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ParallelToucan
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posted April 10, 2020 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly, I guess it doesn't necessarily have to be the Moon or Mars, but I just figured they'd both be good examples for what I'm asking. Anyways, my question is what kind of different affects do the elements (water, earth, air, and fire) have on these aspects? For example, since I'm an Aries Moon and Mars, I have Moon Conjunct Mars, and it's in a Cardinal fire placement obviously, so this means that it's going to be carried out in a very Aries, impulsive, impatient, forceful, action oriented way correct? Now, that's a little bit simpler since the Moon and Mars are simpler planets in my opinion as far as what they represent in an individual's chart (emotions and drive/action/anger). Now, with that being said, lets say in regards to other planets now. What about Neptune for example? Or planets aspecting Neptune. Neptune is a little bit more complex of a planet so it's not really straight forward as far as what different elements would do differently. Would water make an individual more psychically inclined with Neptune? What would an air, fire, or Earth Neptune represent? Are there different types of psychic energy out there? Like, I was thinking about it today, I'm pretty good with my hands at work. I consider myself to be second nature or subconscious when it comes to the physical realm. Being able to absorb my environment and as far as the physical realm if that makes sense. Since I'm a Moon in Aries and Neptune in Cap/3rd house. I guess it's hard for me to really explain what I mean but I suppose my ultimate question is are there different "types" of psychic energy/influence/potential in different elements? Like, would I be more inclined to be psychically tuned to pick up on people's emotions if my Neptune was in a water sign instead of an Earth? What do the different elements do or are there different "types" of psychics/mystics/intuition/etc...? If I were to make an educated guess, I would say that there are different types of intuition or psychic abilities. Correct or false? Like I would say that water in Neptune would make someone psychic to emotional energy, I would say an Earth Neptune would make someone possibly extremely psychic with the physical contents of the Earth or perhaps nature, fire (not really sure about fire), and then air I would guess that they'd be able to have telepathic abilities. Would I be correct in saying these things? Also, does simply having an aspect like Moon Square Neptune regardless of the modalities/elements still give everyone the same psychic tendencies if the aspect stood alone by itself? Hopefully that last question made sense.....anyways, thanks and I would rather have an expert answer this rather than an opinion.

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posted April 10, 2020 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the elements of placements talk mostly about the way they express/are felt, whereas the placement itself is the WHAT of it.

So with Neptune being the generational planet of what we collectively believe in- or what ideals and dreams we believe in and want to see in the world (and usually bring with us as we get older, which then has to coincide with younger generations and their perspectives/neptune placements).

Fire is dynamic, immediate expression and very actionable oriented. The desire of feeling something, acting on it, doing what you believe in.

Earth is progressional; it takes time for it to accumulate, because it's extremely solid as it does. It grows over time, and whether or not it's nurtured properly will determine whether it bears fruit or not.

Air is cerebral, the mental realm of thought and imagination. Of communicating idea to speech and spreading of information to all types of sources. It can sometimes lack substance though, and needs grounding as much as the rest of it. Patience as well to understand what the best parts of the swell of information is; you can't hear nuance through a hurricane.

Water is, uh, fluid! It can mold into any situation, sure, but with it comes the potential to lose sight of what was originally. But with water as well, it needs time to recoup and clear itself, to settle the mud that collects or it can be hard to swallow.

So apply the elemental style to any of the 12 signs, and then probably look at the modality; cardinal, which is initiative, fixed, which is sustainable and thorough, or mutable, which is changeable and adaptable.

If looking at Neptune in these contexts, then say Neptune in Capricorn, which is Earth and Cardinal- it's the seed planting stage of growth on a larger scale. Each generation has a neptune placement because large scale change needs a lot of people to help move it along- or that's my guess.

Neptune in Sagittarius (mutable/fire) is adapting to the moment, feeling it out and changing as it flows-- dancing comes to mind, as you feel the beat through your movement. This generation is incredibly able to just ... do what they feel is the next step, or to just move with what's happening. Not every generation is good at that!

Or even forward still- Neptune in Aquarius (fixed/air). The solidifying of mental ideas, really dissecting the depths of certain details, seeing how far one thought can go before moving onto something else- and then following that to how far it can go. In a psychic sense, at least from what I've observed of the younger generations (at least to me), is that they really can hold onto ideas of things for a long time- mostly because that whole generation does, and it sustains them because they can essentially live in their own mental world. (which makes sense, since a lot of their parents were either Neptune in Sag or Capricorn, which ... means parents busy doing their own thing or nurturing something external rather than internal like air likes to be).

