posted May 04, 2020 06:22 PM            

Now, as most know, if one looks up "Mercury In The 3rd House", it will be praised as a stellar placement for academics. However, it's not the case for my sisters' friends. While would that be? He has both Mercury trine Saturn, and Mercury square Uranus. Both orbs are within 5 degrees.

posted May 04, 2020 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
My sisters friend, who has Pisces Mercury, in the 3rd House, couldn't keep-up with school. Therefore, he didn't go past his high school diploma. He didn't even bother trying, and my sister has once told me, how much he hates reading and writing.

Now, as most know, if one looks up "Mercury In The 3rd House", it will be praised as a stellar placement for academics. However, it's not the case for my sisters' friends. While would that be? He has both Mercury trine Saturn, and Mercury square Uranus. Both orbs are within 5 degrees.

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I have Pis Merc in 10th, and since I have Gem Asc it is also my ruler. It also squares my Uranus.

Since mainstream academia is based on a linear a-b-c kind of mental orienting, Pisces Merc hates it since it tend to perceive things 'at once', as a totality, and have real difficulties in structurally organizing its knowledge, which is really 'knowing' more than 'knowledge'. Its databank is an ocean more than anything else - things go in it and dissolve to become one with it.

The ideal academic Mercury in my view is Virgo. If you imagine data being material, you can see how easy it is to portion and organize Earth as a material, and how difficult it is to do the same with water. Having a Pisces Merc and attempting to treat it as Earth is essentially what the educational system demands of the Pisces Merc, but everytime we try to portion a segment it quickly falls back into the ocean of 'knowing': trying to maintain a structural order is incredibly energy-consuming, and requires some sort of vessel into which the data can be poured. Even so, that can be quite painful, because it almost feels like a violation to the ocean to portion it and divide it from itself.

Learning how to utilize this Mercury is learning how to utilize its capacity to flow - hence its connection with poetry and the arts - aking to what the Greeks called poiesis.

Ask a Pisces Merc something and - if you hit the right spot - a flow of information will ensue, like opening a dam.

So it is not really detrimental by default, but due to ow it relates to established structures: the fact that western society has not developed a way of structurally accepting its way of functioning or an efficient method to help the people with it to utilize it. Instead, they are left to their own devices to figure this out, and that can take a while.

posted May 07, 2020 09:31 AM            

I agree that Virgo Mercury is one of the best placements for high achievement academically. It really comes naturally to them.

I feel like I had to make twice the effort!
Mainly with law exams. That was the worst.

I found almost everything I studied very interesting...... but exams are not for me :\

The fact that I passed them is all God lol

posted May 07, 2020 11:45 AM            

What you've described with your sister's friend sounds much more like he's in some kind of depression or something interfering with his mental-emotional health rather than pointing directly to an astrological factor like Mercury being in Pisces.

Mercury in Pisces tends to be idealistic, keeping fuzzy edges around reality instead of bringing into sharp focus and critical analysis. There can be more an attitude of victim or pity taken on, but which allows them to easily (over-)sympathize with the plight of others. I don't know that it should be considered any more 'detrimental' than any other such placement. The important thing I think is to understand Mercury in Pisces is in a general mode of expression that is its least natural one (as opposed to Virgo, Gemini, Libra). It can be harder for the native to bring things into proper focus. The world blurs a bit too much with watercolor blendings as these natives may be seekers or searchers, but may not participate fully into the separation of things into material priorities, using well ordered thinking, or clear communication the way the Mercurial signs or air signs tend to do.

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posted May 07, 2020 07:02 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
His problem sounds more like an inherent Saturn/Jupiter issue

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
What you've described with your sister's friend sounds much more like he's in some kind of depression or something interfering with his mental-emotional health rather than pointing directly to an astrological factor like Mercury being in Pisces.

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I rather think the issues sound like mainly an immature utilizing of Mercury in hard aspect with Uranus??? Especially so since i figure Uranus very likely is in 12th house Sagittarius.

If you haven't gotten past your Saturn lessons, you likely haven't tapped into Uranus as a vehicle for your personal genius - hence Uranus is acting upon you more than you are acting through Uranus.

The non-appreciation of reading/writing and discontinuing school seems to me more based in the Uranian lashout at the symbols of learning of the overall institutions whose functioning neglects the Native's natural way of operating Mercurially: wanting it to behave more like Virgo. The lash-out is a Uranus/Mercury expression of the frustration of not fitting in, leading to a feeling of victimhood which trigger the lashout at the symbols of the perceived oppressor as the solution to free oneself from the felt violence of that immediate victimhood.

This lash-out is the immature expression of the Mercury-Uranus configuration prior to its maturation through learning from experiences by way of, first of all, passing the rings of Saturn and experiencing plenty of squaring situations to learn/grow from.

I don't think it is DUE to depression like Kannon propose.
I do think it can TRIGGER depression - and that this then is a part of the experience required for maturation of the natal Mercury in aspect with Saturn/Uranus.

posted May 07, 2020 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
Nomad that was beautifully written <3

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posted May 07, 2020 07:24 PM            

Monad is right that "linear a-b-c" doesn't work here. My learning is mnemonic - I think in pictures and make absurd word associations, so the traditional schooling system doesn't sit well with me.

