remember who he is.

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posted February 17, 2020 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have 2 yods in my chart, involving Uranus, Moon, Mars, and Jupiter. Uranus is at the apex of both yods. I also have a Thor's Hammer in my chart involving Saturn, Moon, Mars, and Venus.

Yods run in my family. So do stelliums. We're all pretty intense personalities below the surface.

A little extra info on yods:

https://astrologyking.com/yod/

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posted February 19, 2020 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I couldn't find anything interesting to add to the discussion.

Thank-you for the opportunity.

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posted February 19, 2020 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KNG9:
Yoiu are a gifted and / or experienced astrologer Graham!!
yes to all of that. This is someone i have strong karmic bonds with.
This is how it all feels to me now that I've read that... and this is really just stream of conscious ness

The Pentagon could be what keeps him out of sync with his true self, a symbol of being controlled/ controlling maybe? By the need to avoid facing stuff...and therefore unable to express his truth. Being they are made up of the yods that symbolise karmic lessons from lifetimes that are piling up and getting harder to avoid.. now they aspect every corner of his chart! The kite symbolises the possibility of escape if he can face the yods and forsake avoidance.. that he's given his power to... maybe this lifetime he can do it but the Pentagon looks hard to break free of!
He has a lot of addictive and even violence issues when he's challenged (narcissism really)


Are you exploring the astrological indicators with the intention of helping him to overcome them, or is the aim only to confirm your current instinctive+astrological understanding of him?*

[ * Your Davison Relationship Chart contains a close-orbed 54th harmonic triangle ... Sun-Mars-Uranus ... 54H = confidence, but 27H = Complacency and 2H = opposition --- "confidence displayed when complacency is questioned"? ... And might that complacency relate to conditioned beliefs/behaviours (from childhood) that have never been questioned (by him)?

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KNG9
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posted February 19, 2020 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, to be able to understand him in order to protect myself. He's been manipulating me and my kids for years. If i understand i can make sense of it. Otherwise it's just going to keep breaking my heart, pulling the rug from under my feet and scaring me. This is a person i have trusted and given the benefit of the doubt to because i don't understand what i was dealing with. If i can understand what would make a person act the way he does it will help me be less niave in dealing with him. I used to think his chart was really beautiful and special and magical looking. But he's turned out to be a violent narcissist and that has been a big lesson and I'm trying to learn the lesson.

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posted February 19, 2020 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KNG9:
To be honest, to be able to understand him in order to protect myself. He's been manipulating me and my kids for years. If i understand i can make sense of it. Otherwise it's just going to keep breaking my heart, pulling the rug from under my feet and scaring me. This is a person i have trusted and given the benefit of the doubt to because i don't understand what i was dealing with. If i can understand what would make a person act the way he does it will help me be less niave in dealing with him. I used to think his chart was really beautiful and special and magical looking. But he's turned out to be a violent narcissist and that has been a big lesson and I'm trying to learn the lesson.

The above = you "speaking" your part in the Davison 54H triangle.

And, have you noticed that (in synastry) your natal Mercury-Pluto combines with his natal Mars-Saturn-Pluto Learning Triangle, to form (what the Hubers call) a Model configuration*? ... So, by interacting with you, he is unconsciously learning about himself --- perhaps by testing the boundaries within which his behaviour is "accepted".

[ * "The Model provides (the chart owner with) a greater context in which experiences can be perceived and generalised." ... Aspect Pattern Astrology, by the Hubers.]

BUT, your (intellectually curious) 9th-3rd house Mercury-Pluto qcx falls in his 1st house (of self-image) and 8th house (of other people's values). ... So, when you ask your intellectually curious questions - he hears/perceives a potential threat to his self-image.

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KNG9
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posted February 19, 2020 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KNG9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow thank you! So yes it is so important i am empowered with him.. for us both. Thank you! Also we have sn, asc and Saturn conjunction and so does our son with us so karmic bonds for the three of us.

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