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Topic: My mother died when I was 21, can you see that n my natal chart?
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MilaBirkin
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From: Cordoba, Argentina
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted May 17, 2020 04:51 PM
  
I'm not asking for a personal reading, I just want to learn. I want to know how to see when someone lived an important event like losing a parent, so I give you an example. Synastry: my natal chart and that day, and my solar return of that year.
Exact day, exact time. When my mum died, there was a full moon and it was Mother's Day in the country where I live.[img]https://i.ibb.co/cwKLvn5/mdc.png[/img] [img]https://i.ibb.co/hYnwRsf/astro-32gw-c-2016517-74993-7256.png[/img]
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teasel
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posted May 17, 2020 09:35 PM
It looks like you lost your mother, several months before I lost mine, but I'm not sure. I lost mine July 24th, 2016. We're coming up on the fourth anniversary of her going into the hospital (that day, Uranus was exactly conjunct my Ceres, which is also conjunct my Chiron/Sun in Aries, in my 6th house). I think when she died, it was once again exactly conjunct my Ceres. Saturn had crossed her Sun and was conjunct my Neptune, as well. I'm not sure of any one link to a mother's death. I remember seeing Jupiter mentioned as appearing strong in death charts, because it denotes a freeing of the spirit, I guess. I see that Chiron was conjunct your Sun, and opposed your natal Chiron. The Moon was conjunct Uranus (Moon usually = Mother). Uranus square your Moon. Maybe someone else can tell you more.  IP: Logged |
MilaBirkin
Knowflake Posts: 1536
From: Cordoba, Argentina
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted May 19, 2020 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
It looks like you lost your mother, several months before I lost mine, but I'm not sure. I lost mine July 24th, 2016. We're coming up on the fourth anniversary of her going into the hospital (that day, Uranus was exactly conjunct my Ceres, which is also conjunct my Chiron/Sun in Aries, in my 6th house). I think when she died, it was once again exactly conjunct my Ceres. Saturn had crossed her Sun and was conjunct my Neptune, as well. I'm not sure of any one link to a mother's death. I remember seeing Jupiter mentioned as appearing strong in death charts, because it denotes a freeing of the spirit, I guess. I see that Chiron was conjunct your Sun, and opposed your natal Chiron. The Moon was conjunct Uranus (Moon usually = Mother). Uranus square your Moon. Maybe someone else can tell you more.
Same year, October 16, 2016. She had surgery on May 3, so we experienced something similar almost the same time. You helped me. Thanks for your reply! It seems that Uranus and Moon/Ceres may be important too. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted May 19, 2020 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by MilaBirkin:
Same year, October 16, 2016. She had surgery on May 3, so we experienced something similar almost the same time. You helped me. Thanks for your reply! It seems that Uranus and Moon/Ceres may be important too.
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Belage
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From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 19, 2020 10:33 PM
yep.I was looking for Neptune square or opposing the moon in your natal and it is there. This aspect usually symbolizes great loss of the mother figure. I am sorry for your loss at such a young age. ETA: I just noticed URanus is also opposite your moon. Did your mum die suddenly?
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MilaBirkin
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From: Cordoba, Argentina
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted May 19, 2020 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
yep.I was looking for Neptune square or opposing the moon in your natal and it is there. This aspect usually symbolizes great loss of the mother figure. I am sorry for your loss at such a young age. ETA: I just noticed URanus is also opposite your moon. Did your mum die suddenly?
Yes, it was like having a nice stable normal life(actually, I had dealt with depression and anxiety for many years, but months before everything about my mum happened I was feeling much better and I was starting to study, to have romantic dates, to go out more of the house to have fun , etc) and suddenly my mum starts going to the hospital often, a few months pass and she dies. I didn't expect that to happen in that way, out of nowhere.  Thank you. IP: Logged |
Seline
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posted May 20, 2020 01:23 AM
I knew the date of my Mom’s death for almost a whole year, thanks to one kind-hearted astrologer. She died two days before the “scheduled” date. My mother, not the astrologer. So, I had a long talk with them again and made a few notes. This is what they said, I hope it will help you.You look for the clues in the natal chart, transits to the natal chart and Solar Return. If you are still unsure, confirmation is seen via Solar Arc directions. The usual suspects are Mars (puts things into motion), Uranus (the trigger, warns of death at least once before the actual death), Pluto (the Undertaker), Saturn (gives the time frame), Mercury (representing the Brain/the death of brain), and Jupiter (The Divine calling back). When it comes to terminal illness or death resulting from any illness or medical procedure, Chiron (The Doctor) and Neptune (Hospitals and Medicinal drugs) must be looked at. The houses that are activated are 1st, 6th, 8th, 10th, 11th, 12th, as well as the IC/MC axis (in natal or Solar). They are activated at the same time, and/or their rulers are working together. I think that you should take all houses into consideration. The next step is to find the planets and aspects related to the parent. The mother is always represented by the Moon, the 10th house, and the planets in that house. If it's a day-time birth, then she is also represented by Venus. The father is represented by the Sun, the 4th house and the planets there. In the chart of married man, the father is represented by Saturn.
