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LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon
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posted May 09, 2020 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got lots of retrogrades in my natal chart, like six of them... Mercury, Mars, Neptune, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus. The only things I've got non-retrograde are Venus and Pluto. What does this mean?

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Mercury biquintile Uranus
Venus quintile Saturn
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CardinalT-Square
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posted May 09, 2020 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to know the answer to this question as well! To add food-for-thought, does a Stationary Retrograde/Direct planet still count as Retrograde? I have Jupiter Stationary-Retrograde, but it was already going backwards in Pisces, and Pluto was Stationary-Direct in Scorpio, but it was still going backwards for another day or two after I was born, so niether were truly Stationary.

I only have Venus as the only standard motion planet of the 9, pending Jupiter and Pluto.

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mirage29
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posted May 10, 2020 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi LeoSag.. and CardinalTSquare

Don't know if you own an astrological book called ephemeris?

There are pdf versions, and, paper books available.

Any student of astrology who's getting serious about the field needs to own some sets of books. Ephemeris is a table of where the planets are on any given day of the year, including the Centuries.

- http://www.amazon.com/American-Ephemeris-Century-2000-2100-Midnight/dp/0976242230

There's are versions you can buy.

I like the Michelsen Memorial Editions of Rique Pottenger's volumes of The New American Ephemeris.

When you open the book, he identifies the RETROGRADE planets using a light grey shading, or highlighting.

All of our planets are subject to retrograde motions except the SUN, and MOON.

Retrograde is an illusion. The planets all revolve around the sun, in a clockwise motion. When the earth reaches various positions, the continuous flow of the planets around the Sun can appear to move backwards to US, but what happens is that some planets move with faster, slower speeds than earth does. When the planets in their orbits reach a certain point, they 'appear' to move backwards (to us) as they round their orbit limit. Each planet follows a designated path. They 'appear' to go behind the SUN to us. Illusion.

So. To US, it looks like a pendulum swing in the sky. When a pendulum reaches a certain height, it looks suspended ("Stationed"), until it moves again. A planet that is "Stationed" finally appears to move again-- either forward or going backwards "Retrograde".

The planets still 'have a speed' that they move.

At the "Stations" … The planets seem to 'hold still'.

Think of using an Iron and Ironing Board.
Imagine moving your hot iron over a wrinkled shirt.
IF you stop moving the iron, or go very very slowly, the iron is 'HOTTER/heat more intense' on that patch of shirt.

A planet that is "Stationing" is more 'intense'. The energies are more concentrated. The planet stationing retrograde or forward in a degree will have more 'juice' for you to work with.

So to answer CardinalT's question, your stationed bodies (planets, asteroids) will have a stronger influence.

There are times during the year when there are a mix of retrogrades and direct (forward) planets.

If you have your ephemeris--
open to January 2020 (this year).

{note-- the NODES of the Moon usually move backwards, as a rule. Right now, North Node JUST entered Gemini at 29.59 degree. It will continue to move backwards in the numbering. Sometimes the calculated points (NODES) will have a kind of 'wobble' and appear to move forward, rather than their usual backwards motion. If you have the ephemeris I mentioned, you'll see the shading come on and off, as you look at the column of numbers/degrees. .. Columns (list each planet's degree-location) are up/down on the page; Rows (list of Days) are left/right on the page. .. So, you can kind of ignore the column for North Node {symbol looks like the horseshoe}.

January 2020 … URANUS.
Uranus was the only planet moving backwards retrograde in the sky.
2-degrees of Taurus.
.. Since Uranus is an outer-planet, it moves MUCH slower.
In December of 2019, in backwards retrograde motion, it reached 2-degrees of Taurus on Saturday, December 14 (2019). Stayed in that same degree until clicked forward/Direct on Saturday, January 11, 2020.
It STAYED in 2-degrees Taurus .. all throughout January, and into February. Sunday February 9, 2020, it moved to 3-degrees.

So, as a 'heated iron' Uranus concentrated and focused it's energies ON 2-degrees. If you had anything in your chart at 2+Taurus, like your Sun, Moon, Merc, or the rest, then you felt that influence especially strongly in your chart, whatever 'House' it was in.

For ALL the transiting planets--
There was no 'shading', no retrograde planet from January 11, 2020-- to Monday February 17, 2020. Every planet was Direct (forward motion).