Or Neptune in Pisces (water/mutable)- which is what all the current babies being born have. My guess is that, especially with Neptune being in it's most natural sign placement, they'll have that intuitive sense of emotional-emapathy on a huge scale. Their parents are all of us in this new-age spirituality movement, of reconnecting us to the people around us, compassionate understanding for the rest of the world, not just our local town or family. Their grandparents (Neptune I believe is most influenced by 2 generations prior, so grandparent-energy) are the ones as well that grew up in the transitional world of NO INTERNET to GLOBAL CONNECTION through the net.

I think Neptune is a pretty psychic placement in that it's our gateway to our generational collective; the hive mind of what we're all bringing into the world, for better or worse. Which is why it can be weird with boundaries, because if we all seem to have the same thing in our core, it can be odd trying to distinguish self from another, if that makes sense.

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posted April 11, 2020 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by implosions:
I think the elements of placements talk mostly about the way they express/are felt, whereas the placement itself is the WHAT of it.

So with Neptune being the generational planet of what we collectively believe in- or what ideals and dreams we believe in and want to see in the world (and usually bring with us as we get older, which then has to coincide with younger generations and their perspectives/neptune placements).

Fire is dynamic, immediate expression and very actionable oriented. The desire of feeling something, acting on it, doing what you believe in.

Earth is progressional; it takes time for it to accumulate, because it's extremely solid as it does. It grows over time, and whether or not it's nurtured properly will determine whether it bears fruit or not.

Air is cerebral, the mental realm of thought and imagination. Of communicating idea to speech and spreading of information to all types of sources. It can sometimes lack substance though, and needs grounding as much as the rest of it. Patience as well to understand what the best parts of the swell of information is; you can't hear nuance through a hurricane.

Water is, uh, fluid! It can mold into any situation, sure, but with it comes the potential to lose sight of what was originally. But with water as well, it needs time to recoup and clear itself, to settle the mud that collects or it can be hard to swallow.

So apply the elemental style to any of the 12 signs, and then probably look at the modality; cardinal, which is initiative, fixed, which is sustainable and thorough, or mutable, which is changeable and adaptable.

If looking at Neptune in these contexts, then say Neptune in Capricorn, which is Earth and Cardinal- it's the seed planting stage of growth on a larger scale. Each generation has a neptune placement because large scale change needs a lot of people to help move it along- or that's my guess.

Neptune in Sagittarius (mutable/fire) is adapting to the moment, feeling it out and changing as it flows-- dancing comes to mind, as you feel the beat through your movement. This generation is incredibly able to just ... do what they feel is the next step, or to just move with what's happening. Not every generation is good at that!

Or even forward still- Neptune in Aquarius (fixed/air). The solidifying of mental ideas, really dissecting the depths of certain details, seeing how far one thought can go before moving onto something else- and then following that to how far it can go. In a psychic sense, at least from what I've observed of the younger generations (at least to me), is that they really can hold onto ideas of things for a long time- mostly because that whole generation does, and it sustains them because they can essentially live in their own mental world. (which makes sense, since a lot of their parents were either Neptune in Sag or Capricorn, which ... means parents busy doing their own thing or nurturing something external rather than internal like air likes to be).

Or Neptune in Pisces (water/mutable)- which is what all the current babies being born have. My guess is that, especially with Neptune being in it's most natural sign placement, they'll have that intuitive sense of emotional-emapathy on a huge scale. Their parents are all of us in this new-age spirituality movement, of reconnecting us to the people around us, compassionate understanding for the rest of the world, not just our local town or family. Their grandparents (Neptune I believe is most influenced by 2 generations prior, so grandparent-energy) are the ones as well that grew up in the transitional world of NO INTERNET to GLOBAL CONNECTION through the net.

I think Neptune is a pretty psychic placement in that it's our gateway to our generational collective; the hive mind of what we're all bringing into the world, for better or worse. Which is why it can be weird with boundaries, because if we all seem to have the same thing in our core, it can be odd trying to distinguish self from another, if that makes sense.


Thanks for your reply. You're always great at putting things into perspective.

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posted April 11, 2020 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With that being said though, Implosion, I'm still looking for some advice/knowledge on some other specifics. Like, is there such thing as the different types of psychics that I talked about up above previously? I feel like there could "different" types of psychics/mystics/intuition/subconsciousness etc...Anyone have anything to add? Any experts on this? THanks

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posted April 11, 2020 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you mean different types of psychics?

I know there are different types of psychic awareness or clair-abilities. Which, I believe 'clair' means clear. Such as clear-senses.

Clairvoyance = Clear Seeing
Clairaudience = Clear Hearing
Clairsentience = Clear Feeling
Clairalience = Clear Smelling
Clairgustance = Clear Tasting
Claircognizence = Clear Knowing

There are other types as well, and not everyone can do everything, but I think (this is a personal opinion) that humans are technically capable of all the types, but it doesn't come easily to us because no one is typically raised learning it.

