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Brenda_S
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posted February 25, 2020 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Say if the woman holds the Mars and the man the Venus... How much should you rely on the traditional form of stuff in regards to who acts out which part of the dynamic? Should you allow the guy to tap into his Martian energy? AKA, will he feel emasculated if the woman takes on that part... if it's his Venus and her Mars making an aspect...

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posted February 26, 2020 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think of it as a measure of testosterone and estrogen and their minimums and maximums.

So they could theoretically be anything in between.

It's likely a non-linear pattern.

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posted February 26, 2020 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Venus Opposite her Mars within 4° orb. I always feel she is assertive in all matters where me the passive person in this relationship.

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posted February 26, 2020 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I think of it as a measure of testosterone and estrogen and their minimums and maximums.

So they could theoretically be anything in between.

It's likely a non-linear pattern.


How would you divide these 'bodies' as two separate entities though, which is what male/female is? Or are you saying that one can tap into whichever one they technically choose to?

Cuz I'm curious if men would be thrown off by this, as dating coaches generally claim.

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posted February 26, 2020 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Somna7H:
My Venus Opposite her Mars within 4° orb. I always feel she is assertive in all matters where me the passive person in this relationship.

How do you feel about being the passive one? Do you feel comfortable in your skin within the relationship dynamic?

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posted February 26, 2020 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
How would you divide these 'bodies' as two separate entities though, which is what male/female is? Or are you saying that one can tap into whichever one they technically choose to?

Cuz I'm curious if men would be thrown off by this, as dating coaches generally claim.



I'd have to think of the appropriate wording so as to not offend anyone.

This seems to be a touchy subject.

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posted February 26, 2020 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Say if the woman holds the Mars and the man the Venus... How much should you rely on the traditional form of stuff in regards to who acts out which part of the dynamic? Should you allow the guy to tap into his Martian energy? AKA, will he feel emasculated if the woman takes on that part... if it's his Venus and her Mars making an aspect...

Mars is the expression of the self. Venus is our internal value system I.e what we find beautiful or "attractive".

If the two signs Ven/Mars are in conj or sextile. That's good.

If the two signs are in square or opposition,there could be problems.

A person(man/woman) with Venus in Aries may find a bold/upfront(Aries) attitude attractive.

A woman with Mars in Aries hits on a guy who has Venus in Aries/Leo or Sag- good.

He is likely not going to find her advances "inappropriate" as she fits the mould of what he finds energetically attractive i.e "fiery"(Aries) people(Ven)

If her Mars is in Lib & she (indirectly) hints that she likes him by dressing all pretty around him or asking more one on one time etc.He is still receptive.

Her approach may be less fiery, but it is still open and honest i.e "I like you". She may even code these words underneath their conversation(Lib Mars can be very seductive).

If her Mars is in Cancer, her approach is more discreet.She may not give much away but circle around him indirectly.

Cancer(when they like you) will mother you a lot.And with Mars in Cancer, she may show she likes the Venus in Aries man by "mothering" him-a lot.

This is a square, her Mars energy is not well received by the Aries Venus male.

He may interpret her Mars instinctive actions as "stifling","too meddling","annoying" etc. Because above all,Ari wants freedom & values personal freedom to be.

He may not even see that she likes him at all.Her indirect approach will be lost on him (unless he has Mars in earth or water).But it will not be lost to Sco/Pis Man.

You see,the latter two love to be dotted upon and have someone do all sorts of "nurturing" things for them. It's what they value(Ven in water).

So for them,they may read her "indirect" cues (as far as ithers are concerned)as very "direct" to them i.e they say "I like you".

But what if she has a Mars in Leo and she approaches a man with Venus in Tau?Problems.

Her natural state of being(Mars) is being authoritative I.e "I want you to do lunch with me on Friday."

His value system is more traditional(Ven is at home in the sign of Tau) and so in his head , he is saying "a woman does not make moves on a man. What kind of a woman is this?"

So already there is a tension. But if he has Mars in Aries/Sag or complementary Gemini/ Lib, even as he finds her approach a little awkward for him(square) etc. He is flexible and will adjust.

With women being the Ven in Leo & the guy having Mars in Tau, it's a bit of a frustrating situation.

She will wonder when he will be "man enough" and make the first move? Meanwhile he could be doing just that by visiting her occasionally and bringing flowers etc.

But she overlooks all that because she is waiting for a grand gesture(Leo) to kickstart things on a high. And that's not how Taurus Mars works.

If she has Mars in Cap however, she will be more understanding. She'll understand how he expresses himself.

And if he has Venus in Sco(she being Ven in Leo) their arguments may centre around inherent and often uncommunicated value sytems.

Maybe one area would be that she loves to spend money(Venus ruled) on big things & may even go into debt? Meanwhile he wants to control her credit card and what she spends her money on (Sco Ven is domineering too).

Fixed signs tend to get together and stay together even as they disagree. Their new "normal" becomes the arguments.

And if they are together long enough, their "fixed" natures commit them to each other & has them both "stay put" or be drawn back to each other time & again.

In this example however,he will stay put because he also likes the way she expresses herself( Mars in Cap sextile Sco Ven).

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posted February 26, 2020 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I definitely see it as Yang and Yin, Mars representing Penis, and Venus represeting Vagina, would a guy like a woman on top taking control of the whole sex ? Some might, some might not, me, I usually go in first, then I let them take control, but after a while I get bored of the passivity and just turn it upside down!!!

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posted February 26, 2020 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda_S:
How do you feel about being the passive one? Do you feel comfortable in your skin within the relationship dynamic?

Most time I feel comfortable.
It's my first relationship so I don't have much experience.

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posted February 26, 2020 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends largely on the individuals inner attunement. Men that are more tipped to the Yin within, will be ok with it, and may even prefer the woman taking the lead--and if the woman is more tipped to the Yang within, she might prefer taking the lead anyways.

Just depends.

Get's a little more complicated with two people that are very blended/balanced for the most part.

In general, I'm slightly tipped to the Yin and my partner slightly tipped to the Yang internally.

However, when it comes to the actual act, our bodies tend to take over, and she tends to become more passive and I more Yang. It's kind of odd because of how it's different than we are normally. But, I have a pretty Yang body (decent amount of testosterone), and she has a fairly Yin body.

It's only on the internal, Soul levels where I'm slightly tipped to the Yin and she to the Yang.

I have a double Venus-Mars opposition with another person and while we never became intimate, there was times when she took the more directive role and there were times I took the more directive role in a general sense.

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