Don't know if you've ever been in a backyard round swimming pool? .. As a child, I had one of those, and 3 brothers. We would get in the pool and everyone would start moving along the sides of the pool in ONE direction. .. We called it making a 'whirpool'. The power of the water, the speed, the force, was tremendous. If someone called out 'float!', we could 'rest' in the force of the water pushing us all same direction.

If ONE person decided to stop, and wanted to stand in the force of the water, it created 'resistance'.

The water-flow slowed down, and we didn't have that power in-motion anymore.

We could all decide to 'swim the other way'.. and eventually (in RETROGRADE), we 'changed the flow' of the water. The more retrograded the energy in the water, the more it flowed together and faster we went, RELATIVE to each other's body in the water current.


So! --- PLANETS.
In your natal chart-- if you have a retrograde that appeared, then that planet had decided to 'change the flow' … and relative to other planets around it.

A retrograde planet.. changes your approach to working with the energy of that planet. RETRO.. the power goes from the outside, to inward. {Like lungs, taking breath IN.}
Their energy works better for you when you go 'inside' first to work with the issues of life that it represents. It's more inward in its reflection inside of you. Introverted, extroverted energies.

Also.. you have to look at the sign the planet is in. Some planets are stronger in certain signs. ..e.g. Mars is strong in Aries, fire. Not as strong in water .. Cancer. It takes an adjusting to accommodate.

So, just as in the transits,
you were BORN during a 'transit day' for the earth.

Just like the planets in the ephemeris were ALL forward (for time stated in above paragraph), then a Child that was born during those calendar days would not have any retrograded planets on their chart wheels.

I know that in my own natal chart, the planets and asteroids from around 1-degree Libra are stationing, then moving retrograde (looking on the left side of chart wheel) ALL the way around .. MC is 2.30 Libra, Neptune Libra is retro, .. Scorpio 11 has Saturn retro, .. all through to Sag Ascendant.. Pallas Sag is retro.. all the way through H1 to H2 Capricorn.. Ceres Cap is retro.. then!, planets/asteroids got slower... some began stationing around 5+Aquarius ~ 10+Aquarius.

In LeoSag.. chart, HER retros are on the left side.

BTW this is called the Eastern side of [her] chart, as the ASCENDANT marks the place where the Sun first dawned with light on the horizon that day in your geog-area of your birth...
The place/degree/house your Sun is in, marks the time you took your first precious breath in the atmosphere of this earth.
{{?Graham?/others .. If I'm wrong, please correct? }}

LeoSag's SUN is Leo, at the beginning of her 8th House. .. She didn't give her time of birth, but seeing as her Sun is past the MC {high noon}, and was starting to go towards her Descendant late Gemini, which represents 'sunset' in the chart, her Sun says she took her first breath somewhere ~later afternoon. Snack time?! LOL

So, her planets are mostly in retrograde.

Looking at the ephemeris for the time you{LeoSag} were born, your mom would have probably conceived you during a time of NO retrogrades.
Then PLUTO began retrograde motion on Feb 8, the year your were in your mother's womb. By the time she was 6 months pregnant with you {going on normal carry/gestation} the planets in their orbital swing around to the other side of the Sun, began their retrogrades. The month you were born, PLUTO was newly "Station Direct" at 4-degrees Scorpio.
That would make Pluto extra strong in your chart, especially since Pluto is in his HOME sign of Scorpio-- ruler of sign of Scorpio.

The retrogrades stayed in your chart at birth until transits finished with their retrogrades (including Venus retro that year in mid-October. Retrograde Jupiter went Direct in November that year. By the time you became around 4 months old, all the planets were in direct motion, until Valentine's Day Feb around when you were 7 months old.

{{{By the way--
Happy Mother's Day out there! ..
Even if you haven't given human birth, you're a mom when you Care from The Heart, for someone and provide what is needed.
You're a mom when you keep an eye out for the safety and welfare of Children in your community and world of influence.}}}

Mars and Venus only retrograde around every 2 years.

For me, in my experience, if you have retrograde planet in your natal, and that planet in transit turns retrograde, I think there's something already 'familiar' to you with the 'feel' of that planet's energy.
Retrogrades should not be something to be afraid of, or worry about.

