posted April 14, 2020 09:59 PM            

So on one hand is cool to hear others join but is also super cool to do it on your own, is that the venus conjunct mars in LEO in the 8th trine my AC.

posted April 15, 2020 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
@Orange @Hypatia Aww my girlies, there's no howling from my flat, last time I bumped my foot into a door the neighbours called the police, I wish I could say it’s nice to feel they worry about me, but it was about the noise disturbance (and if was just a single cry! Lol)
But when lockdown is over, there's a forest not too far and I regularly hit the woods in the summer and yell, not as beautiful or adorable as you guys (yup Orange, I do feel the Pluto, its is so warm 😊 ) more like those 70's primal cry therapies, and it's just so good lol

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It hurts my soul every time I hear about neighbors like that, there is usually at least one Jack As* always around. The truth is that cops would not pursue this bc you are not doing anything wrong if you howl for one minute at 8PM, after 10PM maybe yes. And cops have better things to do.

posted April 15, 2020 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I can hear it as if I was there!
wish more people howled here in this thread.

btw, every sound that one lets out from within feels good. Especially when out in the nature. Just shouting aaaaaaah out in the woods feels good.

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posted April 15, 2020 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
I would like to Roar!

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Go for it!

hahahaha

posted April 16, 2020 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
It hurts my soul every time I hear about neighbors like that,...

You are in America right?

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posted April 17, 2020 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I feel Europe is doing a lot worst. I am glad to be here.

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posted April 17, 2020 02:18 PM            

Guns need to be taken seriously and used responsibly but if everyone is unarmed and then you have super relaxed immigration laws inviting illegal immigrants to come in with no vetting or restrictions you are putting yourself in a position were you give another nation the power to slowly invade your country and then you won't be able to defend yourself or deter others from taking over your country, they will see you as an easy target. With anything in life there needs to be boundaries set to some extent.

posted April 17, 2020 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think we now have the highest number of deaths.

People aren't howling in our area. I used to have small dogs that howled - siblings. If I tried to call out or yell to get them to be quiet, it didn't work, it was like they thought I was joining in. So I let them be, and they would stop sooner - it was actually pretty, though. They would synchronize.

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WE don't know the truth at all about the China death rates, they have been lying and suppressing information from the start.

That been said the USA has A LOT more people than SPAIN or ITALY, like a lot more so statistics are tricky. We have to use a specific formula to address this and get an accurate picture.

For example:

"As of March 23, in Italy, the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 total 9.4 per 100,000 people in Italy.

Meanwhile, in the United States, the total is 0.2 deaths per 100,000. Among the top ten countries in terms of total cases, the US has the second-lowest rate per 100,00, behind only Germany, which has so far a remarkably small number of deaths."

http://mises.org/wire/uss-covid-19-death-rate-far-below-rates-italy-and-spain

This article was published four days ago to reference something more current:

The US is the hardest-hit country in the coronavirus pandemic — but its 4% death rate is far lower than that of many other countries

The US has reported more than 584,000 coronavirus cases and at least 23,600 deaths — the highest counts worldwide.

But the US's COVID-19 death rate — a calculation that divides the number of deaths by the total number of cases — is among the lowest of the world's 13 hardest-hit countries.

The US's coronavirus death rate is currently 4.1%, the same as the rate in China. The US also has one of the lowest rates of death per capita, according to data from Johns Hopkins University — seven Americans have died per 100,000 residents.

Italy and Belgium's death rates, by contrast, are 12.8%, and the UK's is 12.7%. Italy has reported at least 20,400 deaths, the UK has reported more than 11,300, and Belgium had nearly 4,000 as of Tuesday morning.

Germany and Turkey have the lowest death rates among the countries on the list — 2.5% and 2.1%, respectively.

Spain tops the deaths-per-capita list, with 38 people dying per every 100,000. Italy and Belgium both have a per-capita death rate of about 34 per 100,000 people.
http://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-in-us-uk-italy-china-compared- 2020-4

posted April 17, 2020 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
...if everyone is unarmed and then you have super relaxed immigration laws inviting illegal immigrants to come in with no vetting or restrictions you are putting yourself in a position were you give another nation the power to slowly invade your country and then you won't be able to defend yourself or deter others from taking over your country, they will see you as an easy target.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I never like double standards.

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To me the only double standard here is you, an immigrant, advocating gun violence as part of an immigration policy.
Regardless of whether it actually is “double standard” or deserves another name, whatever, but, I cannot see a day where I will get over the most primitively negative humanity, and yes, nationalist in a racist kind of way, of that line of thought.
My whole life is about sharing, giving, about gentleness and welcoming, there is no room in it whatsoever for your or anyone else’s talk of war and implied superiority justifying said violence (“taking over”, “easy target”, “defend”, “power”, “invade”). The hatred-and-fear-mongering of those words… 😞 😞 😞
The wall that keeps the misery those on the other side have created out, keeps my heart out.
Take care.

posted April 17, 2020 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
WE don't know the truth at all about the China death rates, they have been lying and suppressing information from the start.