Just like Odette, I have to multitask. If I'm time restricted, I have to pace the room and think out loud. It works for me and not the people around me, because I sound demon possessed.

And the daydreaming. Always. To the point that I had to be tested as a child for autism. Few years later, it was ADHD. Only because I decided to act on my daydreams. Good times.

Academically, I hold few degrees in Arts (cliche) and applied sciences, and picking up new skills or languages comes way too easy. Astrologically, I understand where my need for constant learning comes from but I'm not sure about the ease, cause it might be genetics.

I agree with Kannon that clear communication can be an issue. There are times when I can't properly articulate. I see and feel the thoughts and I'm already gone onto next interesting thing and there is that damn response rate. Thus, I've been wrongly perceived quite few times. Meh.

posted May 13, 2020 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by nomad-monad:
I have Pis Merc in 10th [...] It also squares my Uranus.

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You and me both. I have Pisces Mercury in 10th House, sextile Neptune/Uranus, trine Pluto, conjunct asteroid BML, square nodes, AND Chiron is in my 3rd House.

posted May 13, 2020 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
You and me both. I have Pisces Mercury in 10th House, sextile Neptune/Uranus, trine Pluto, conjunct asteroid BML, square nodes, AND Chiron is in my 3rd House.

This “kid” has issues with authority. Look at Saturn/Jupiter.

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Makes sense. But it's surely in tandem with the Mercury sq Uranus amped volatility to provide the final tip-over to decide "**** this im out", identifying with the 'eccentricity' of the act.

I have huge issues with authority as well - less volatile these days but... 10th Pisces Jupiter conj Sun in square-by-sign with 7th Sag Mars/Saturn opposite Gem Acendant/Chiron. Pluto in 6th Scorpio.

Many who have issues with authorities however ride it out. Merc sq Uranus not so much - they argue or leave.

posted May 13, 2020 09:30 PM            

I have both Mercury/Uranus square... and also Jupiter (Pisces) square Saturn (Sagittarius) - this is actually the closest aspect in my chart... but in my case, it hasn’t really played out as “problems with authority”. I like and have a lot of respect for most of the teachers I’ve had throughout the years, both in high school and at University.

What I have a problem with are things like.. governmental abuses of power, breaches of human rights, institutionalised corruption, organised religion (to an extent)... things that curtail personal freedom, without any real justification (or at least not one that makes sense in my mind)...

posted May 14, 2020 03:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
This is interesting.

I have both Mercury/Uranus square... and also Jupiter (Pisces) square Saturn (Sagittarius) - this is actually the closest aspect in my chart... but in my case, it hasn’t really played out as “problems with authority”. I like and have a lot of respect for most of the teachers I’ve had throughout the years, both in high school and at University.

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I am the same, actually - but the respect I have for them is not due to the emblem of institutional authority as much as it is for more experienced individuals. It's not so much individual teachers as the institutional ego that is the problem. The biggest problem I've had with teachers is when they refer to an institutional protocol that doesn't make logical sense vis-a-vis the individual circumstance, when I think there should be flexibility rather than rigidity - in these cases when teachers rest their arguments/demands on the institutional protocol, they relieve themselves of their individual free reasoning in favor of being a representative of the institutional ego: they become puppets themselves and they want puppets of their own.

posted May 14, 2020 04:07 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
I always felt i have to bite my tongue and deal with authorities and parents who are concerned with step 1 to 5 instead of the end results or any restrictions in how i think.

The walking away does happen if the authorities doesn't allow room for some kind of space to be inventive and exploring routes.

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posted June 30, 2020 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
Mercury in Taurus is right there with it.

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posted July 03, 2020 03:32 PM            

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Having a Pisces Merc and attempting to treat it as Earth is essentially what the educational system demands... So it is not really detrimental by default, but due to ow it relates to established structures: the fact that western society has not developed a way of structurally accepting its way of functioning or an efficient method to help the people with it to utilize it. Instead, they are left to their own devices to figure this out, and that can take a while.

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nomad, what brilliant insights all around! This is so true. I would add that Capricorn Mercuries are strong intellects too, even more than Virgo Mercuries. Virgo Mercuries seem to do better in school (maybe that day-to-day organization) while Capricorn Mercuries seem able to deconstruct and reconstruct the big picture and achieve mastery easily. At least IME.

The Pisces Mercuries I know are very reticent. I can't speak so much to their academic performance, but they are both careful and considered in how they communicate. Both very empathetic/great readers of other people. However, I'm thinking of very mature individuals so this may come with experience. There is definitely this element of processing, and the conversation moving too fast for them, because they perceive so much and are filtering through so much information before they form a response. And by then it's too late, the conversation has moved on. (My Aries Mercury really admires this and they help me slow down instead of blurting out whatever my first response is!) Both also are troubled by the things Odette mentioned, like the curtailing of personal freedom, abuses of power, and human rights.