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Topic: A Question Regarding Sidereal Astrology
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Free Leon
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From: Los Angeles
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posted April 29, 2020 09:17 PM
  
My (relatively limited) understanding is that Sidereal astrology is based on the *perceived* locations of the constellations, and how each planet/celestial body in our solar system lines up with them. In other words, in Sidereal astrology, Venus would be in Gemini if we perceive it to be in the constellation of Gemini.I have an issue with this. These constellations are made up of stars that are many light years away. Technically speaking, every single one of these perceived stars are actually in completely different locations from where we perceive them to be. The reason for this is that it takes a long time for their light to reach us. Light from the next closest star takes 8.3 minutes to reach us here on Earth, and light from other stars can take many thousands of years to reach us. Some of these stars have collapsed, gone supernova, and haven't physically existed for a long time... so what effect do they have? How does Sidereal work in light (no pun intended) of these facts? My (much more thorough) understanding of Tropical astrology is that it is based on the seasons and the gravitational influence of the celestial bodies in our solar system. We all feel/experience the effects of the seasons. Beyond that,the Sun is so massive that it has a gravitational influence strong enough to keep other planets orbiting around it, while the Moon is in close enough proximity to Earth that its gravity can pull on the ocean and create the tides. As humans we are made up of approximately 65% water; we are not exempt from the influence of these forces. Among those of us who are especially attuned, we are well aware of the power of a full moon, as well as its other phases. These forces can be consciously experienced/observed, and even for the rest of humanity who is still on their path of awakening, these forces affect them, whether they realize it/accept it or not. With all of this being said, I find Tropical astrology to be more "tangible" and based on real physical phenomena that can be observed and measured. With Sidereal astrology I am having difficulty understanding the premise of its legitimacy within the context of our current understanding of physics. On top of that my Tropical chart is entirely accurate, whereas I do not resonate with my Sidereal chart at all  I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this matter. Do you agree with anything that I've said? Disagree? Why?  IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode
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posted April 29, 2020 09:20 PM
Welcome back!  IP: Logged |
Free Leon
Knowflake Posts: 311
From: Los Angeles
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posted April 29, 2020 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Welcome back!
I knew you would be the first to welcome me back!  Thank you; it's great to be back IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode
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posted April 29, 2020 10:18 PM
I feel similar to you about this. IQ once said to me that sidereal is how you are when you are alone and by yourself and tropical is how you are when you interact with the world and we are more often than not out in the world or around people. IDK the theory behind this but thought I would share with you what he once said as I found it interesting.IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted April 29, 2020 11:36 PM
The zodiacs are also constellations tho, is it not? IP: Logged |
Free Leon
Knowflake Posts: 311
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Apr 2015
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posted April 29, 2020 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I feel similar to you about this. IQ once said to me that sidereal is how you are when you are alone and by yourself and tropical is how you are when you interact with the world and we are more often than not out in the world or around people. IDK the theory behind this but thought I would share with you what he once said as I found it interesting.
That's an interesting take. However, this idea would nullify the common understanding of the bottom half of a natal chart corresponding to the Self in relative "isolation", and the top half of the chart corresponding to the Self within the context of the world at large (environment, both physical and social). I've used Tropical astrology to calculate a few hundred charts in the last 5 years and virtually everyone has expressed how accurate their natal chart readings were. I don't imagine that it would have been as accurate if I had used Sidereal. I don't want to disregard Sidereal, because it appears as though it does work for a number of people, but I'm having trouble understanding the mechanics behind what makes it work/valid. Oh well... IP: Logged |
Free Leon
Knowflake Posts: 311
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Apr 2015
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posted April 30, 2020 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
The zodiacs are also constellations tho, is it not?
My understanding is that the power of astrology is sourced from the planets/celestial bodies/the "gods". Back in the day all planets (with the exception of the Sun and Moon) appeared as the brightest "stars" in the night sky. They were more or less indistinguishable except for, again, the fact that the planets appeared brighter in the night sky than the actual stars outside of our solar system. This is significant and noteworthy because it can explain why there's a common misconception nowadays that astrology is based on all stars. In reality, astrology is based on one star (the Sun), the Moon, and the planets that were described as stars back in the day. The constellations do serve as markers for the transits of the planets, but I'm thinking Tropical astrology accounts for the concept that I mentioned in my original post i.e. the constellations are actually in a different location from where we perceive them to be, due to the time it takes for their light to reach us.
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anonymidarkness
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posted April 30, 2020 12:17 AM
^ If constellations are located bit differently, we can just rotate the zodiac wheel a bit no, to fit  IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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From: Portland, OR - USA
Registered: Oct 2011
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posted April 30, 2020 01:19 PM
I'm not a siderealist, but I'll try to answer what I can. quote:
Originally posted by Free Leon:
... These constellations are made up of stars that are many light years away ... Some of these stars have collapsed, gone supernova, and haven't physically existed for a long time... so what effect do they have? How does Sidereal work in light (no pun intended) of these facts?
Via light. It is irrelevant that their star bodies may have long gone. It is the light that matters. quote:
My (much more thorough) understanding of Tropical astrology is that it is based on the seasons ...
No. Tropical astrology is not based on the seasons. The tropical zodiac is a local zodiac based on the Sun's relationship with Earth, specifically the relationship of the ecliptic (Sun's path) to Earth's (celestial) equator. In other words, declination. If you don't include declination, which is the way the north-south movement of all bodies track in relation to Earth's (celestial) equator, then you'll never understand the tropical zodiac. http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/
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... and the gravitational influence of the celestial bodies in our solar system. We all feel/experience the effects of the seasons. Beyond that,the Sun is so massive that it has a gravitational influence strong enough to keep other planets orbiting around it, while the Moon is in close enough proximity to Earth that its gravity can pull on the ocean and create the tides. As humans we are made up of approximately 65% water; we are not exempt from the influence of these forces.
The tropical zodiac is a local one based on the Sun's influence in this solar system. The sidereal zodiac is a more cosmic system. Don't let their apparent differences lead you to believe it is an either/or, right/wrong dilemma. I reference the sidereal zodiac via raditional Indian (Vedic/Jyotish) astrology though I am a tropical astrologer. http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2019/06/22/loka-planets/ ------------------
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