As for different types, I'm not sure what you mean in regards to say, subconscious? Although, lol, maybe someone with more experience can jump in here.

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posted April 12, 2020 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by implosions:
How do you mean different types of psychics?

I know there are different types of psychic awareness or clair-abilities. Which, I believe 'clair' means clear. Such as clear-senses.

Clairvoyance = Clear Seeing
Clairaudience = Clear Hearing
Clairsentience = Clear Seeing
Clairalience = Clear Smelling
Clairgustance = Clear Tasting
Claircognizence = Clear Knowing

There are other types as well, and not everyone can do everything, but I think (this is a personal opinion) that humans are technically capable of all the types, but it doesn't come easily to us because no one is typically raised learning it.

As for different types, I'm not sure what you mean in regards to say, subconscious? Although, lol, maybe someone with more experience can jump in here.


Yeah those are what I've found as well. What I'm talking about isn't exactly definitive at all, it's just something I feel could be true. Anyways, yeah lets leave it to the experts. Thanks for giving me a bump! Right on dude! Thanks.

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posted April 12, 2020 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Small correction: Clair-sentience is clear Feeling

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posted April 12, 2020 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
Small correction: Clair-sentience is clear Feeling

Ahaha, you are right, I bumbled.

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posted April 13, 2020 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking about it too, and I got some different insights, but It’s difficult to explain because of my Neptune clouds.
Since square is a challenging aspect. These psychic inclinations with Neptune is a challenge. I proceed subconscious the physical realm and could read some information from absorbing an environment sometimes. However, I think it’s hard to correctly implement this knowledge/ intuition in reality. And it can take you in subconscious circles (squares).

Second, I think people with Neptune squares have hard time to see yourself, but can see the others and some events better and deeper. Some are opposite, they’re good with themselves, but completely cannot comprehend what’s going on around.

Also, somebody with Neptune squares tells me about some signs. I could see some supernatural in it, but cannot see what’s the point and sense in it. I have it myself, sometimes the Signs are related to reality and give insights. Sometimes, I feel it’s just a repeat, circle, and doesn’t make any sense.

There is definitely something deeper than rose-clouds and disappointments in Neptune squares.


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posted April 13, 2020 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I was thinking about it too, and I got some different insights, but It’s difficult to explain because of my Neptune clouds.
Since square is a challenging aspect. These psychic inclinations with Neptune is a challenge. I proceed subconscious the physical realm and could read some information from absorbing an environment sometimes. However, I think it’s hard to correctly implement this knowledge/ intuition in reality. And it can take you in subconscious circles (squares).

Second, I think people with Neptune squares have hard time to see yourself, but can see the others and some events better and deeper. Some are opposite, they’re good with themselves, but completely cannot comprehend what’s going on around.

Also, somebody with Neptune squares tells me about some signs. I could see some supernatural in it, but cannot see what’s the point and sense in it. I have it myself, sometimes the Signs are related to reality and give insights. Sometimes, I feel it’s just a repeat, circle, and doesn’t make any sense.

There is definitely something deeper than rose-clouds and disappointments in Neptune squares.


