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MilaBirkin
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posted February 24, 2020 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MilaBirkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people say he was born on February 25 at 00:10, but other people say he was born on February 24 at 23:50. I see him more as a Scorpio rising, not as much as a Libra rising. What you think? He could be Libra rising but the truth is that I have a hard time accepting it, almost everything screams Scorpio, to me.

I'm going to add a few things about him, I saw a lot of interviews about him and people who knew him.

🖤People always said that he is the quiet and shy Beatle. But, many people who knew him said that he could sometimes talk a lot and that he was not very shy. Although, he himself said in an interview that he doesn't like to talk much.

🖤A man once said that when he first met the band, he said that if they didn't like something they can tell that to him and they were all very nice but George said "well I don't like your shirt" or something like that that he was wearing or the hairstyle, I don't remember well. Everyone was uncomfortable but then they started laughing. Even Yoko Ono said that George always said things that made people feel uncomfortable.

🖤George talks a lot about life and death in his songs. He was very interested in what was not material, he wanted to go beyond. Many times he spoke of death and in an enthusiastic way.

🖤He spent a lot of time in his house, taking care of his plants and seemed to like that more than leaving his house to the outside world.

🖤Ringo said George was 'peace and anger'.

Well, those are some things, I don't want to write so much so that it is not tedious to read all this, haha.
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posted February 24, 2020 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has this intense heavy serious look on his eyes that I feel is plutonic so am leaning towards scorpio rising too right now. Seriousness can be an 8H/Pluto/scorpio thing bc such person allows himself to see the darkness in the world and not shelter themselves from it and it can take a toll a little bit on your soul which reflects on your eyes. So scorpio rising or pluto aspecting his AC or 8H stellium aspecting his AC.

Need to see his chart and think about it more...

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posted February 25, 2020 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=george+harrison+face+image&FORM=HDRSC2

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Harrison,_George

To me, he looks like Scorpio Rising.

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posted February 25, 2020 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many people say Rasputin is Scorpio ASC. Even Starkman rectified to a Scorpio ASC.

Rasputin vs Harrison:
Rasputin - http://tinyurl.com/ueu7few
Harrison - http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/400036760693-0-1/s-l1000.jpg


Furthermore - albeit Harrison had different styles - the images I looked up of Harrison just now (using duckduckgo.com) showed several of him having an unkempt/crazy beard + longish hair(see Rasputin) -- which is a style common amongst Scorpio/Pluto/H8-types.

Only odd thing is with Moon so close to ASC, you'd expect a fleshier and/or rounded face - but perhaps Harrison's ASC Ruler(1/2 - Mars) being in Cap gives the gauntness/boniness/skinniness and trumps the Moon/ASC (Starkman says Rasputin has Moon-opp-ASC, and he has a rounded/fleshy face).

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posted February 25, 2020 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Don't compare poor Rasputin to Harrison, or is it the other way around..

But yeah the similarities are definitely strikinggg!!!...

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posted February 25, 2020 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He looks nothing like a Libra rising

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posted February 25, 2020 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the version were he has scorpio rising, his moon is in scorpio at aries point conjuncting his AC which I feel gives him more round features.

We all see Scorpio

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posted February 25, 2020 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio Rising from 7 to 10 degrees.

Aqua Mercury closely square the Asc degree indicating taller stature, and which along with the Cap Mars, indicating a leaner frame/faster metabolism than Scorpio tends to in an archetypal sense (Scorpio being one of the more thick, strong/muscular, average to slightly below height, and/or stout Rising Signs). Sun trine Asc also indicating greater height. But the Mercury square is closer.

Close Moon Asc conjunction doesn't fit whatsoever. That would be a short, tending towards the heavy (slow metabolism) type of body correlation. Both Moon and Scorpio tend towards a slower metabolism. It's maybe rather widely conjunct the Asc, indicating a slight paling, as well as preoccupation with women, but it's clear that the Aqua Mercury square is far stronger.

Genetics/hereditary causes the looks, the astrology only aligns and correlates with and reflects it symbolically.

That fact that his long time, 2nd wife is a Taurus Sun also argues for a Scorpio Asc. His intense focus on sex (was pretty much a sex addict for a chunk of his life) also argues for same.


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posted February 25, 2020 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Cayce's guidance pointed out time and time again, exact physical birth time doesn't matter diddly.

What does matter is time of full energetic/Soul connection to the body. This does sometimes coincide with the physical/1st breath time, but sometimes doesn't. Sometimes there are many hours difference.

Having a good understanding of the physical looks level of astrology, along with a very holistic synthesis capacity, and/or more traditional forms of rectification can help a person to figure out the true chart.
As to the holistic synthesis, for starters, there are always powerful synastry patterns with closest people when the Rising Sign is correct. Same and opposite Signs with different important and/or personal symbols are a constant pattern that I see. Particularly so with Sun, Rising, Moon, Venus, Mars, and Chart ruler being same or opposite these same, but different symbols is very, very common (Sun to Rising, Moon, Venus, Mars, chart ruler. Rising to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, chart ruler. Etc)

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posted February 25, 2020 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has eyes like mine, and I’m apparently a Scorpio rising. Mum was surprised when I told her, assuming that I’d be a libra rising (because of my personality).