That been said the USA has A LOT more people than SPAIN or ITALY, like a lot more so statistics are tricky. We have to use a specific formula to address this and get an accurate picture.

For example:

"As of March 23, in Italy, the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19 total 9.4 per 100,000 people in Italy.

Meanwhile, in the United States, the total is 0.2 deaths per 100,000. Among the top ten countries in terms of total cases, the US has the second-lowest rate per 100,00, behind only Germany, which has so far a remarkably small number of deaths."

http://mises.org/wire/uss-covid-19-death-rate-far-below-rates-italy-and-spain

This article was published four days ago to reference something more current:

[b]The US is the hardest-hit country in the coronavirus pandemic — but its 4% death rate is far lower than that of many other countries

The US has reported more than 584,000 coronavirus cases and at least 23,600 deaths — the highest counts worldwide.

But the US's COVID-19 death rate — a calculation that divides the number of deaths by the total number of cases — is among the lowest of the world's 13 hardest-hit countries.

The US's coronavirus death rate is currently 4.1%, the same as the rate in China. The US also has one of the lowest rates of death per capita, according to data from Johns Hopkins University — seven Americans have died per 100,000 residents.

Italy and Belgium's death rates, by contrast, are 12.8%, and the UK's is 12.7%. Italy has reported at least 20,400 deaths, the UK has reported more than 11,300, and Belgium had nearly 4,000 as of Tuesday morning.

Germany and Turkey have the lowest death rates among the countries on the list — 2.5% and 2.1%, respectively.

Spain tops the deaths-per-capita list, with 38 people dying per every 100,000. Italy and Belgium both have a per-capita death rate of about 34 per 100,000 people.
http://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-in-us-uk-italy-china-compared- 2020-4

^^There is a nice graph in that article that gives this a visual.[/B]

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I’m not going to get into an argument or debate, and get another thread closed. I have friends and family in England. The Taurus I’ve mentioned is in Europe (and staying safe). I get to hear about how things are over there. One English friend lost an older family member to covid. There is a 41-year-old guy in the news, who was healthy, and now he’s the opposite, here in the US.

posted April 17, 2020 03:40 PM            

Immigration is a wonderful thing as well as diversity but precautions need to be made in this process, everything needs to be approached in life with balance. My views on immigration are moderate but people have gone so far to the left that moderate is racist and is not. The word racism has lost valued because is overused for everything and to shame people with more moderate views.

posted April 17, 2020 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I’m not going to get into an argument or debate, and get another thread closed. I have friends and family in England. The Taurus I’ve mentioned is in Europe (and staying safe). I get to hear about how things are over there. One English friend lost an older family member to covid. There is a 41-year-old guy in the news, who was healthy, and now he’s the opposite, here in the US.

Now our idiot president is tweeting at everyone to free different States. He’s insane. But I’m not going to keep getting into it.

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I pointed out the data and how it can be tricky to analyze statistics and how the total number of people in a population needs to be taken into account when analyzing data. Our death rate per 100,000 people is low actually.

Btw Trump is leaving it to the governor's in each state to decide when to open back up the economy.

The projections of death rates originally made turned out to be wrong and the death rates are a lot lower so we need to reassess this whole thing now. Also some young people have died from this who are healthy but that is a very small minority. Add that before this coronavirus thing as a therapist I have heard many stories of young people under 45 who are healthy dying unexpectedly but with this situation this is getting more attention.

posted April 17, 2020 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I pointed out the data and how it can be tricky to analyze statistics and how the total number of people in a population needs to be taken into account when analyzing data. Our death rate per 100,000 people is low actually.

Btw Trump is leaving it to the governor's in each state to decide when to open back up the economy.

The projections of death rates originally made turned out to be wrong and the death rates are a lot lower so we need to reassess this whole thing now. Also some young people have died from this who are healthy but that is a very small minority. Add that before this coronavirus thing as a therapist I have heard many stories of young people under 45 who are healthy dying unexpectedly but with this situation this is getting more attention.

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He’s leaving it up to governors, because that’s the constitution. They already have that authority. We haven’t had nearly enough testing over here, so we don’t know how many people have been sick or died from this, and we don’t know how many are asymptomatic carriers.

posted April 17, 2020 05:12 PM            

National emergencies are not constitutional in the first place, national or state wise. People should protest because a lockdown is unconstitutional.

I get you are concerned but the risk of this thing was overstated from the beginning it is turning out.

Also, people have a right to survive and earn a living. A shut down that lasts over two months is not sustainable, people are already making gigantic lines to get food in food banks and this thing just started, that is very concerning, most Americans truly do live pay check to pay check.

posted April 17, 2020 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

@Teasel

National emergencies are not constitutional in the first place, national or state wise. People should protest because a lockdown is unconstitutional.

I get you are concerned but the risk of this thing was overstated from the beginning it is turning out.

Also, people have a right to survive and earn a living. A shut down that lasts over two months is not sustainable, people are already making gigantic lines to get food in food banks and this thing just started, that is very concerning, most Americans truly do live pay check to pay check.

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