Just like on the beach ..
the tides go out, and come back in again.

You can adjust your self, your life activities and focus, as the planet-tides make different arrangements.

So, in general. A retrograde action flow, comes IN, filters inward, and you make decisions based on checking in with yourself first.

I HOPE I made sense??? haha
Have a Great Day!

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NO Whole Quotes.. while I proof-read,
and adjust info for clarity

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LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon
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posted May 10, 2020 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lovely, lovely Mirage! Hope you are healthy and happy during those tough times, I've been thinking of you and wondering if you were safe...

Everything you said is fascinating and your examples helped me a great deal to understand retrogrades.
I was born at snack time, 5.40 pm and according to Solar Fire software, Sun and Pluto are my chart rulers. I could fathom why the Sun is my chart ruler, but not Pluto...until you explained me why. It had very recently started to station direct after a retrograde period! I think my Saturn has too, I'd love if you could take a look at my chart (it's in the signature).

I am actually feeling the transit of Mercury retrograde, since it's a placement I was a tad worried about (my Mars retrograde worries me more... ) but upon reading what its effect were, I wasn't worried anymore because quick-witted I always was, so I don't know how could it manifest with me

Happy Mother's day to you, too!
Sending much love and light your way

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My natal chart with asteroids http://i.imgur.com/1IG2Im4.png

and without asteroids http://i.imgur.com/Tl0L7oL.png

Sappho biquintile Sun
Mercury biquintile Uranus
Venus quintile Saturn
MC quintile Neptune
Juno biquintile North Node
Vertex quintile MC

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mirage29
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posted May 10, 2020 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your greetings and feedback, LeoSag..

Yes, at birth, your Saturn in retrograde was holding still. It was retrograde stationed when you were born. It had been in 3-degrees for almost a month {while you were in the womb.}
.. By the time you were "one week old" {awwww *heart*}, Saturn's motion flipped 'direct'.. and it remained in 3-degrees for a good 6 weeks. Saturn entered the next degree (4-degrees Sag) on Thursday, September 11th, (of the year you were born).

Your Progressed Saturn would probably have changed motion to direct by now. If not, then very soon.

Thanks for telling me what your TOB was. That would have been "dinner time" instead of a snack for ME! Your sharing will help me estimate "time" better, in the future.

Your Mars retrograde is in 12+ Capricorn.
Mars "likes" Capricorn. Good sign for Mars. No problem there.

And, you have Mars in great aspect!
Is in an earth Grand Trine with your Moon Taurus 17+, and Venus Virgo 20+. He's got friends!

"Sun and Pluto are my chart rulers. I could fathom why the Sun is my chart ruler, but not Pluto..."

Well?, I don't know about it being your "chart" ruler, because that's based on the sign you have at your Ascendant.
You have the sign of "Sagittarius" on your Ascendant.
The ruler of Sagittarius is planet "Jupiter".
Therefore, JUPITER is your "chart" ruler.

Sun is Leo --
The ruler of the SIGN of LEO is "The Sun."
It's "Domicile."
Your natal Sun is IN the sign of its rulership.
Makes it "Happy."

Your natal Sun Leo is in the "Eighth House." H8.

Each HOUSE has a ruler and zodiac-sign assigned to it.
The natural zodiac sign of the 8th House is "Scorpio."

The (modern day) ruler of the sign of Scorpio is "Pluto."
(Before Pluto was discovered, the planet Mars traditionally ruled over the signs of both Scorpio, and Aries.)

So, your Sun is Leo in the 8th, which is Pluto Scorpio's natural House.

Your chart HAS Pluto in Scorpio.
You have a separating square aspect.
When the aspect is 'separating', the energy had peaked and starts to wane.
(resolved and growing weaker).

LEO is the natural zodiac sign for the 5th House.

Happy song for a LEO-Sag fire combination

(music) "Happy" (Pharrell Williams, Live Apollo{sun} Theater) [4:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx3CSwg-Jmc

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CardinalT-Square
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posted May 10, 2020 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mirage! That creates more questions than answer's😉🤔 Do you know how Stationary planets effect my Natal Chart overall vs. Retrograde and/or Standard Motion planets? As I mentioned in my original post, I only have Venus in Standard Motion at the moment I reincarnated, excluding Sun, Moon, and Earth, all the other planets are in Retrograde Motion except Jupiter and Pluto, which are both Stationary. Again Jupiter is Stationary-Retrograde, and Pluto is Stationary-Direct.