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posted February 25, 2020 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio----feel quite certain. Libra has a sunny vibe like me

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posted February 25, 2020 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Scorpio----feel quite certain. Libra has a sunny vibe like me


I used to as well. Scorpio doesn't equal a miserable person.

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posted February 26, 2020 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've worked with his chart and I believe the correct Asc is 26° Libra, so that would put it conjunct Moon 0° Scorpio in 1st house.

Transits Marriage #1 to Pattie Boyd - 21 January 1966.
Notice how many transiting planets are around 20-22°. Jupiter and Mars are in trines to Asc, sextiles to DC if Asc is 26° Libra. They're around 6° out if Asc is 28° Libra, which is too wide for transits. And notice Venus down near the IC in this chart (using the time 11:42 PM, the alternative birth time posted on Astrodatabank).


Transits Marriage #2 - 2 September 1978. (Date set here for 3rd because 0:00 UT/GMT gives afternoon time for 2nd in L.A./wedding location.)
Notice Venus at 26°, Jupiter 29° Cancer squaring Asc. And more importantly here North Node helps pinpoint the Asc/DC axis along with Venus.

Also notice that along the IC/MC axis is Mercury & Pluto. Harrison was very influential (Pluto-MC), yet his solo career was born out of frustration with McCartney-Lennon under-utilizing his guitar playing and songwriting talents (Mercury). Mercury's position near IC in 4th shows a solo career better suited him.

The progressions also confirm 26° Libra as a valid Asc, but there's a lot more than these two events involved in a rectification or chart validation. I've not yet posted an article on George Harrison's birth chart because I've been wanting to deliver it as part of a total Beatles package, which may never happen.

And in case you're not convined, here are Synastries with his two wives ...

26° Libra chart - Synastry with wife #1, Pattie Boyd (B-rated time, ignore Moon pos & Asc/MC):

26° Libra chart - Synastry with wife #2, Olivia Arias (unknown time, noon used, ignore Moon, Asc/MC):

You don't even have to refer to the declinations with the synastries since the wives' planets in longitude confirm George's Asc in late Libra so well.

This is actually a birth chart that exposes the fault line in the notion of 'moment of delivery' (or 'first breath') being synonymous with precisely correct Ascendant figures. George clearly demonstrated a Libran personality in various relationships with his love of the ladies, repeated infidelities, and successful collaborations with a wide variety of musicians well beyond the Beatles. He remained very close friends with the other three Beatles in spite of being overshadowed by the Lennon-McCartney songwriting duo. He rather spontaneously and gracefully founded the greatest rock super group, The Traveling Wilburys, which included: Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Jeff Lynne (ELO), and Roy Orbison. Talk about lightning in a bottle!

And if you're still not convinced ...

26° Libra chart's death transits. Neptune right on IC/4th house cusp, first house of endings:

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posted February 26, 2020 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio

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just saw his chart, seems like his moon is in scorpio, hmmm. not sure about his AC now, but I still think a 70% that it is scorpio.

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posted February 26, 2020 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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George clearly demonstrated a Libran personality in various relationships with his love of the ladies, repeated infidelities, and successful collaborations with a wide variety of musicians well beyond the Beatles. He remained very close friends with the other three Beatles in spite of being overshadowed by the Lennon-McCartney songwriting duo. He rather spontaneously and gracefully founded the greatest rock super group, The Traveling Wilburys, which included: Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Jeff Lynne (ELO), and Roy Orbison. Talk about lightning in a bottle!

Yeah, sure, Libra likes romance, and especially being in a relationship. It's a sign that tends towards co-dependency more than most. Those with Libra very strong tend to really want and almost feel like they need to be in a long term, committed type relationship.

But is this what was going on with George? Not really. He was a sex addict, pure and simple. He was way overly attached to sex. What Rising Sign besides Leo has the most prodigious sex drive and strong focus on sex? Scorpio.

He wasn't courting these ladies and being romantic. He wasn't trying to have actual relationships with them. He was like, I want your body and energy, you want my body and energy, now let's shag, and he did it serially.

This is one of the shadow expressions of Scorpio--especially Scorpio males. It is due to a combination of their innate very strong sex drive due to strong vital forces, mixed with a tendency to mix up sexual merging with the Feminine as a "spiritual" thing, and unconsciously as a way to get in touch with their inner Feminine.

However, it doesn't quite work that way in real life, and so they can get quite addicted to such patterns, even though it might feel empty after awhile. I hope when he passed, he bypassed the "pile" that Bob Monroe perceived and talked about--Bob a Scorpio Sun who also had a strong drive and focus, and perhaps had that experience partially as a guidance message/not so subtle warning about where over attachment to sex can lead.

In general, George was a man of extremes and INTENSITY, which fits Scorpio Asc more than Libra. Libra is about, or eventually tries to become about balance. Scorpio is about extremes and delving into life with intensity and with no middle ground. Many articles describe George like this. Here is one: http://theweek.com/articles/481422/george-harrison-beatle-who-hated-fame

Also consider that his first major illness--throat cancer, dealt with the opposite Sign of his potential Rising Sign--Taurus and the throat. There are often a mirroring and reflection action that can happen with Rising Signs in relation to their opposite Sign and the parts of the body that it rules. For example, I have Leo Rising, and I've had an ankle issue off and on for awhile.