Thanks for your reply. I guess since most people probably don't understand what I'm talking about (since I feel that other people might interpret astrology similarly but differently, or perhaps people have different perceptions), I guess I'll just go ahead and describe it. I was basically just kind of confused first of all on what I call the "definitive" versions (that's accepted all across the board from everyone in commonality) of different planets as well as elements, and modalities in aspect to one another. It's so hard for me to describe these things since I'm a Mercury in Gemini, yes? But, I'm also a Mercury in the 8th house, so all of my thoughts are hard for me to get out I feel even though I can have so many thoughts and deep thinking going through my mind at once. Anyways, this is exactly why I wanted to allow an expert to be able to come here and try to "sort of" 'hopefully' be able to read in-between the lines of what I was trying to articulate (sigh, smdh, I even feel myself getting off topic as of right now trying to make a damn point, going around in circles, trying to cover 9 billion different viewpoints/aspects/thoughts/etc... at once) I feel like I have to almost prepare a damn essay anytime I want or am trying to explain something to anyone. So, screw it here I go...when I say "definitive" above what I mean is that there is objectivity in astrology. Now, with this "objective" reasoning as a science communicated between all practicing astrologers, sometimes there might be some things that get interpreted a little differently. I think this can lead to a lot of confusion. I just wanted to point that out. Now, I will continue with what I am seemingly trying with all of my brilliant might and beauty to describe (in case you didn't catch it, that was a joke). (for the love of God, this is going to be difficult to transfer my thoughts to another humans brain using the internet). *Downs a whole cup of Vodka with a deep grunt* (not really, though...) *Here we go*... What I MEANT is that with each planet (no matter which planet) there can be some different objective aspects associated (most of you will think, no **** ? Really numbnuts?) Look... just bare with me here... okay cupcakes? Let me just set my mind on one focal point here. Let's just take the Mars Square Uranus/Neptune placements here. ( I have both the Uranus and Neptune). With both of these placements especially connected to Neptune, to me, almost endows sort of a 'supernatural' possible tendency. Except that it could be different with different corresponding elements/modalities (fixed, cardinal, mutable). Let's not even focus on modalities though since I'm trying to give 934823402938203948% effort here not to trail off of topic....(even if it's terribly hard to believe). Let's just focus on the elements, yes? Elements, yes? OKay, yes. Good! You take my placement as an example, which I'm a Mars Aries/6th SQUARE Neptune Capricorn/3rd. What I was MERELY (FOR THE LOVE OF GOD) TRYING to articulate is the fact that the "elemental" aspects can possibly bestow different inherent gifts whether psychic or not(For the love of GOD) that are obviously different from their other 3 elemental counterparts. I AM ASSUMING! THAT! this is all relative and that based on my specific orientation between Mars aspecting my Neptune could very POSSIBLY bestow a "possible" 'physical' psychic or 'subconscious' nature as far as being able to be really good with martial arts as an example, Idk... hand eye coordination, understanding the physical realm or environment... since this is all of course a what now? A Cap NEPTUNE??? NO!!!! IT IS AN EARTH NEPTUNE!!! Key word here men and gentlewomen? "'EARTH'" NEPTUNE. Now what if you flip flopped and stuck other ELEMENTS there instead? Would it bestow other possible psychic, but different, tendencies? Like, lets say a very distinct emotional understanding having a water sign in Neptune instead of my Capricorn? What about Mars, Moon, Saturn, etc... OR, MAYBE, I'm picking up this "physical" subconscious ability from the fact that I'm a Mars in the house of Virgo? (see where I'm going with this?). I'm an objective person but I'm also very open-minded in where I like to see things from others perspective since I truly believe that everything can be relative. It can be both baffling as well as confusing/annoying to another individual, quite possibly. Now, for God's sake, I hope to all Hell in a monkey's shell that I have ARTICULATED WHAT I 'MEANT' profoundly enough to where you people can actually understand what the hell it is that I am trying to communicate. (no offense either)

*As examples*

Water could create mystical/psychic gifts such as absorbing emotional currents when affiliated with the Moon more. Fire could possibly bestow future insight as far as understanding what could be coming. Air could be able to understand the thoughts realm.. and Earth the physical realm or environment.... etc. ....etc.. there are so many variables to consider that I'd be here for 9 billion years trying to list every possible crevice that it'd just quite literally be absolutely ridiculous to try to attempt here on a social website like this one...... Which is WHY I tried to emphasize that I'd like an expert to try and understand what I'm trying to say rather than get into an "Well, I think I 'kind of' understand what he/she is saying, but not really, cuz I'm not that well versed in astrology myself to understand" type of 'conversation' with someone that just happens to be a random astrology looker upper (like me) opposed to someone that has literally engulfed their entire being into astrology. Have I made my point? I still feel like the crickets are chirping here for some reason....

*Edit*

For what it's worth, it hurt me to have to bring out my Leo Southnode as well as my angry Aries Moon during this particular exchange. I'm like a little kid that gets angry when he/she isn't getting their point across effectively. I feel like sometimes throwing temper tantrums.... I'm sorry.....It's annoying for me to have to resort to such depth in explanation when I feel like it could have been much easier to describe by just coming right out and explaining it, which is for whatever reason, very difficult for me to do.... I guess that just goes to show what it's like to have Gemini mixed with Scorpionic influence. I'm guessing at least.... I don't think many people even like to hear what a Mercury in the 8th has to say regardless since we go so deep in conversation I feel like...

Also, another thing I'd like to mention is to just briefly, during this conversation only, toss out all of the "clair" stuff. The reason I say this is because I feel like it could take away from what I'm trying to say. Don't focus in so much on all of the commonly accepted clair aspects mentioned above, even though if I had to pinpoint a clair regarding my post I would say that it has to deal with clair-sentience the most I suppose. What I'm talking about goes so deep and can only be described by using exponential specificity. You can't just wrap it all up into one definitive term. My mind also doesn't work like that either, to me, everything has to not only be described in great detail, but also very creatively to where I even want to listen to what you're even saying in the first place. This is because to me, everything happens for a reason, but at the same time, cut and dry, straight to the point 'mumbo jumbo' just don't cut it for me because I'm sorry to say that it all seems so narrow minded to me. I hate to say it, but it's the truth. Which is why I've called in the big guns (the experts).

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posted April 16, 2020 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ParallelToucan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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