Jupiter is in Pisces my 10th House, which is in the opposite house of my Singleton Moon in Libra in my 4th House which is the apex of my T-Square. Pluto is in my 5th House in Scorpio. So if Jupiter and Pluto have more influence compared to my other Retrograde planets, how would they effect my career and love-life? And how would they impact my T-Square?

LeoSag, looking at your Natal Chart, your a fellow 86'er like myself, I'm only a couple weeks older than you, this thread will help us both😀

Thanks for all the info!

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mirage29
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posted May 10, 2020 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi CardinalT. I don't have a copy of your chart. Caught that you said you were born two weeks before LeoSag.. Have a Libra Moon.

You have a Cancer Sun. Is your Ascendant Cancer, or late Gemini?

You mention having Jupiter r Pisces in your 10th. Is the MC Pisces also, or Aquarius?

Jupiter Pisces opp Moon Libra
square __ Mars? or __ Sun?

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CardinalT-Square
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posted May 11, 2020 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My birth info is:

July 14th, 1986
Beloit, WI
4:45:14AM
Male

Don't forget to set your software to "Topocentric" Mirage or else my Moon will be way off.

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LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon
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posted May 11, 2020 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:
Thank you for your greetings and feedback, LeoSag..

Yes, at birth, your Saturn in retrograde was holding still. It was retrograde stationed when you were born. It had been in 3-degrees for almost a month {while you were in the womb.}
.. By the time you were "one week old" {awwww *heart*}, Saturn's motion flipped 'direct'.. and it remained in 3-degrees for a good 6 weeks. Saturn entered the next degree (4-degrees Sag) on Thursday, September 11th, (of the year you were born).

Your Progressed Saturn would probably have changed motion to direct by now. If not, then very soon.

Thanks for telling me what your TOB was. That would have been "dinner time" instead of a snack for ME! Your sharing will help me estimate "time" better, in the future.

Your Mars retrograde is in 12+ Capricorn.
Mars "likes" Capricorn. Good sign for Mars. No problem there.

And, you have Mars in great aspect!
Is in an earth Grand Trine with your Moon Taurus 17+, and Venus Virgo 20+. He's got friends!

"Sun and Pluto are my chart rulers. I could fathom why the Sun is my chart ruler, but not Pluto..."

Well?, I don't know about it being your "chart" ruler, because that's based on the sign you have at your Ascendant.
You have the sign of "Sagittarius" on your Ascendant.
The ruler of Sagittarius is planet "Jupiter".
Therefore, JUPITER is your "chart" ruler.

Sun is Leo --
The ruler of the SIGN of LEO is "The Sun."
It's "Domicile."
Your natal Sun is IN the sign of its rulership.
Makes it "Happy."

Your natal Sun Leo is in the "Eighth House." H8.

Each HOUSE has a ruler and zodiac-sign assigned to it.
The natural zodiac sign of the 8th House is "Scorpio."

The (modern day) ruler of the sign of Scorpio is "Pluto."
(Before Pluto was discovered, the planet Mars traditionally ruled over the signs of both Scorpio, and Aries.)

So, your Sun is Leo in the 8th, which is Pluto Scorpio's natural House.

Your chart HAS Pluto in Scorpio.
You have a separating square aspect.
When the aspect is 'separating', the energy had peaked and starts to wane.
(resolved and growing weaker).

LEO is the natural zodiac sign for the 5th House.

Happy song for a LEO-Sag fire combination

(music) "Happy" (Pharrell Williams, Live Apollo{sun} Theater) [4:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx3CSwg-Jmc


Thank you for this splendid report, Mirage! You were reassuring and nurturing as always.
I have some questions but now in this time zone is too late, and I am too tired, to shape the sentences as I would like to.
So for the moment I send you a big bear hug :*

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My natal chart with asteroids http://i.imgur.com/1IG2Im4.png

and without asteroids http://i.imgur.com/Tl0L7oL.png

Sappho biquintile Sun
Mercury biquintile Uranus
Venus quintile Saturn
MC quintile Neptune
Juno biquintile North Node
Vertex quintile MC

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