As to the transits, I will have to look more into that when I have time.

If he does have Libra Rising, it's likely probably even more closely cusping Scorpio. However, a close Moon Asc conjunction just doesn't fit him holistically from looks to personality.

As to his collaborations with others, and his general creativity, let's not forget the obvious here. He had Pisces Sun with Pisces Venus closely cusping Aries. Pisces is the most merging/blending Sign there is (and being co-ruled by Jupiter, can be quite sociable when it's in the mood), and also very creative. With his Venus closely cusping Aries, and in the 5th House, he's going to be more sociable and active, and the 5th House placement shows a double emphasis on creativity and/or possible collaboration with others in creativity. Venus is not an energy that likes to do things solely on it's own. Collaboration is kind of it's bread and butter.

One doesn't need a Libra Rising to get those traits and tendencies with the rest of his chart.

And yet, he had this brooding, intense, hard to get to know quality that fits Scorpio Rising far better. He was quite sociable with people he trusted and liked, but in general, he could be a bit stand offish and was a deeply private person. He disliked the fame aspect more than any other member of The Beatles.

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posted February 26, 2020 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My last lover with scorpio rising was super kinky and died at 28 I suspect doing something related to sex or suicide. If he was a scorpio riser it makes sense he was a very sexual person if he also has a strong mars, libra risers are more vanilla and he does have a strong mars, he has mars in capricorn exalted opposite Jupiter so that would give him a high sex drive period but add scorpio riser and he could be obsessed with sex with that combo, don't know a lot about him or his sex life.

He does have somewhat round features, the eyes, and since he has moon square mars in the 3H and moon square mercury in the 3H I feel this would give him a fast metabolism (mercury/3H/Mars all lean towards lean/skinny and fast metabolisms), having moon on the 1H does not automatically mean the person will be fat, there is also free will playing out too.

His moon on the AC also forms a YOD with Saturn in the 8H and venus in the 5H which I feel is a marker for his artistic destiny and also supports the sex addiction theory along with mars opposite jupiter and scorpio rising.

However a libra riser can be highly sexual too, like Dumuzi who has Mars on the IC as the apex of a TSquare between Venus opposite Moon also on angles with rule of the 5H Uranus in the 3H in Saggy.

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posted February 26, 2020 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its interesting that no matter if his rising is libra or scorpio his chart ruler will be VENUS trine PLUTO.

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posted February 26, 2020 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Kannon or GCE:

Do you attribute any meaning to if a person was born "late/early"?

I'm talking days+. Evidently, I refused to come out for 5 days. The time I started to/should have come out is unknown, but had I not refused to birth for those 5 days, my Moon would've changed from Cap->Sco. Even though I'm plenty 'Scorpionic' as it is, Scorp Moon is definitely not me (those ******** be crazy, lol). So..... ?

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posted February 26, 2020 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ULT12

Late makes me think Saturn, do you have saturn in the 12H?

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posted February 27, 2020 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ULT12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Nah, H8. I do have it conj Moon though, and am imo extremely Saturn-dominant.

I've never thought about it but I guess Moon/Saturn alone could be an indicator for delayed(Saturn) birth(Moon=natural/automatic&core self). Neat.

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posted February 27, 2020 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ULT12:
[B]@Kannon or GCE:


Haven't ever really thought about it before. It's an interesting question. Sometime when I have time and energy, I'll tune into guidance and see what I get, if anything.

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posted February 27, 2020 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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However a libra riser can be highly sexual too, like Dumuzi who has Mars on the IC as the apex of a TSquare between Venus opposite Moon also on angles with rule of the 5H Uranus in the 3H in Saggy.[/B]

Dumuzi also has Pluto in the 1st House. That's a pretty good dose of vavava vvrooommmm, vvrooommm.

It's not really due to the Libra in and of itself. Libra Rising in and of itself, is moderately sexed. Not highly sexed like Scorpio, Aries, Taurus, and Leo Rising Signs. Note: these Sign archetypes all have a decent amount of some sort of red shading into their archetypal color vibratory ranges. Scorpio- deep reddish purple, Aries basic red, Taurus dusty rose red, and Leo high orange (orange being a blend of red and yellow).


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posted February 27, 2020 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has pluto at the end of his 1H while Mars is on his IC forming a tsquare with venus on his AC and Moon on his DC and Mars on the IC is the APEX of the tsquare so Mars is very strong in his chart.

I didn't say his high sex drive was bec he was a libra riser, I said there are libra risers who have a high sex drive because they have a strong mars so it can happen still if the person has a strong mars but yes perhaps his pluto in the 1H even though it is at the end also reinforces this. I feel Mars at the apex of a tsquare is very powerful though specially if you the tsquare fall on his angles.

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posted February 27, 2020 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good points. Mars is most likely quite a big part of it for him, I agree.

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posted March 04, 2020 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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