The parent can also be represented by one more planet, in a symbolic sense. My mother was literally my Saturn, because of the very karmic relationship we had. When you determine the combo representing the parent in question, which houses are active, where the house rulers are and what they do, you go to transits. Your mother is represented both by Moon and Venus. Uranus/Neptune opposition speaks about her illness and the nature of illness. That's in the 9th house Cap. Jupiter the natural ruler of 9th is in 8TH HOUSE Sag.
Jupiter is your FIRST trigger point, especially because it squares Sun/Saturn in Pisces in 11th and sextiles Venus/trines Mars (btw Mars can be literally interpreted as the knife while Venus is the physical body - surgery). Neptune is with Uranus (n. ruler of 11th) back in house of Jupiter and opposes your Moon. That completes one very important energy circuit. The SECOND trigger point is Pluto in 7th. It interferes with Jupiter's circuit and Squares Mercury. Mercury is in Saturn's house and under Uranus, and because it's natural ruler of 3rd house where the Moon is, it's important. The one that actually stops the heart is Uranus. The ******* . When it comes to Solar, always check IC first, for familial deaths. My brother had Pluto (literally meaning death in family), I had Saturn (I want to believe I successfully cleared karma with my Mother), and you had Jupiter - the main trigger in your natal.
What's interesting, my 6th house Saturn rules my natal Venus/Neptune conj. that opposes my Moon. Mother was sickly her whole life and ultimately (in true Saturn in 6th fashion - issues with lower back, pelvic bones) died from bone cancer. Brother's Pluto opposes his Moon and with few other aspects it describes mother perfectly. I won't comment more on Solar, I'm in love/hate relationship with it. They sometimes work, sometimes don't. And Solar Arc Directions are to me the Great Unknown. The astrologer claimed that the transits to the natal chart alone are more than enough to predict someone's death, if you have previously determined exactly which planets represent them in your natal chart. When all conditions are met, Uranus absolutely sets the date.
My mother died when tUranus hit my natal Mars for the second time. Mars trines Uranus/Saturn and squares Moon. It was under 1 deg conjunction. Transiting Mars was on Pluto, tPluto squared Mars, tNeptune on Mercury (medical coma), tChiron on Jupiter squaring Uranus/Saturn, tSun on Neptune. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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From: South Africa
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted May 20, 2020 11:20 AM
Solar arc Ven 29 Aqua arced to conj the Mc/Ic axis 18 degree Pisces at age 19/20.I suspect the Mc/Ic axis is to be adjusted back to 17 Degrees of Pisces/Virgo. Pisces represents wipeout,confusion and where things are lost/where they die (Scorpio too). Venus is feminine figures/energy. That's my take.💁🏿♂️ IP: Logged |
teasel
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 20, 2020 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Seline:
The one that actually stops the heart is Uranus. The ******* .
Your whole post was interesting, but this seems to be what happened with my mum. She was going downhill for a long time, and refused to see a doctor. She finally went in to get her hip checked, after a fall. It was broken. They said she needed surgery, ran tests overnight and into the following afternoon. She not only needed heart surgery, but also had an aortic aneurysm, so they had to be careful. She had the heart surgery the Monday after she went in (I didn't sleep for days), she had trouble the first night, but became stronger in the next two days. Ten days after the first surgery, she had hip surgery, but she had other problems, and wasn't recovering well from that. They wanted her to improve a certain amount, before having the aneurysm surgery, and she didn't make it that far. It killed her, just as we were starting to relax a bit. I knew I should have gone to the hospital that evening, but dad insisted on dropping me off, because the dogs had been alone all day. I called him to say that I should be there, hoping he would come back to get me, but he didn't. She died about an hour after he left for the night. I used to like Uranus transits, but that one killed the love. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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From: Portland, OR - USA
Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 20, 2020 03:28 PM
The only way that is seen by looking just at the natal chart is if the astrologer is looking at the direction and general speed of planetary transits or progressions of natal factors that show that possibility. That possibility only really shows for indications that it could be an early life loss before a parent has finished raising you to the point you can stand on your own. You were 21.I'm sorry you lost your mother even then. I know it must have been sudden and unexpected, given the transit of Uranus square natal Moon you were undergoing, as well as Uranus square natal Neptune. And that highlights the natal opposition between Moon & Uranus-Neptune, which is a factor related to mother, home life, security, unexpected developments, changing moods, etc. The transit of Uranus square natal Moon is generally a period of two years or so that involves sudden changes of mood and family relations; square to natal Neptune, a confusing time in which there can be a mental influx of many possible developments, changes to ideals and concepts about life and the metaphysical implications of many things. In addition, Pluto was in transit quincunx natal Mars in your 4th house. That marks the possibility of violence or a sudden crisis of a physical nature to the leading energy in your family/private life. Saturn was contra-parallel natal Mars. So that was an added 'stress' factor to that natal 4th house factor. So these kinds of transits (leading to/after the event itself) are what matter, not a solar return that happened 5 months prior. In the progressions there is something like a planetary metric, which is prog Jupiter (8th) <15°> prog Pluto (7th), orb=0°01'. ------------------
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